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farmco r/sa 12-22-2013 07:41 PM

77/78 ford ltd/ mercury marquis 460
 
:rolleyes:interesting this combo gets 10 horse back in stock. interested to see how many get built... any in the works?

Joe Toller 12-22-2013 08:00 PM

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I just wanna see one! I can imagine one, like a crap-brown or equally hideous 70's colored 2dr wheels high lol...but I already have a car. The wrecking yards here are crawling with them, and I have used a couple in other motorsports...if you need it to keep its rear sheet metal attached to the trunk floor or make the front bumper impact shocks indestructible I might be able to help...

Bill Howell 12-22-2013 10:38 PM

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It would make a great car for a demolition derby!

Joe Toller 12-22-2013 11:28 PM

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They do indeed. Just need a little work on the bumper shocks up front and a well placed notch in the rear framerails to get it going upward. With a little work they will put up a fight!

vic guilmino 12-23-2013 09:50 AM

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i am building a 75
i need a 75 460

Ed Wright 12-23-2013 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bill howell (Post 413533)
it would make a great car for a demolition derby!

lol!

Dave Noll 12-23-2013 12:41 PM

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Vic, I've Got a 74 but no intake.

Dan Fahey 12-23-2013 12:50 PM

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Be sure someone is sitting on the Hood when you take the front bumpers off. :D

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vic guilmino 12-23-2013 07:15 PM

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dave that will work
how must????????

Dave Noll 12-23-2013 07:59 PM

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Do you have a trans ?

ALMACK 12-23-2013 09:53 PM

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I've had 2 of those 74-78 LTDs and those cars are absolutely huge.

I cannot imagine trying to drag race one. Wow !

Dave Noll 12-23-2013 10:31 PM

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2 Attachment(s)
Vic,
$125.00 for the motor. Right now it's still in the car. I'll have to make an oak pallet for it to. Here is the # off the passenger side head. Billy talk you out of the 351M ?
Attachment 22519


Almack, yeah they are heavy. I liked racing mine. Dual exhaust, 750 Holley 2.75 gears mid 15's & everybodies grandfather had one.
Attachment 22518

vic guilmino 12-24-2013 01:47 AM

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how must is shipping and do you have the carb???

Dave Noll 12-24-2013 04:29 AM

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Vic,
I dont have the right carb per the spec sheet, sorry. It looks like a holley 1850 will work though. Shipping, I only know it's going somewhere in div. 1 but I can take it to the shop I work @ & have it freighted out from there.

Jack Matyas 12-24-2013 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Noll (Post 413655)
Attachment 22519


Almack, yeah they are heavy. I liked racing mine. Dual exhaust, 750 Holley 2.75 gears mid 15's & everybodies grandfather had one.
Attachment 22518

Grandfather my ***** - I had a red coupe w white landau roof for a demo back in the day - it was a real pimpmobile .

Joe Toller 12-24-2013 09:55 AM

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I can look for an intake and carb if you would like? I actually think I know where a few intakes are...

The Hawk 12-24-2013 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Noll (Post 413655)
Vic,
$125.00 for the motor. Right now it's still in the car. I'll have to make an oak pallet for it to. Here is the # off the passenger side head. Billy talk you out of the 351M ?
Attachment 22519


Almack, yeah they are heavy. I liked racing mine. Dual exhaust, 750 Holley 2.75 gears mid 15's & everybodies grandfather had one.
Attachment 22518

Awesome pic of the burnout!!

John Presing 12-24-2013 12:21 PM

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Vic I have what you need wright here in nj give me a call merry christmas 973 427 3673 john

Dave Noll 12-24-2013 12:43 PM

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That's good timing, I just got a quote for truck freight assuming weight & somewhere in West Virginia, its over 1800.00.

Dick Butler 12-24-2013 12:46 PM

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I might ask why are you guys building these?

Mike Graham 12-24-2013 12:58 PM

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It should be obvious! They have excellent cup holders for the long drive down the track and a front seat big enough to take a nap on.

Billy Nees 12-24-2013 01:16 PM

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and they'll sleep six!

Dave Noll 12-24-2013 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dick Butler (Post 413728)
I might ask why are you guys building these?

I used mine to tow one of my cougars to the track for my son to race, unhook the trailer & get in the lanes with it. Because I had it & I liked it. Before I turned my Cougar into a stocker I toyed with the LTD as a stocker because the 460 4bbl in "N" looked better than what I actually built, 351c 2bbl. in my Cougar. (in N)

The Hawk 12-24-2013 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dick butler (Post 413728)
i might ask why are you guys building these?


Why not?

Paul Wong 12-24-2013 02:59 PM

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Why? I seem to get that question a lot!

Dick Butler 12-24-2013 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by The Hawk (Post 413752)
Why not?

Is that the answer? because you can?Is it a $500 car? a rocket in N? being odd for fun?
Wont there always be a more bogus combo in the weeds? Cadillac, BLown Studebaker, Vega OH cam?

Wendy Carr 12-24-2013 03:18 PM

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Why?

Because people get tired of jelly-bean, belly-button, cookie-cutter, pick your cliché, type of car.

THAT, is why.

Mike Carr

7423 12-24-2013 03:27 PM

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Why??

Because it is far more interesting, challenging and satisfying to put a real, production, showroom available, no horsepower car under the index than racing a new Copo or Cobra will ever be. It's called "hot rodding".

Have a very Merry Christmas

442OLDS 12-24-2013 03:33 PM

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Why???

Its good to see any combo that is not just another SBC.

Jack Matyas 12-24-2013 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 7423 (Post 413761)
Why??

Because it is far more interesting, challenging and satisfying to put a real, production, showroom available, no horsepower car under the index than racing a new Copo or Cobra will ever be. It's called "hot rodding".

Have a very Merry Christmas

Charlie - Really ? Sure - putting five thousand pounds under the index can be fun but you must admit the real reason that there are cars like the LTD are being built is because the horsepower factor is wrong .

And trust me the 2013 season for me was no picnic .And I do consider myself a true "hot rodder" .

And a very Merry Christmas from those of us on the 'other coast'.

442OLDS 12-24-2013 03:41 PM

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If 320 horsepower is wrong,what would be right?

chris ok 12-24-2013 04:12 PM

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When I saw Billy Nees spotted out a country mile at Cecil by a new COPO, it was cool to watch the hunt, and Billy prevailed, it was rather awesome.
I welcome the Land Yachts of yesteryear to help provide a tear to the new cars, lol.....
I actually love all stocker/super stocker cars. (and trucks)
But it's like the old wide world of sports opener, the agony of defeat.
Sometimes Davy beats Goliath, sometimes he don't.
Build what makes you happy.
I will be there to watch in division 1

Dave Noll 12-24-2013 04:29 PM

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The 74 & 75 are both @ 300hp. & with the grand canyon in the top of those pistons I don't think its factored wrong.I had a choice of 2 cars, my current Cougar or the LTD for an "N" car. I haven't seen a mad rush to build these cars, Vic is probably the only one actually putting one together. Mine is sitting in the yard rotting right now. I cant bear to have these 70's cars hauled off & crushed & get made back into Toyotas. When Vic said he was looking for a 460 I thought this was a good way to @ least resurrect part of an old friend back to racing.

Mark Yacavone 12-24-2013 04:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dick Butler (Post 413758)
Is that the answer? because you can?Is it a $500 car? a rocket in N? being odd for fun?
Wont there always be a more bogus combo in the weeds? Cadillac, BLown Studebaker, Vega OH cam?

Dick, Just curious what IS NOT a bogus combo in your mind?
Maybe a 4bbl SBC Stocker engine with the hp rating beat to death, that a guy would have to spend 30 Grand on to be a second under?

7423 12-24-2013 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Matyas (Post 413764)
Charlie - Really ? Sure - putting five thousand pounds under the index can be fun but you must admit the real reason that there are cars like the LTD are being built is because the horsepower factor is wrong ..

Who cares if the HP is right or wrong? I always thought that drag racing was build a car that you like and believe is competitive, put a dial in on the window and stage it. Being on the top of sheet or the bottom of the sheet won't mean a thing late Sunday afternoon when they hand you the clip board and a pencil.

ALMACK 12-24-2013 07:39 PM

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I have a '83 T-Bird bracket car with a '75 LTD 460 engine in it. All it has is an aluminum Performer intake and a cheapo Summit flat tappet cam. Still has the orginal 1975 piston rings.

Those engines are real low on compression ratio.

Tough engines for sure, but those exhaust ports are weak.

I would love to see someone build one of those 70's LTD and get it under the index.

Dick Butler 12-24-2013 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 413777)
Dick, Just curious what IS NOT a bogus combo in your mind?
Maybe a 4bbl SBC Stocker engine with the hp rating beat to death, that a guy would have to spend 30 Grand on to be a second under?

Guess being a second under can be good to qualify but I guess I always wanted to beat someone who had a similar car even if we were both over factored. Always liked class better than ..... I only learned SBC, BBC tear down and work. Got to give credit to you guys who learn the others and apply it to these cars.

Ed Carpenter 12-24-2013 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Matyas (Post 413764)
Charlie - Really ? Sure - putting five thousand pounds under the index can be fun but you must admit the real reason that there are cars like the LTD are being built is because the horsepower factor is wrong .

And trust me the 2013 season for me was no picnic .And I do consider myself a true "hot rodder" .

And a very Merry Christmas from those of us on the 'other coast'.

The same thing could be said for bogus factors on new cars. I've said it to many times, but a racer I get along with pretty good with a new car told me in Houston he was running 1.00 under at 75% throttle. Now we get along but if that isn't bogus I don't what is.

Dick Butler 12-24-2013 11:03 PM

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I wonder when Hp will be dropped as the standard. Seems the way the factors sit and the very slow adjustments and next years bogus hps it keeps hurting everyone but those with the money to move around cars or give up if disgusted with the deal.

farmco r/sa 12-25-2013 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by vic guilmino (Post 413558)
i am building a 75
i need a 75 460

Think it is great your building one vic. hope it works out well. class diversity makes stock/ss interesting. would bo boring if it were only camaros. mustangs and drag packs. fields would probably be a bit smaller also........


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