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Giving way to the hijackers...

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OUR SPORT IS IN TROUBLE!!!
No sponsors.
:Fans" that don't get it and never will.
Think about this;how many young kids do you know that TRUELY give a dang about old cars, or drag racing.(not many for me)
Now however; the latest cell phone or Xbox GAME....why heck ya!!! They are all over that stuff.
When I was 12 I would beg to go to car shows, drag races, anything to do with cars.
I was drawing sketches of old cars.
Sketching things on my "PAPER!" note book like..
427 RAT!
426 HEMI,
Bow Tie logos,
Spinning tires with smoke.
The list goes on...
And of course I always had the latest copy of Auto Trader "PAPER!" magazine to fuel day dreams of having a hot rod of my own.
I would think to my self....
( I sure wish I had the money to buy that 1969 Z28 for $4,600 Boy! that's
a lot of cash!)
I know, you guys know what I talking about.

Today; text message your buddy in the same room, play Xbox with someone you have and never will meet on the internet, instead of asking what size engine you have I get questions like (How do you know what size a bolt is???).

Like it or not I'm afraid we are on the path of the Dinosaurs.
IT'S AMAZING!

Glen

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Fan #2: "They oughta run the cars in the parking lot!"
Fan #3: "That would be more fun than watchin' the throttle stop cars."

These were good ones. I almost spit my coffee all over the key board. You have to admit this is the quote of the year.......LOL

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Yes. "OUR" sport is in the trouble. Unless NHRA makes some changes they are in trouble too. I know a lot of you guys hate my car, or don't understand it, or don't even know what it is or what you are looking at. Probably should wait to call the young kids stupid if that's the case. I hear it all the time on here. Honestly you guys that think that are part of the problem.

I had no less than 100 people come up to me saying that they were really looking forward to watching my car make passes again this year at Indy. Old and young. Racers and tech officials. Felt horrible telling them that I couldn't because some bitter NHRA tech official that should've hung up his hat while I was still a child, decided to find some rule written in their rulebook that can't even be met by my car in a safe matter. If the head tech official can't even tell you what the make and model is of a certain car, he shouldn't be in that position.

It's really a bummer that 1 or 2 bad apples can ruin it for anyone. All the money (tons and tons to make it legal to run Comp), time, sweat, blood, tears that went into getting this car ready for this event was all just a giant waste. Sponsors get screwed, I get screwed, fans get screwed. But NHRA gets their money of course. What's even more crazy is, every person I talked too, primarily racers that have run with NHRA for a very long time, said "was XXX XXXXXX involved in this" I said yeah, and most of them said "he's no good" "he's an ***" etc. I never met the guy, however he wouldn't even look me in the eyes the entire time he was looking at my car so that say volumes for his character. He didn't say a word to me. Just rode off on his scooter and had someone else tell me I couldn't race.

Of course this was after the same "expletive" person told me to run my clutch can up to Lafayette to get it upgraded (thank you Browell for doing this for me at the drop of a hat) and re certified, my flywheel back to the manufacturer to get certified and the same with my clutch. So after 2 full days of meeting everything NHRA told me to do, running all over the state, emptying my pockets even more, they sent one their tech official over to me on race day to say "sorry you can't race because of this rule, in which he showed me in the rulebook" Appeared to be written with only domestic V8's in mind. It's a bummer that NHRA is like this, and they aren't going to get any new cars such as mine involved if they don't change something. I race both sides and I'll be honest, the last 2 years of racing NHRA has been exhausting just dealing them. They have an accepted fuel list that isn't inviting to any car such as mine, seems to be at least 10 years old. 90% of them aren't familiar with the cars or the technology. It's sad. There are a ton of NHRA tech guys and employees that are great people, and I look up to them, but man the couple of bad apples they have sure do spoil the bunch.

Sorry for the rant, but as I sit at home, with my car packed up and loaded in my trailer sitting in front of my house, I'm just sick to my stomach that what we worked for all year, was yanked away from us because 1 tech guy doesn't know or understand what he is looking at.

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I've been saying for years, drag racing is dying and for too many reasons to be able to save it.

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Carey , welcome to Indy. Your not the first and won't be the last

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Carey, what exactly is the rule that they say your are not in compliance with?

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It was my 4th year in a row running Indy. So maybe I was introduced to the real Indy.

Interesting that a car that has all the safety stuff that is SFI tagged and certified to go 6.0 in the 1/4 can't pass tech....haha.

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No one listened to you then, and no one cares now

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Dang Carey, I wondered why I didn't see you on any of the results posted. Care to spill the exact reason you were pushed out? Besides the fact that you are the fastest car in S/STK.

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It's the hole diameter in my adapter/mid plate. Their rules state that this hole can only be 1 inch in diameter bigger than the crank flange diameter where the flywheel bolts too.

That is super easy to do with your domestic V8 car as that flange sticks through the adapter plate and mounting flange of the block. Mine is recessed inside of the mounting flange of the block and inside of the adapter plate. So that hole HAS to be bigger to accommodate the radius on the back of the flywheel so we can safely bolt our flywheel to the engine. Their solution is to run a hub adapter or some weird sort of spacer to get the crank mounting flange past the adapter plate to where we can bolt the flywheel to. Anyone with any experience with a buzzy inline 4 cylinder car knows that it's hard keeping any bolt in that engine, let alone a flywheel bolt. So in their "fix" I would have to run really long flywheel bolts and some sort of spacer. That too me seems way more dangerous than a larger hole in the adapter plate that goes no where except into the back of the block. And honestly it's extremely close to the radius of the flywheel so in the end the hole in the adapter plate, once the flywheel is bolted up is actually non existent.

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Wow. I understand the rule as written, and you're right. It was never written with modern import engines in mind, and is probably decades old. I think a few calls to Glendora, and talking to Pat or some of the others might make you some headway. I think a better solution than a spacer would be to have the crank made a little longer to move it back, if NHRA won't bend on the rule. I hate you had that happen, your car is really cool.

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Guys got to realize that keeping the tech men up on 1million combinations in Stk and SS cannot be done and should not be expected. Keeping the combinations "simple and limited " can be an answer but no one will listen to that one. Everyone fears lack of innovation, lack of their own car, lack of their own brand.........lack of racing the combo they currently own..and understand.
Everyone rather sacrifice the whole sport while continuing to play the same games year after year. Run what they allow today and "Bi####" about cost, tech, rules etc. Complain about no sponsors, no crowd, no heads up racing....
A clean start class with spec , sealed motors could recover the crowd, cut the cost, increase the interest of sponsors and NHRA but I doubt support could be found anywhere
It cannot be done by one man, one group or brand. (MOPAR shoot out is the exception or example of supporting a concept. Not everyone can afford a 200,000 program.
Allow any body you have at a fixed wt and cubic inchs spec or sealed motor and at least
people could test the water with their current car and a cheaper motor combo to see if it works.

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Hey Carey, Why not stud the crank hub? Use long studs, slide the spacer then the wheel on. Im sure ARP would make them to any spec you need. It would be just like the clutch set up in top fuel cars then....Studs give more clamping force and are "safer" right and you spend more money right? Good luck in your fight!

Kenny Newsome 7709 ?/SA

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You guys think it's bad when you hear this stuff in the stands? How about when it comes out of the track announcer's mouth across the loud speakers? I heard, during a couple of heads up runs at Atco, a double breakout!

But the best had to be hearing over and over that ONLY round winners return to the lanes!

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I always wondered why they would look at me and my car funny when we rolled up for second round!

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If he starts moving the flywheel around then he has to move the starter with it. And everything effects the next thing. Fun!

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I've been here since Thurs and have heard a few funny things here and there. But more than hearing is the seeing, there's been some outstanding people watching. The nitro cars bring out some amazing mullets, I have pictures if anyone is interested : )

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Oh yes, please post them!

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Well if you look close in any of espn 's broadcast you will see that on both sides in the last set of the stands are blacked out

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Just curious looks like your avitar is a S2000, is that your car?
I only ask because i'v had a couple and used to be on the s2k sites quite a bit. Is your car the first one to make in the 9's. just wondering if was following your car build 4 or 5 years ago.
Just curious.

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That Honda has been in the 7's.

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I'm trying to figure out how or what made them notice this. Something caught their eye or somebody told them what to look at because I can't imagine this was visible under the hood. If you'd like, PM me a picture or post it.
Sorry to hear about this. I personally think you have a bad a** car and I admire you for coming forward with it to NHRA class racing. Before you, it was Mazda rotaries.

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Carey, just run Outlaw 8.5 and keep smiling! Your car is one bad dude!!!

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After I lost in the 2nd round at Atco I was really tempted when he called for "3rd round only round winners" return to just pull up with a $50.00 in my hand and be like "where's the buy back line start."

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What in the hell is a S2000?????

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Alex how you doing ?
My Friend Ray is looking for you at INDY.

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The quickest and fastest car in NHRA Superstock history. :D

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I feel your pain, I too have dealt with that of whom you speak.

I seem to remember when Scott Gove was tickling the 7's some official made a statement that they would not allow a 7 second SS....maybe hot air, if not, they will have to back down with the new FS cars.

When you opt to race a one off car, you stand the chance of being made an example of their "power"

Besides Gove I think they made it hard on Galina as well.

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NOT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS but I'm just not a nerd car fan never was never will be 100% all AMERICAN HERE I ALWAYS HATED NHRA FOR DISPLACING US FOR THE BULLSH*T SPORTS COMPACT SERIES, ME AND JIM SKELLY HAD MANY A SPIRITED DISCUSSION OVER THE LIKELYHOOD OF sport compact surviving?
And where are they now? although I will admit that I did enjoy the bikini contests these days I'll probably get smacked for looking, back then things were different in my personal life so I could pretty much look at anything I wanted to.
so you must not be too proud of that the thing whatever it is as nobody ever did answer my question and I still don't know what the hell a S2000 is? Is it some sort of science fiction movie? or the cartoon character speed racer's new ride?

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A Honda 2dr-2seater turbocharged car. I think #1 qualifier last year at Indy?

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Carey, I was just thinking, just use those tethers that Johnny Gray used a month ago out west, they sure did the job.

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Cary, I'm still trying to figure out how the tech guy saw how big a hole you had behind your flywheel. Did you go to tech with the transmission and floor pan removed?

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Been watching the Yellow Bullet Nats live online from Cecil County .... These guys are having fun ... Imagine that ... And they get live Internet coverage ...

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I think NHRA has bigger issues to worry about than an inch of clearance on a crankshaft by the scatter shield, With the RPM that Honda will buzz I don't think anything that explodes in the can will be heading inward, at least not according to the law of physics. NHRA made a class for the car, don't punish him for showing up. Don Jackson

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Best reply ever!!! Your car is bada##. Engineering is engineering and your car has a boat load of it. Be proud of what you built because there's a whole lot of us that thinks its way cool.

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So is the 1000' Club now at 660'?

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Amen. That car hauls the mail.

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Keep up the good work Carey! That car is cool. I like Lee's Comp Honda Altered in div 7 too. Best engineered car also. .

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It's an aluminum body two-seat sports car by Honda. It has in in-line 4cyl and is RWD. It's a hi-tech car and the engine has (I think) an 8800 RPM from the factory. It is naturally aspirated from the factory. In the class he races your allowed to place a turbo on the car.
The fact that anybody can walk in their Honda dealer and buy one (not sure if they still build them), makes it easier to swallow than say, a late-model CJ.