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Being stuck at work... any news from Virgina? Any testing or tech stuff. Come on help an old alter boy out with some news.

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Hey Joe, my nephew got warned about the hood on his car in tech. He has til the next race to change it. Seems they are going to follow OE which states the Pace car came with a raised hood with the 300 HP only. Guess we'll be changing engines this week. They told him to correct it before ATCO. Thx Joe.Fasano.

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Joe, there will be alot of changeing of the hoods going on. LOts of 350/255 camaro's with cowl hoods. I think an official announcement would be order or is this a D-1 rule?????
Glad I have a nova....

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"Virgina " is for lovers!

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It is very hot down here.

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Who was the Tech person making this call.. a D1 guy, or the D2 guy who ocassionally shows up at D1 races??..

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I've heard from alot of veteran old time Chevrolet guys that a cowl hood on a 69 Camaro with 255/350 is flat out bogus. Just people getting away with it to long. I'm not sure about 325/396's though

Good luck and safe racing to everyone this weekend!

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You got that right Joe !

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After many many years being okay, suddenly '69 Camaros with the 350/255 and a cowl hood is now wrong and MUST be changed but the fiberglass AFX hood on a '64 Comet SS/M is allowed to slide through tech with nothing said. Why?

Come on NHRA....get your act together!!!!!

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My thoughts exactly!

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Does any of this really surprise you????????????????????????????
Story of the week.

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Joe, there is also a car that runs as an 85 Camaro that you once drove. It has been claimed as an "85 camaro" It has a flat hood. No louvers but it does have ground effects. It has also has given the combo horsepower over the years. You know the car. It really is a 90 body style. They let it go. AS usually d1.

Can someone just give Rick Campbell some sort of badge so he feels part of it. Move him up in life instead of the mall cop status .

Who cares dude about a hood. RELAX rick.

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If NHRA is going to focus on hoods, there is a lot to look at out there.
Maybe they should study the HP ratings this much, LOL.

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FYI, a cowl hood came standard on all 1969 302/Z28, Convertable Pace Cars, and 427/ZL1 Camaro's; however it was an option on the build sheet for every model in '69. You would have had to special order it but it was "available". The question then becomes does NHRA look at standard or optional trim on all cars for the HP guidelines, personally I dont care; however make your decision NHRA and stick with it.

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Well, at least you're right about the 427/ZL-1s.

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I received my first ever letter from the tech dept after the World Finals regarding this matter. The quintesential SS/JA car is a '69 Camaro with a 255/350, and they've ALWAYS had cowl hoods. That, however, does not make it right.

I told Bruce I was sure one could "have" a cowl hood with that combo, but I'd research it. Turns out, not so much. The cowl hood (ZL2 option) was AVAILABLE on the Z/28 and SS models, and came included on the COPO and Pace Car. Well, you could not get the LM1 255/350 in any of those, so therefore, you could not pair a 255 with a cowl hood. Period. 300/350, yes, in both an SS and a Pace Car.

So, right is right, wrong is wrong, and the facts are the facts...

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I am familiar with that hood and a bit ignorant of its importance.

What does it give one car over another?

D

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I don't have a dog in this fight, but it seems to me it should be like common law marriage. If you've lived together for more than seven years the law could consider you married. Why would anyone want to try and all of a sudden make these hoods illegal after years of them being legal. With all the BS in stock and super stock this sure seems like a strange issue to want to enforce.

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I would guess that the cowl hood to be somewhat faster than the flat hood. Probably more so in SS where carb to hood clearance my be a problem with the flat hood. Has anyone A/B'd both hoods and want to share?

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HP ratings

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Nothing...

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It isnt worth anything

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I also talked to Bruce about this issue
Bruce is a good guy that treated me with respect
As Dan Fletcher said right is right wrong is wrong
To bad all of Class racers didnt look at it the same way Dan does
We will change the hood at a cost of close to 1000.00

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if there is nothing why is one rated at 315 and the other 317? If you want this issue to be about nothing have NHRA make both versions same HP right?

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The 315 hp is a 1969 300/315 041 head engine. The hood is not a factor

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NHRA knows there is no value in the hood
If you have proof there is a value post your proof

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Marc, that is my point exactly, why different HP ratings because of the hood you are campaigning? All I am saying is that wether you have a flat hood or a cowl hood it shouldn't matter and compromise the HP rating. It should be 315 or 317 just make it the same for all.

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Do you have any proof of this?
If you do it would really help me out?
Jsa3107@aol.com

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It has been a while but I could run faster with the cowl hood with stock air cleaner base sealed to hood.

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If there is no difference why do people put them on instead of a stock hood? Because it looks cool? Being able to seal the carb to the hood is worth something, at least is was on my Firebird, and those scoops are in the wrong spot compared to a cowl hood on a Chevrolet. It doesnt cost a 1000.00 dollars to put a hood on one of those cars. You can by a brand new replacement for GM for under 300.00. Maybe this will go away, or people will have extra hoods for that new 300 Hp 350 or a big block project.

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A friend who has years of experience with this combination put his flat hood back on a couple years ago. He said there was no additional performance to be found in the air hood. I believe he also said the flat hood is 18 pounds lighter.

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I have a 69 camaro flat hood I would sell if someone needs one. I can bring it to Indy points meet. It is primer, I took it off my 69 and put a cowl on it. The car is going to be a street car, so I did it for looks. It is a original GM 69 flat hood.

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Your incorrect
The hood after market is 349.00 for a decent one
Shipping was 250.00
And what do you thinks its going to cost to custom match a custom paint job?
300-400?

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Ok Mark, your right. Most likely with those prices you are close to a 1000.

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I guess I got lucky. My cars were in Cali for the winter, and although both of the cowl hoods had already been painted PEAK blue, it wasn't that big of a deal to get another one. Bernie C found several of them on the local Cali Craigslist for around $100. Rochester, NY Craigslist, not so much, lol.

I also had a flat one at home, but it wasn't worth the shipping cost. It was far better to trade it to a local SS/JA friend for a good 4 bolt block that's now in the wagon, lol.

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Hey Dan, are you going to the points meet at the Grove and if so what kind of "cake would you prefer. Lee and I will be there to see you get it.


Don

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Wow

The hoods are ok till 8/1/13
But after that they are illegal
So change them at midnight the end of July

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Hey Don, I wasn't sure about MG...but now I am!!! See you there!!!