Quickest "Real" Pontiac
 

I've got a buddy who is a diehard Pontiac freak, and he asked me what the quickest run by a Pontiac stocker was,, and he said "I don't mean those corporate V-8s or LS motors,, I'm talking a traditional real Pontiac engine." I told him I didn't know,, but I knew who to ask,, and I see that Scott Burton ran a 10.35 in "B" at Phoenix, and I can't think of any that have ever made "A" weight,, so I'm deferring to the masses.
I'm sure Scott's .35 has been bettered by someone or himself. Nitro Joe, can you help? I'll see my buddy next weekend at breakfast,,,, thanks for any info.
Danny Durham

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Pretty sure Scott has run a tenth quicker or better, Nat's, Div's
Maybe 2 years ago?

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Are there any Ram Air IV GTO's running?
My favorite all time car.

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Scott best run in both 2011 & 2012 10.32, 2013 10.20 per nitro joe`s stats. Tom

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Someone said that it is the fastest stocker with a Q-Jet. Anybody know???

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I would think that's a good possibility.

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This might help. In the January 2013 issue of High Performance Pontiac there is a 5 page article on Scott's Firebird. In the article it states that he has run a best of 10.17 at 128 m.p.h with a 60 ft. of 1.292. According to the article, I believe he was at "B" weight. I have met Scott and his son Brad and found both of them to be great guys and very accomplished racers. Brad was N.H.R.A. Stock champ twice.

For comparison, I believe Leo Glasbrenner has been in the 10.30's in C. I don't think his 68 will get any lighter than that, I could be wrong.

In Super Stock I believe Bill Rink's '74 G.T.O. has been in the 10.50's in SS/LA. Again I could be wrong.

Would love to hear if either of these last 2 cars have been quicker.

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Don't think Scott has had the opportunity to run in mineshaft conditions either....pretty impressive indeed.

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Ron,, thanks for the info,, you're right they're a couple of good guys,, and I'm sure you'll recall that occasionally, the 2 time champ has hauled his Firebird out to Bremerton and run in Pro Bracket with us, although I haven't had the pleasure of lining up along side of him yet. Probably a good thing.

Jim,, its a shame that the Mission Raceway divisional got moved into June, away from the mineshaft conditions that sometimes occurred in May. That would be quite a tow for Scott,, so I hope he finds good conditions somewhere else.
Danny Durham

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On the super stock side! in gt/aa stacy mccarty and don kennedy both have ran 9 teens 140 + . stacy with a stock block. both with pontiac bodies.
now thats impressive ! don't care who you are.:D

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Those are impressive times indeed. I know the names, but not familiar with the cars. This thread is about the fastest pontiac powered pontiacs, not corporate gm powered. If either of those cars are pure pontiac powered, then WOW. Does someone have the specs on what either of the above mentioned cars have for an engine???

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I am pretty sure Leo Glasbrenner has a pont 455 in his late model firebird he's been at least 9.60s

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both use pontiac 428 engines with Q jets. Make 700+ hp:eek:

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I had forgotten about the late model super stocker that he runs. If that is true - WOW.

Also, if the cars Stacy and Don have run 428 pontiac power then we have some very fast Pontiac powered race cars out there.

Now I have a question for all of you - - - How long before we see an 8 second Pontiac Super Stocker or a 9 second Pontiac Stocker???????

To qualify they must both be Pontiac powered and Pontiac bodied.

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Especially if they were Drag-Pak motors they would be rated around 250 HP.

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:confused: WHAT???????

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Now : that we have switched to SS Pontiacs : Lets add few more very fast cars, in their respective classes. Lynn Mccarty's GTCA firebird has run in the 9:40's ( 455 SD Q/jet, 3100 lbs)
Also Phil Montieth's GTCA firebird ( Pete Biondo driver ) has run 9:40's also ( 428 Pontiac Q/jet ) about 3200 lbs.
Greg Myers GTGA firebired has run high 9's ( low compression 400 Q/jet ) about 3350 lbs

Sorry if I left some one out there are a few more out there that run very well in SS part of the problem is many times people just assume there is a " corporate motor "in them but there are some hard core Pontiac racers that have been making these motors run fast for a long time . Bill

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8.99 means 1.11 under, they wouldnt dare! Stacy has to weigh 110 lbs more than the class minimum due to the gerrymandering of the Grand Am factory shipping weight. He did run 9.13 at Indy @ 3600 feet, with the 110 extra. ;-)

Also, we are doing a 406 Ram Air V soon, so we hope to skip the 8's entirely ;-)

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If we are including SS/GT cars, Bob Cruzen's car doesn't run too bad. He has been 9.0s.

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:D:D I am really impressed by all the responses to this thread. It was started by my good friend Danny Durham (Geerhead55) and has been a ton of fun. The original thread started as the fastest stocker pontiac and has gone into super stock also. I hope Danny doesn't mind the diversion, but we have had some great responses and seen some very quick times for pure pontiac race cars. It is so good to see that there are several people running pontiac power these days. Loving this thread. How about you, Danny???

Lynn - I totally understand about not hitting the index to hard. What is the problem with the weight of the Grand Am??

Ed - Why not include GT cars, they are a part of super stock. Just don't want to go any other direction. Thread started as fastest stocker.

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When we decided to build a Grand Am the factory shipping weight was 2770. After it was built an unnamed person claimed the factory shipping weight was higher. Melba from GM who was the only person left after the auto crises re-upped the GM racing specification & got it changed back. It was changed again and everyone gave up. Now all the guys who spent money on Grand Ams have to run a higher weight than what GM SPECIFIED. The Big 3 do it all the time with the racing platforms by deleting air cond, etc, etc for cars designed for racing venues. As one can see with the new cars, none of them match the reg passenger car shipping weights. Maybe we will go after it again.

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don't forget lynns GTCA ran 9.41 at a 141mph. his 60ft was bad on that run, when he puts it all together look out everybody!!!

some cars have pontiac engines in them but if theres a bowtie on the bumper we kinda ignore it... lol! when GM started putting the sbc in the firebirds it mad us all mad. sooooo we just changed them back in GT. We have Don Kennedy the father of GT superstock racing to thank for that! kind of ironic that you have to retrofit a pontiac engine into a pontiac body to run a real pontiac... well thats the way it goes.... its not whats correct, its what is legal racing fans...

i did like the corvette with a tunnelport Bill Foder use to run though, it was wicked fast in IHRA

stace

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"Mind the diversion?" Not at all,, in over 60 years I've had more than a couple diversions,, this is just the latest, and one of the most educating.
Thanks to all who have responded, I've enjoyed reading this thread,, please continue if you will. I've got plenty of info to show my buddy who asked the Pontiac question of me.
Ron,, I guess you didn't "get it", but Bob's crack about the Drag-Paks was actually pretty funny.
I'm certainly hoping some of these fast Pontiacs,(and now Buicks too,"real or fake") will make the tow to Columbus in May for the Northern Class Nationals, an event I'm planning on attending. Thanks again everyone.
Danny Durham

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Ron,, I guess you didn't "get it", but Bob's crack about the Drag-Paks was actually pretty funny.



Well Danny you are taller than me so I guess it went over my head.

Lynn - Is that another of the famous NHRA "enhancements" so often talked about here on Class Racer???

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It does seem so confusing that Stacy drove all the way to CA and had to put 110lbs in his car, then get a heads up race 3rd or 4th round. They didnt do fuel check on that run I dont think, so inconsistency is disheartening. He cut a perfect light and still lost. Without the 110 lbs easily won. Of course if he would have done a few things he could have stepped the car up, but he thought everyone was covered. Still it is a great place to race, NHRA mostly does a great job, they try hard...they just arent perfect, but neither are we. They have always listened to things that make sense albeit sometimes things take time. Why they use Google instead of what Melba & former managers said from GM Racing is a bit confusing.

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Can anyone tell me the fastest GTO?
Hope it would be a 69 Ram Air IV

Lynn, I'm glad you and yours run true Pontiacs.
I hope you use the SD distributor I sold you many moons ago in good health.
Chris

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It was a sad day when I cracked that 455 Super Duty block. They were so much stronger than the passenger car blocks. We now can run the aftermarket blocks. Many competitors have argued there is no power in such an endeavor, but inquiring minds want to know! ;-) We believe they are full of it. So, this year we are doing to find out!

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Bill Rink is the NHRA "fastest" with his 74 GTO. Bill Eadelis' 70 RAIV GTO is the fastest ET wise. We must also mention John & Keri Angeles' fastest RAIV Firebird and Art Peterson's beautiful 69 GTO.

That RAIV GTO is heavy and runs low 10's! stock block, cast iron heads, actual not bogus intake runner CCs. He only turns the 400: 6500 RPM where we turn the 428: 8700 & the 455: 8300.

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I remember a few years back, up here at the NW Nationals during a rare ( for us) late evening Saturday Qualifying session when Keri's Firebird launched into a monster wheelstand that had us all going "Holy $#*t!". We were sitting about the 330 mark and the nose was still way up when the car went by us. It was unreal,,,,, deffintely a cool car.
Danny Durham

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Thanks for the updated info Lynn. Since my buddy started this thread it has become a sorce of great info. Good luck on future endeavours with your car (skipping the 8's). I am finding out there MANY really fast Pontiacs out there. It still impresses me that quick numbers are put up by these cars that most people misunderstand. Pontiacs are not small block chevys!!!
I agree that the NHRA is a good place to race. I think it was better when Wally Parks was in charge. He had great people around him and wanted the organization to run smoothly.

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Best of luck for all your hard work Lynn and family. I'm glad you can run the aftermarket blocks like all the other brands they are available for. It is only fair. I really love hearing of the fast GTO's as they will always be my favorite car ever made. I hope to own another someday. I am blessed tho with a real 70 GS anda real 70 SS396 bench seat 4 speed car.
I hope we see videos of your racing this year.

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Well ya'll, I know some HATE it when somebody brings back an old thread.

BUT, I just found this one, by accident.

So, here it is, back to the top.

As mentioned, the Scott Burton '70 RAIV Bird was the quickest Pontiac Stocker ever. It turned some 10-teens in competition, for sure. Also dipped into the 9's, at a bracket race, in the Northwest. I ASSUME that John Schloe's '69 Bird, MAY have been 2nd quickest, back when he had the RAIV engine in it. Don't know his best ET.

Of the current Stockers, I assume that Randi Lyn Shipp, Chris Stephenson, & Leo Glasbrenner have the quickest Pontiacs. All have run below 10.50.

The '69 RAIV Bird that Keri Angeles drives has gone well into the 9's, in reg SS form. J.B. Clegg has gone well into the 9's with both '73 & '74 SD455 powered Birds. These are the 3 quickest Pontiac powered reg SS cars I know of.

If other reg SS Pontiac powered cars have got into the 9's, I'm not aware. So, if anybody knows of one, or more, please post that info.

In GT, if you allow a non-Pontiac body, Robert Cruzen has gone 8.90 @ 146.13, in his Cobalt. I assume that was the quickest pass ever, by a Pontiac powered GT car. Don't know of any Pontiac bodied GT cars that have dipped into the 8's. Do ya'll ? Robert ran that 8.90 at the 2016 US Nats. Don't know if he has gone quicker, or not.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2016#indextop

Of course, these cars are just the quickest ET wise. That does not mean they ran further under their index, than many of the slower Pontiacs. Hey, I've posted where a few went 1.5 sec under and very near that. Because of getting hit with hp, don't think we'll be seeing those kind of numbers anymore, even if the car is capable of it.

Lets just consider this an update to this older thread. :)