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Jim Bailey 10-30-2014 11:31 AM

Alum Radiators for stockers ....2015
 
Does anyone know of a vendor(s) that makes custom Alum Radiators that are the same size and look just like stock ones ? - JB -

Myron Piatek 10-30-2014 11:55 AM

Re: Alum Radiators for stockers ....2015
 
I use to run an aluminum radiator from Griffin that had the upper & lower tanks stamped similar to the later "squarish" style OEM. They call them "Exact Fit". Not sure if that includes the older style "rounded" tanks.

After a little research, I guess they do!
http://www.griffinrad.com/load_detai...key_id=5-70024

Jim Bailey 10-30-2014 12:05 PM

Re: Alum Radiators for stockers ....2015
 
Thanks Myron!

HandOverFist 10-30-2014 12:08 PM

Re: Alum Radiators for stockers ....2015
 
My bet is as long as the replacement has roughly the same dimensions it will fly. Good deal as the latest Mustang build will need a replacement anyway, but not sure of any great value as the factory piece is already plastic/aluminum....$79 at Autozone to boot.

Myron Piatek 10-30-2014 12:14 PM

Re: Alum Radiators for stockers ....2015
 
Glad to help, Jim. I don't know if there are any other manufacturers that have the OEM style tanks.

I am hoping that the more common and less expensive "box" style tanks will be legal for everyone. The overall style and configuration remains the same.

HandOverFist 10-30-2014 12:19 PM

Re: Alum Radiators for stockers ....2015
 
Like I'm going to run out and buy one of these for the Camaro lol... http://www.jegs.com/i/Be-Cool-Radiat...61#moreDetails

A little more sensible... http://www.jegs.com/i/Champion+Cooli...CC370/10002/-1

ALMACK 10-30-2014 12:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HandOverFist (Post 451366)
My bet is as long as the replacement has roughly the same dimensions it will fly. Good deal as the latest Mustang build will need a replacement anyway, but not sure of any great value as the factory piece is already plastic/aluminum....$79 at Autozone to boot.

I bought one of those $ 80.00 replacement radiators at AZ and they are super light.
They are super flimsy as well, ( soft aluminum) but the one core design does a good job of cooling the 302 with the A/C on.

HandOverFist 10-30-2014 12:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ALMACK (Post 451377)
I bought one of those $ 80.00 replacement radiators at AZ and they are super light.
They are super flimsy as well, ( soft aluminum) but the one core design does a good job of cooling the 302 with the A/C on.

Kind of what I figured. Ought to work well in the O/SA build. :)

Dan Walcott 10-30-2014 02:48 PM

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Jim, check manciniracing.com, they have alum. radiators that look OE. its about time,cost is the same,but easier to have the alum ones worked on.

Tom Moock 10-30-2014 07:33 PM

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Discount Auto Radiators,has all aluminum replacement radiators for 1980 Malibu 1core $153.85, 2 core 179.99 or aluminum with plastic side tanks like newer chevy trucks $95.31 888-279-9895> Tom

Alan Roehrich 10-30-2014 07:45 PM

Re: Alum Radiators for stockers ....2015
 
I've had good luck with Northern Radiator. They also have really nice kits with cooling fans, mounted on shrouds, with relays, that fit the radiator and the vehicle.

Run to Rund 10-30-2014 10:16 PM

Re: Alum Radiators for stockers ....2015
 
You might also check radiatorbarn.com
I have bought both copper and aluminum/plastic radiators from them with good results. Their one core aluminum cools better than the 3 core copper!

Jim Bailey 10-31-2014 10:48 AM

Re: Alum Radiators for stockers ....2015
 
Thanks guys for all the great input and leads! I just didn't want to run out and purchase a double whammy, throwdown, aftermarket, fabricated alum tank radiator, only to have an inspector tell me that it isn't " stock appearing". Plus I'm a little partial to having my car look correct. Thanks again. - JB -

Aubrey N Bruneau 10-31-2014 12:19 PM

Re: Alum Radiators for stockers ....2015
 
Looks like I'll be putting my beater back together very soon. Will help to lose a few pounds from out on the front end. I don't think there will be a generic part for mine, but I'll come up with something.

Mike Taylor 3601 10-31-2014 06:06 PM

Re: Alum Radiators for stockers ....2015
 
A couple years ago was checking on radiators,they could get me all aluminum,the tanks looked like the tanks on copper/brass radiators,still had the grooves that stiffen them core looked like copper/brass core,looked identical except the tanks and core were welded together,if was'nt for the welds could have painted it black and passed it off as copper/brass radiator, was $80-100
I guess now would be legal
Mike Taylor 3601

brent flynn 12-10-2014 09:00 PM

Re: Alum Radiators for stockers ....2015
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HandOverFist (Post 451370)
Like I'm going to run out and buy one of these for the Camaro lol... http://www.jegs.com/i/Be-Cool-Radiat...61#moreDetails

A little more sensible... http://www.jegs.com/i/Champion+Cooli...CC370/10002/-1

What is the actual rule? I was thinkin of something like this...would have to fab bottom brackets, and the top one, could be hid under the shroud bracket. It would be somewhat lighter than the champion 3 row, you mentioned above... what's your thoughts?

http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS-Performan...oductId=752961

HandOverFist 12-10-2014 11:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by brent flynn (Post 454965)
What is the actual rule? I was thinkin of something like this...would have to fab bottom brackets, and the top one, could be hid under the shroud bracket. It would be somewhat lighter than the champion 3 row, you mentioned above... what's your thoughts?

http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS-Performan...oductId=752961


Myself I would prefer not to do any fabricating...I would probably burn holes in it lol. Ran across this all aluminum unit on ebay for the Mustang which came with two fans/mounting hardware, cap and drain petcock for $149 shipped...I couldn't resist. It isn't flimsy in the least.


http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/q...psb16be29b.jpg

Don Anderson 12-10-2014 11:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HandOverFist (Post 451378)
Kind of what I figured. Ought to work well in the O/SA build. :)

Works great!! Cools better than the two core OEM one.


Don Anderson
M/S #5891

Steve Hagberg 12-11-2014 12:20 PM

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Jim: Try Classic Industries part number MB2353A. It's nearly identical to the correct radiator for the '64-'65 Hemi cars. I have one in my '64 Plymouth now. I believe it's made by US Radiator.
Steve

GTX JOHN 12-11-2014 03:44 PM

Re: Alum Radiators for stockers ....2015
 
I wonder if we can put a cross flow radiator in instead of stock up and down flow?

I understand they are more efficient..........Anyone have an opinion?

V M Kauffman 12-11-2014 04:07 PM

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Ford had Alum rads as standard in the 66 FX Mustangs and Comets. I saw one in the Super Stock Magazine Maverick back in 1975.

Jim Bailey 12-11-2014 04:35 PM

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I just don't like the wording of the rule. Maybe Travis, or a Tech Official in the know, will clarify this for us. - Does my Alum Radiator have to" LOOK" like the original? - Or can I use "ANY" Alum Radiator, as long as its the same size and mounting as the original? I don't wanna show up a a race with my fabricated Alum, Keep Cool, style Radiator - that's the same stock size and mounting in my car only to be told I'm not legal. Additionally, factory look-a-like Alum Radiators are available... Is this what we have to use? - And will all tech officials make the same call? The factory Look-a-Likes weigh within a pound or two of my original ! The fabricated Alum radiators are quite lighter. What's the real rule? - Jim -

brent flynn 12-11-2014 10:38 PM

Re: Alum Radiators for stockers ....2015
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HandOverFist (Post 454978)
Myself I would prefer not to do any fabricating...I would probably burn holes in it lol. Ran across this all aluminum unit on ebay for the Mustang which came with two fans/mounting hardware, cap and drain petcock for $149 shipped...I couldn't resist. It isn't flimsy in the least.


http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/q...psb16be29b.jpg

I dont wanna fab anything either...but , i bet the factory appearing one is heavier... If im goin aluminum, i want it to be light as possible...hehe

HandOverFist 12-12-2014 12:29 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by brent flynn (Post 455043)
I dont wanna fab anything either...but , i bet the factory appearing one is heavier... If im goin aluminum, i want it to be light as possible...hehe

I'll weigh the stock vs the new radiator tm and let you know the difference.

OLD INJUN 12-12-2014 09:45 AM

Re: Alum Radiators for stockers ....2015
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aubrey N Bruneau (Post 451557)
Looks like I'll be putting my beater back together very soon. Will help to lose a few pounds from out on the front end. I don't think there will be a generic part for mine, but I'll come up with something.

Show cars in New Ulm Mn has one for your car.

Jerry Davis 12-12-2014 10:49 AM

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I bought a "Radiator Classic" aluminum radiator for my Plymouth Duster, it looks very much like the one I had and is 7 pounds lighter. There in Houston somewhere.
I bought it off Ebay and it cost $128.51 including shipping.

Jim Bailey 12-12-2014 11:02 AM

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AND THE QUESTION STILL REMAINS ----- can you use any Alum radiator ? Or must it LOOK like the original factory installed radiator?

Jim Bailey 12-12-2014 11:30 AM

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2 Attachment(s)
Pick the "Legal Radiator" ... or can we run either ? The one on the left "LOOKS" stock, the one on the right has a Fabricated Square Tanks ....Both are the same size and mounting.

Travis Miller 12-12-2014 12:07 PM

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According to Bruce Bachelder, it does not have to be an exact replacement. A cross flow can even replace a top tank or it can be the other way around.

This new rule is about NHRA allowing Stock racers to use an aluminum radiator to replace the hard or impossible to find OEM one. It is not about who can push the rule by installing the smallest aluminum radiator that can be found. That would just raise a red flag for us to take a harder look at the entire car.

Bob Mulry 12-12-2014 01:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HandOverFist (Post 455053)
I'll weigh the stock vs the new radiator tm and let you know the difference.

If you want your information to accurate just plug the bottom hose connection, fill them with water and after that you can weigh them..

Some radiators will hold more water.....at 8 pounds per gallon!!!!



Bob

Terry Knott 12-12-2014 02:51 PM

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For what it's worth.......when I had the crate motor in my car my aluminum radiator filled with water weighed 1.5 lbs. less than my stock 340 radiator filled with water. PLUS.......my stock radiator cooled much better.

HandOverFist 12-12-2014 08:53 PM

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Brent - I weighed both radiators today and was surprised...the factory one is 14 pounds and the new one is 11 pounds.

Dwight Southerland 12-12-2014 11:47 PM

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And remember that the water will add a lot of weight (1 lb/pint).

brent flynn 12-12-2014 11:54 PM

Re: Alum Radiators for stockers ....2015
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HandOverFist (Post 455053)
I'll weigh the stock vs the new radiator tm and let you know the difference.

Great! Im runnin a 4 row right now(brass)...so its pretty dang heavy...and runnin more liquid than i need...

brent flynn 12-12-2014 11:56 PM

Re: Alum Radiators for stockers ....2015
 
[QUOTE=HandOverFist;455119]Brent - I weighed both radiators today and was surprised...the factory one is 14 pounds and the new one is 11 pounds.[/QUOTe

Were you running a 3 row? or 4 row? before you changed to alum...

Was this the camaro radiator that you weighed?

brent flynn 12-13-2014 12:02 AM

Re: Alum Radiators for stockers ....2015
 
[QUOTE=Travis Miller;455084]According to Bruce Bachelder, it does not have to be an exact replacement. A cross flow can even replace a top tank or it can be the other way around.

This new rule is about NHRA allowing Stock racers to use an aluminum radiator to replace the hard or impossible to find OEM one. It is not about who can push the rule by installing the smallest aluminum radiator that can be found. That would just raise a red flag for us to take a harder look at the entire car.[/QUote

I wonder if any bracket fabbing is allowed?

HandOverFist 12-13-2014 04:40 AM

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[quote=brent flynn;455134]
Quote:

Originally Posted by HandOverFist (Post 455119)
Brent - I weighed both radiators today and was surprised...the factory one is 14 pounds and the new one is 11 pounds.[/QUOTe

Were you running a 3 row? or 4 row? before you changed to alum...

Was this the camaro radiator that you weighed?

This was the Mustang radiator Brent. Not certain what was factory for these cars in 1990, but this replacement is a 3-row. The Camaro radiator is in great shape and I'll never change it unless it develops problems.

http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/q...psb16be29b.jpg

Here's one that should bolt right in your car Brent with no mods... http://www.ebay.com/itm/271450398612...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Mike Savelle 12-13-2014 08:54 AM

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you do know that the hoses are reversed on a Ford , might make it hard to install in the Camaro..

ken robinson 12-13-2014 12:33 PM

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Is there a big price differance between champion and be cool radiators . Never really looked at any of them in the bracket cars when in the lanes , is there a quality issue where .I like the champion small 3/4 core 2 row . For the camaro

HandOverFist 12-13-2014 09:52 PM

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Here it is in the '90 Mustang...fits fine even with the tweaked radiator support.

http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps93df6b94.jpg


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