Anybody Have Video of the Epic Burndown in Stock at Sonoma?
 

I guess there was an EPIC pre-stage burndown in the first round of stock last weekend at Sonoma. Did anybody see it? Better yet, does anybody have video of it? I would love to see footage of it. I guess the guy receiving the burndown even had to shut his car off while he was pre-staged because the other driver was taking so long.

Looks like it was a HUGE fail on the starter's part. The driver didn't follow his command to stage and he should have DQ'd him.

Why warm your car up in the pits when you can warm it up after the burnout?

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Your Roving Reporter wants to know "Who were the burnees?". Me & Slate tried that one time. I lost. Imagine that. I was .002 red and he was .005 red, but I was first.

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Really ? who was it ? I did not hear anything about this ...huh

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Was not us, eh Bob.. LOL! I heard.....

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I am parked on the edge of my seat waiting to hear who the players are.............oh the drama !! Oh the anticipation !!
Thought those antics only took place in the pop n stop classes.

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I witnessed that burn down but i don't know who the drivers are, I thought i was watching a pro stock race from back in the day.

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The participants were Tommy Gaynor and Jim Meador. Jim doesn't play any games at the line. He did his normal deal and went in and lit the pre-stage bulb. Tommy apparently left his water pump on in the staging lanes and I guess he didn't realize it until after he did his burnout. Supposedly, his car was too cold and the computer would go into closed loop or something like that. So instead of doing the right thing and staging in a timely fashion, he figured this would be a good time to warm the car up to open loop temperature and in the process hang Jim out to dry. The starter waved at him to stage, but he just kept inching closer and closer while warming his car up.

Jim ended up losing by .004. He had a .03 light to Tommy's .06, but ran .04 over his dial. Obviously, Jim's car was hotter than normal and this contributed to his running slow.

Somebody told me they were watching it on live timing and the burndown "had to have been two minutes."

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Toby

As we were the next pair up I was standing behind the Camaro Jim was Pre staged at least 10 seconds maybe as many as 15 seconds the Corvette wasn't within four feet of the line I thought the red light should have come on in the left lane as he made NO ATTEMPT to move forward and yes Jim did turn his motor off. I don't have a dog in this fight and really don't know either guy so my comments are just an honest observation

Call me if you want the longer version I will send you a PM

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So Toby has a pretty close to accurate description of what happened. When I went up for first round it was 55 degrees and 90% humidity, a cool overcast morning, normal for Sonoma. I drove to the lanes and got out to talk to Jim. When I got out I left my fan and water pump on, for about 10-12 minutes. When we pulled out of the lanes to the ready line my car was about 85 degrees. The way I run my car it has to be 115 degrees for the fuel injection system to go into closed loop. If it runs in open loop below 115 degrees it shoots numbers all over the place. I did my burn out with the water pump off, didn't move much so I started stalling it up against the convertor with the fan and water pump off. It slowly started warming, as per the rules I kept making forward motion as it warmed up. The starter waived me in one time and I kept bumping forward. By the time I got in I had rattled myself to the point I was .060 on the tree. I felt awful about it after the race, I went by Jim's RV to apologize and he was not there. I approached Jim after the race in the Victory Circle area and he rode off on his scooter. I was texting back and forth with another racer yesterday morning and got Jim's cell number. I left Jim about a 2-3 min voice mail apologizing for not being prepared to race when I pulled in the water, I'm assuming that's where Toby got all of his info. As of now I have not heard from Jim and would like the opportunity to speak with him face to face. If any one else wants to ask any questions give me a call.

Tommy
360.798.8998

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The blame really belongs to the starter. Gaynor "wasn't ready" so he plays games on the starting line and the race "official" let's him get away with it. I DID see the Corvette moving forward...a couple of bumps of the brake pedal maybe while he was on the converter building heat. A pretty chicken s**t thing to do.

I'd bet you all that if Jim was told of this temp issue, he would have delayed or slowed down his routine to give the Corvette ample time...my impression of the guy anyway.

But then again, some racers will do whatever they can get away with...

Didn't Greg Anderson get red lighted at Englishtown last year (or the year before) for the same deal...failing to pre stage in a timely manner???

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Tommy, if it "shoots numbers all over the place" in open loop you need to fix your tuning. No way that should make it faster or slower. If it's making more than a couple percent corrections your base tuning is wrong.

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was in Norwalk and Zasokoski had me prestaged 20 seconds and 6 before he staged, good sportsmanship

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I saw a couple people taking forever to stage in Columbus this past weekend, then double bulbing their opponents when they did finally go in. Seems unnecessary to me.

Also, in Chicago, I saw one competitor screw around on a heads up run. He did his burn out, stopped, jumped around in his seat for a while acting like he was doing things, just wasting time to get his opponents engine hot. He proceeded to get treed and outrun by over a tenth. LOL

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Hmmmm that's weird I don't remember my Dad, cousin Kevin or I running anybody named twoputt9 at Norwalk. Must have been a different Zasokoski.

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[QUOTE=Andrew Hill;391950]I saw a couple people taking forever to stage in Columbus this past weekend, then double bulbing their opponents when they did finally go in. Seems unnecessary to me.


Hmmm! I remember that too, Andrew!!!! And, I couldn't agree more!!!!

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Lol...nice Brad

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so open loop and closed loop are 2 different things, what do they do? I thought it had to be in a certain loop per NHRA, just asking because I don't know?

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so would an open loop just be a piece of rope, or string?

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Tuned properly in open loop is as fast as closed loop.

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We had it happen in a time run .

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Hey Toby
This question has nothing to do with these guys but how the start system works. I have meet both. Anybody correct me if i do not have this right, this is how I thought it worked. Once a car pre stages the other car has 45 seconds to pre stage. Once a car stages the other car has 7 seconds to stage. Or does the starter have total control over the pre stage time? Want to know how it works for future incidents if this happens to me.

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I think it's 15 to pre stage (starter can over ride this)and 7 to stage

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As far as open loop VS closed loop, one relies on a base fuel map vs the engine rpm or throttle position. The other ties into the on board Global Positioning System and wheel speed counters and makes it extremely consistent.

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Its that old west coast rule book thing again! And the good part was no water was lost.

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Can't all you darn Polocks just get along?

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I just assumed you noticed that your temp was low after the burnout and that's why you took so long. If you noticed the temp was low when they pulled you to the ready line, why didn't you start getting on the convertor then instead of waiting until after the burnout? I wouldn't think it would take that long to get it from 85 to 115 degrees. Also, you could have stopped behind the burnout box and got on the convertor like some people do to test their transbrake. I would have been stalling it from the second I saw the temp was low. I don't know about your car, but on mine the temp gauge doesn't really move unless you toggle the water pump.

According to your interpretation of the rules, when the starter waves you in all you need to do is make forward motion? If that's the case, I should be able to take 15 minutes to stage as long as I make forward motion, right? I've always heard when the starter waves you to stage you are supposed to stage like ... NOW! Not just make inch bumps towards the line or stage whenever you feel like it.

You say you felt awful about it after the race, but when you were doing it you had to know that you were hanging Jim out to dry and his car was heating up. But, you got your car up to the proper temp and that's all that matters.

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Never heard of a pre-stage timer, but I believe you get 10 seconds to stage in most of the sportsman classes and 7 seconds for the pros.

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The Compulink timing system does not have any set time for Pre-Stage set in it. The starter would have the control of making someone pre-stage if they feel they are taking too long to do so. The stage timeout limit is set at 7 for the Pro/Alcohol classes and 10 for the Lucas Oil Sportsman classes.

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This is what is in the rule book nothing about a set time to prestage or stage. Tommy you crack me up.

A reasonable amount of time will be permitted for drivers to stage.
The time limit will be determined at the sole and absolute discretion
of the official starter. Failure to stage upon the starter’s instructions
is possible grounds for disqualification. After proper staging and
receiving the starter’s signal to go, restaging for a second time is
prohibited. Any driver leaving the starting line before the start
system is activated, including a driver on a single run, will have his
or her time disqualified for the run.

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Toby what the *****! It's over! I can not take it back. I have made three attempts to apologize to Jim. I have explained myself and the situation in a public forum and people will all have their own opinions. I don't know what you want to do from here, we could do it old school and I could come see you at the Seattle National and we could fist fight? Or we could do it NASCAR style and Jim could wreck me next time we race, or even better NASCAR pit crew style and we could have a brawl with jack handles! Just let me know what you are thinking and I'll make sure my car is warmed up! Seriously aren't you both over 50? I thought maturity came with age, maybe I'm wrong again.

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Yep, it's over. Stay classy, Tommy.

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Well, I guess thats it folks..............who says there is no entertainment in drag racing.

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Video.....or it never happened!:D

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Why are you running your race car in closed loop anyways?

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Nothing like a little controversy to get the old blood pressure up. Hope you guys make up. I'm still not sure who is the burnee and burnette. And maturity does not come with age. Joint pain, pills, and regular visits to the doc come with age. Maturity is a mystery item. And over 50 is sorta teenagerette. I don't think Webster would like this site. You know the guy who does the dictionaries where you actually open a book and look up a word. Ed knows who Webster is.

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I want to congratulate Tommy on his excellent driving and staying focused. What a final round he had also! Taking out what I consider the best stock driver there is..

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wasn't Webster a black kid on a sitcom?

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"Wha Chu talkin' bout, Willis???

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wasn't that from "different strokes"? .....

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Jeff thinks I went to school with Webster. I keep trying to tell him I am no older than he is.