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23 out of 51 cars entered in Gainesville are new cars (deritives of modern, high tech, fuel efficent after bankruptcy or near bankrupt vehicles); 08 or newer. That is 45%. The Native Americans are surrounding mostly European decent settlers.

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Only 4 of 49 entered at Phoenix are new iron...does that mean the Wagon Train hasn't got there yet or did and already came back (due to taxes I assume).

Go West young man!!

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Jeff, you forgot under-factored. :-)

Fastest SS/JA car in Nitro Joes new book is actually a Stocker!

But, they "have worked on it really hard". LOL

And you keep telling me how I need HP? :-)

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sounds like a job for the Marshall AKA Commander :eek: let me round up my deputies adger and nitro joe and we'll get us a posse going real quick ;)

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Jim, I think the European Settlers got to the promised land, got promised more tax, and returned, but many went Southeast to Florida. Only 4 in Phoenix? Maybe it's too dry for EFI? Being from a part of the country that considers 70% humidity dry, I just can't say. Ed, you need whatever Cooter got.

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LS1? Yes, that's a softer deal. Maybe I can help that other car get some hp.

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Ed, It is ashame that the Underfactored cars have an advantage. Do not blame the owners, Blame the manufactures and NHRA.
Before you make statements on how hard people work on their stuff, you should know the facts.
PB Candies

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like!

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We all work hard on our stuff. I was working to make mine faster before there ever was a Drag Pak.

I don't blame the ownners. It's the reps from the mfgrs, and whoever at NHRA thought (or maybe just don't know that much about it) that the submited specs were OK. But do find it a little funny when some think they are that fast just because they work hard, not because of their bogus hp factors. Some are honest about it. Some are not. I think some may just consider themselve that sharp.

Don't care who it is, how smart they are, how much money they have, or how hard they work, a legit-rated Stocker will never be the fastest SS car in the class that also has the most cars running.

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You did forget to mention one important fact.....the fact that how much yourself and the owners of the new cars have benefitted from the underfactoring. I've "worked hard" on my car for over 30 years, but apparently not hard enough according to you.

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Ed,
Ahhhh NEVERMIND.


See you at the races,
Wayne Kerr

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We need hp off the new cars. Just too damn hard to run to the front. But, wait till yall see the new stuff coming. I think the new V6 will run U/SA. Hell everyone else is mad, why not Capt Jack. Yes, you can tell the warm weather and the season is coming around.

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What do you race, Wayne?

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For all the "old" car guys, I wonder if you would tally up all the money, man hours, blood sweat and tears, and whatever else that you have thrown at your car over the years you have been drag racing and someone please tell me that y'all do not have just as much or pretty close tied up in y'all's cars as what we have in some of our cars. Now we have started with a much more advance car but we are still having to thrash to keep up with the next new car.

Let's race and be happy we can! Happy Mardi Gras everyone

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Ed,
PM sent.

See you at the races,
Wayne Kerr

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Thanks Larry,
I wish you had said Mullet.



See you at the races,
Wayne Kerr

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Under rated is the difference. " Advanced" has nothing to do with it.

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fixed

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Lol!!

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Isn't it amazing how some people "think" that their opinion somehow should be viewed as "fact"!?

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That's what I was thinking. LOL

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There are at least 3 obvious facts to this scam:

1.) New car manufacturers are producing factory built race cars with intentionally under rated horsepower factors.
2.) nhra is knowingly accepting under rated factory race cars and placing them in Stock and Super Stock.
3.) Owners knowingly buying under rated factory race cars to race them in Stock and Super Stock.

All three of these facts must be in place before this scam could be foisted upon the categories of Stock and Super Stock. For the buyers of these under factored cars to say don't blame us, we are just taking advantage of what this scam has to offer is disingenious at best. Without the buyers/owners this debacle would not be possible. Have a great season guys.

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Repeat!

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Somehow I never thought I could move up from used car salesman to scammer. I really want to be a Democrat Politician, just need a little help. "Foisted"; I had to break out the trusted Websters to see what that was. I thought it might be near "Hoisted" which I know what it is to Hoist like in Hoisting a Beverage. Now according to Webster, it means to 'pass off as genuine'. That would probably describe my desire to be a Democrat Politician, but I'm just not sure. Just when you think you know all the trick terms, Foisted comes along.

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Repeat

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Foisted has been around long before you and me and has several meanings. One of them is: to impose an unwelcome or unnecessary person or thing on. Gibberish doesn't erase the facts. It never has.

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I'm just not sure if you could get those three parties to agree to foisting horsepower in any way shape or form. But then I am not a foisting professional. I really have not ever seen Ford (hang on Jessee), Mopar, and Bow Tie folks to agree on much. And then get NHRA to get in with the abovementioned reprobate manufacturers and then include the scoundrels that actually own the cars to foist together would be a monumental task. Maybe it just kinda happened.

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Nice try, but not so much. Who said all three OEMs were working in concert?

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So much fact going on in here. :)

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If I was going to a concert, it would have to be Rod Stewart because my wife is a devoted fan of Rod Stewart. She has a life size stand up poster that lives in our house and a picture of Rod in the middle of the kids and grandkids pictures. Somehow I just don't see Jessee Kershaw, Rod Stewart, and Graham Light doing a concert. But then again maybe they were 'foisting' a few. Sorry, that was hoisting. I am getting a little confused now.

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It's pretty clear that you are promoting that notion!

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Isn't that what this whole thread is about?

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Clear? To you maybe. It's just Jeff trying to mess around with his own gloating thread.

Ford 1st
Mopar one year later
Chevrolet several years later

Got it now.

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What happened to the Cowboys and Indians?

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Rivalry!!!!!!!!! YA GOTTA LOVE IT!!! If only the spectators cared about our eliminators they would love this!

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I'm a lil young to remember but can anyone tell me a combo or combos that were rated correctly from the start? Let's see the drag pak has been out for 4-5 years now. I'm wondering how long did it take other combos to get to where everyone thought they should be.

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You mean like the 100+ Horsepower put on the Drag Pak?

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If that's the way you took question then yea I guess. But if others don't mind please help with this same question aimed at different combos.