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:)

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I suppose it is true then...success does breed contempt.

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Yea...thanks to the Shoes team orders. Capps and Johnson smoke the tires against Hagen...what are the odds???

Too bad we never get back to fields of 16 independently owned cars.

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Rich. & Doug are correct.

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Funny, Force is probably one of the most approachable pro drivers in the sport. The guy has never what it was like to be poor, from his childhood to his years struggling to make it in drag racing.

It's sad how it has become so "fashionable" to dislike a guy like Force.

Even funnier is the joy some seem to see from Schumacher doing everything possible to buy the funny car championship, right up to his attempt to buy Force's entire crew out from under him during the final run to the championship.

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In the broadcast on ESPN Mike Dunn pretty much said Capps and TJ took dives. What a hollow victory and I lost what little bit of respect I had for the Schumacher bunch. Wonder if all the Chinese and Mexican workers in Schumacher's plants will get the day off to celebrate? Yea, right.

Just makes Erica's and Jason's battle that much better, too bad Pro Stock is on the ropes.

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And, when they "go up in smoke", the crew chief took a dive. The driver can't do much about it. They had to be sick about looking like that.

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What all happened ? I'm confused

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They were on opposite sides of the ladder, If both of them made it to the finals, Hagan wins because he had a 23 point lead. He ran team mates in the second and third rounds who both smoked the tires after making great runs the round before. Just seems like a way of guaranteeing him the championship
chuck

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I Would Rather Force Win Then Shoebox!! He Had His Team Members Take A Dive. Last Race When Force Had To Race Robert His Team Member They Raced For It And Man What A Race.

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So pretty much Hagen had the championship handed to him

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A couple years ago Force did all the same things to Get Robert Height into the countdown. Like it or not as long as there are two huge teams with multiple cars in the same class this will keep happening.

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You beat me to it. What would have happened if the roles were reversed and Force would have ran Robert or his daughter in round one? Do you think it would have been any different?

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Very well said

Kevin

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:rolleyes::rolleyes: Mega Team slogan - - DIVE, DIVE, DIVE. At least, if it's going to happen, make it not look so obvious. I know track conditions change from round to round, but if a car is flying in earlier rounds, instant smoke - come on!!!

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After all John Force has done promoting NHRA racing for all I don't think people should condemn him too much. He started with nothing, worked his butt off promoting himself and NHRA and has created an organization that employs many with lot's of hard work at times straining his personal life.

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Did TJ have lane choice and pick the slick side or am I remembering it wrong?

Some folks hate Force for his mouth but he serves to keep FC interesting.

Dale

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Manzo still numer 1

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correct, Mike Dunn doing the ESPN broadcast commented on that and didn't pull any punches...since he paid his dues "old school" I'm sure he couldn't stomach the way DSR essentially bought the championship.

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Sure is funny is when all the John Force Fans thought that move back then was just fine.If I recall Robert Height went on to win the championship.LOL

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Don’t get me wrong I have nothing against John Force I had the privilege to chat with him in Brainard once. When he was just the old truck driver. I was a huge John Force Fan but have grown tired of the Force Racing association that used to be the NHRA, He has done a lot for the sport. But so has Don Schumacher. Neither one should get a free pass. I would much rather see Wilkerson win than anyone he still does it all. The only point I was making is that it has gone both ways.

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I'm not sure how much of the John Force hatred has to do with his success. Otherwise, we'd see the same level of hatred towards Tony Schumacher, Anderson & Line, Jeg Coughlin, etc.

I loved John Force as a kid when he was having those epic battles with Cruz Pedregon and Al Hoffman, but over the years the traveling circus act (including the scooter rides up and down the return road, etc.) has worn a bit thin. I'd imagine most of the Force haters feel the same way.

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Team diving happens in the Sportsman classes too with random no shows by your sponsor in the first round,contributing to a 2014 World Championship.

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I remember all the controversy from 2013. I hadn't heard that there were any issues this year. Is there a thread on it?

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Team diving is alive & well in the Sportsman classes--This phenomonen is not restricted to the PRO classes--- 3 very active sportsman teams immediately come to mind---we all know who they are---there are other teams just not as well known as these 3 are, that in a few instances have been doing diving in the last several seasons.
If the team has a clear understanding and total agreement about when one or the other driver will not " give it his best effort" for the overall good of the team they may think it's OK....Personally we "let er rip" at all times if as team mates we meet in eliminations. I do not like drivers diving but we all know it happens...Some are more flagrant than others while others are quite subtle in their approach... FED 387

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Yep. I saw Force interviewed live on ESPN a couple days after that race. Guy flat out asked him yes or no if he took a dive for Robert. Force almost swallowed his tongue, and never did answer the question.

Wonder how many championships Force would have if all his team cars hadn't taken the plunge for him?

That's a big reason you have multiple cars.At that level racing isn't a sport, it's a business, and business is business.

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You have got to give some respect to Force...he made a name for himself and a fortune.....DRAG RACING, the same can't be said about the "businessmen" that drag race just because they can.

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Wonder how many championships Force would have if all his team cars hadn't taken the plunge for him?QUOTE]

He won 5 of his championships BEFORE he had any team cars, and he only had 1 team car for at least a couple more. I think the hate has gone WAY too far on Force.
Most people try to find a reason to hate anyone these days it seems, which is really sad. I'm not necessarily a Force fan, I just love the sport and like it or not...he is one of the legends.

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[quote=Ellis V. Buth;453392]I too love the sport of Drag Racing. It is probably the only "vice" I have at this point in life. Don Shumacher and John Force are both legends in this sport and deserve appreciation and respect for what they have accomplished. As for the diving, remember that Shumacher still have sponsors that want him to win championships. Force wanted to win for his sponsors just as bad for a parting gift. Millions of dollars in endorsements and advertising are at stake. It is a lot easier to get the check when you are the Champion.

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I am not a big Top Fool fan but I can relate a story about John Force being a top notch stand up guy.
I have a close friend who has has a Downs Syndrome daughter.
She has the capability of about a 12 to 13 year old and will never be any better.
My friend and I went to the Topeka National Event every year since the Topeka track opened in 1989 and took our kids and we both raced the event.
The friends daughter Leah loved John Force and would go and stand at the pit line to get his autograph every year. My kids would always go with her and keep up with her in the crowds. After a year or two John knew Leah by name and would then take her and my kids back into the hauler and give Leah a tee shirt or hat with his autograph. My kids usually received something less of which they were very happy. That happened for several years until sometime in the 1990's when John won Funny Car there. Leah had to go to the winners circle and watch John get his trophy. Once the pictures were taken John took the Medal off (when they still gave the medals on the big ribbons) and walked over to Leah and hung it around her neck.
Leah became even a bigger fan after that.
I also watched John do the same thing to a kid in a wheel chair a few years later.
I may not be a big Fan of John's racing but I am a fan of the Man for what he does for kids with disadvantages of all types.
He has my Respect.....
Just My 2 Cents
Rick Cates

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If the fuel cars went away for good , I'd be the last guy on the planet to miss em.

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No, I would be the lady guy. LOL

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John Force and his daughters have done so much for this sport how could you say anything bad about him.Is he a great racer yes Is he a good family man yes is he a good businessman Yes Is he the best known dragracer to the public at large yes What am I missing here ? I know the jealousy factor that is all it is.When someone is climbing the ladder everybody is cheering until they get to the top then they all want to see the fall.Well I dont think that man or his daughters will fall and we as racers and race fans should do nothing but applaud all they have done.My 11 year old daughter all on her own with no discussion in our pitts picked out a Force racing jacket in the NHRA store and if she gets it about the Force family maybe others should too. And of all the superstock and stock racing that I and my wife Paula have done we have never met them but we sure appreciate what they do for our sport.

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John is a good guy. I just don't care for any of the fuel cars.

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The reason some people are tired of John Force is that any of the TV coverage we see of the events has way too much about the Force clan. He is a good personality but there are way more stories to the race than what they have going on. Out of the funny car guys he is my favorite. I am not a big fan of the fuelers or floppers nitro or alcohol.

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I just like him because he works hard at it, never giving up and you can tell he really enjoys it. We should all be so fortunate.

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Ed!

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Still need to watch spell check on my phone. LOL Was supposed to say "last guy".

You think I've been hanging around with Kyle again, don't ya?

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Whew! What a relief Ed, thought you were saying you were "coming out" if they eliminated Top Fuel. On the plus side though, Obama would give a press conference praising your courage and what a credit you are to the sport and country (which you are anyway of course).