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Why not? The shootout cars are being excluded. Why not treat Indy like an Open so that all can qualify (or try to qualify) with the same rules. If that is not to your liking, lets use half of it. Keep the 1.20 instant and get rid of the 1.00-under triggers for this race.

Indy is usually pretty slow but what if its not this year? What if the bump is .90-under or better? It may take triggering a combination to get in the show. What do we think?

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Be careful what you wish for, it might come true.If you exclude Indy, might as well get rid of it altogether. Who will be the first F/SA car to run in the 9's?

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I agree with you Mike. Indy is the "BIG SHOW" so let the racers put on a Big Show and let it all hang out. The few times I've been to Indy, I've seen to many games played that insult the integrity of the sport. Sandbagging big time, and racers fouling in class finals so as not to be invited to the barn. My two cents worth.

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Let um rip!

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I agree no AHFS at Indy. I believe the reason most us built these cars is to see how fast we can make them. Not that I can go 1.00 under at Indy.....because I can't. The fast cars are going to get in if they want anyhow. Give us at least 1 race to have some "fun" at....the mecca of Stock/Super Stock....INDY! Although, I think they should do the same at all the Sports Nationals as well. I put on youth baseball tournaments for a living and we have to do things to entice teams to play with us. Like double/triple points, special awards ect. This would "entice" us to go to the Sports Nationals especially out here in the west where we don't draw that many cars for that event.

Thanks, Eric Bell

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I'm with Eric!

Except, I would not be able to help Dennis get some hp. LOL

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I've said all along this about Indy, "Let the Big Dog's eat"
It's Indy, you seen what happened at the Northern Class Nationals, lets see more

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Maybe NHRA is seeking the truth!

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And I would be ok with that, LOL.

Dennis

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If you're gonna let 'em all rip, tear 'em all down! lol

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Your thinking I would get some too! LOL

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I think stock eliminator should be all treated in the same manner. To let the factory showdown cars qualify without the AHFS and the other 140 cars have to use it is two sets of standards for the same class. We should all race under the same rules at the same event. That being said, I am all for it either way and think it is a slap in the face to the non factory showdown cars. I was told back in April they were considering letting all of stock race without the AHFS in play at Indy as a test, but it looks like that's been squashed.

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How about this idea. No AHFS, but ALL cars must meet weight minimum (or above) for class claimed and ALL cars must go through fuel check. This way all cars are technically legal, but can run them out the back door, no 1000 ft. dumps. If this is allowed you might see a 1.00 under cut for stock. No telling where no. 1 might be - 2.00 under.

I know this idea is pretty wild, but ????

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I'm in at the least turn it off for class elms. I could give a crap about the et race sunday and monday break out the shoe polish.

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Class alone would be cool. I can tell you are as big a fan of bracket racing and shoe polish as I. Think it's the gray hair? LOL

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I agree!

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Numerous people have proposed this (including yours truly) before the new cars even existed and NHRA has not agreed yet. I support most on this thread and let the cars run. Just Indy was the usual request and that could add another dimension to Indy for Stock and Super Stock. I think we keep beating on them and maybe we will get it. There would be some pitfalls, but nothing is perfect. F/SA in the 9's? Who knows.

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Just trying to share the HP Ed.

Dennis

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Class elimination runs should not count. If the Factory cars can run as fast as they can without AFIS, than all cars should run under the same rules. You know nhra monitors what being said on Class Racer. What do you have to loose NHRA?

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I think this could work: The factory showdown is a race within a race without any AHFS. If and when the factory showdown cars decide to run in the eliminator, then the qualifying time is part of the ''Q data'' and all runs made in eliminations is part of the ''E data''.

Adjustments if necessary will be by the rules of the AHFS.

The SS/AH cars have a separate race and yet their runs all count for AHFS.

That way all factory showdown can have fun at their race, and feel a little sting if they run the eliminator just like the rest of us mere mortals!

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Maybe they cannot handle the truth ! lol:eek:

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I believe this is very possible...

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Larry, for a big guy, you're pretty smart! - JB-

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I think that the reason the shootout cars are excluded from AHFS is because the class as a whole is not factored on HP, its a combo with a minumum weight for that combo, doesn't matter what brand car it is. The AHFS is all about specific engine combo's and their HP ratings to a specific class with minumum and maximum weights for that class.
Chuck

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INDY should be AHFS free for all Stk and SS

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Of course, the new cars will kill us in class and heads-ups.

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Reason why no AHFS is these car would be FACTORED OUT OF STOCK..
Money$ talks the rest of us have to deal with it..DAM spent mine $ on a stupid Nova

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James tell the guy on the other thread about winning class with a slower car, pulling a piston, getting the trophy, class winner picture, AND racing for the big win at INDY!

I had the best seat in the house to see how happy the E/SA class winner was.

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Larry you are the best!!. I did feel bad ...for you .But got over it real fast.!.
Ya I got the full Indy examination..what about my Best Bro Joe Lisa .It was his brand new motor we had to pull apart..I believe that was the last year for class winners getting in..Hope to see you at THE SHOW...Hope to GET LUCKY AGAIN

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I would love to see all our S/SS reps contact NHRA about letting Indy be a AHFS free race for everyone. It would be the best Indy ever!!! Lets face it no AHFS will not change qualifying. The fast cars are going to get in no matter what. James are you going to push down on the gas peddle at Indy. I would like to see how fast that thing can go. Barry

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I'm not asking for "No AHFS at INDY"..... here's why>>>

(SS only) - It's one of the only races that some underfactored cars have to go fast to try and win class.
With the qualifying games that many play, the AHFS system is very slow to adjust these "soft combos". It would be a shame to give all of these combos a pass and let them cut it loose for free.

With all of this said, it very unfair for the stockers to have to play to two different sets of rules. This is not right.

But don't give these soft combos in SS another free pass.

JUST MY OPINION.

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I have to agree with Tom on this one, sure i like going fast, it might be a mine shaft there, but don't think so, looking at Bowling Green this weekend for the Combo race 80's /90's, more then likely be Indy weather, now get a carb car to run in that S"^t, Now with that great big air compressor on them new cars, it does hurt them as much, i know i'am a couple of tenths behind them, but i sure will try to run with them, FI cars are about in the same area FAST, i agree bump up the trigger point to 1.10 or 1.15 for this race only, but 1.20 get the wt bars out Monday morning, or new class letters, this is for SS cars, but stock is just as fast, let Ficacci turn that Mustang loose and watch the score boards. that's fast, anyway it should be a good race with all these cars, lets be safe and have fun. PS i heard the ford dealers out there are stocking up on Gaskets LOL just kidding see ya all there. Brian

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AHFS is the only thing which can help NHRA factor without having to explain to the factories WHY? If anything it needs to be tighter because the gap in ratings from older carb cars factored for years by a pencil not an AHFS is hard to correct....

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Brian, I agree with you 100% but the issue at Indy is that in Stock Eliminator we aren't all playing by the same rules when it comes to qualifying. In the grand scheme of things I think we should implement qualifying/records point systems to help the AHFS work faster.

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Tom, you are spot on. I have to agree, that numerous normally higher qualifieds have been saving it for Indy. Will they be willing to give some of it up? I think so, it's Indy. Do they need horsepower to bring them into perspective? Yes, we all know the rules and we still participate.

Do we think for one minute that competitors are doing it for the contingency money? lol! Wally? I would have to go with bragging rights.

I understand these guys in the stands and behind the computer, even NHRA don't want to see 1000 footers, but leave AHFS in place. It is the only leveling mechanism we have against new production factory hp ratings and cubic dollar$. It should be for all stock and superstock and not protected under some factory showcase.

Ernie Neal
SS 354

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just give all the old cars their horsepower back and we may have a chance

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50-100 hp?

Yeah...Right!!!

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Just new car guys looking for more freebies. Doesn't do squat for 90% of older cars.

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I know we might need 200 hp to keep up with the paper cars a total shame and a bunch of ballchit