What Race Oil do you trust?
 

Asking about Stocker Engines in this thread;
I have used Royal Purple 5w20 for the last few years. After being told time and again there are faster, better protecting oils out there, I'm now ready to look at some other avenues. What good experiences have you had with which companies?
I did try Redline 0-5 once also, it was faster than RP, but my particular engine smoked with it.
I know a bunch of guys preach the Joe Gibbs, but, I also know some of them supposedly said that their lifters wont pump up with it. True or False?

What's your opinions?

Wade O

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I've never had any oil related issues using Joe Gibbs XP0.
It is a few hundreths quicker for me than Mobil1 0W20.
Not sure if that is worth the extra cost$$$???

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15/40 rotella by shell

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Rotella Eastside 15-40 made in brockton,ma

Button on a fur coat racing . 1518 B/S

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Hahahaha! I think I just snotted!!! :D

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come on billy this is a techincal theard about oil lol

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Ok gene I use 5 quarts of wolf 5-30 u got a pm gene

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Wade, I have used Gibbs, but am back on RP. Gibbs zero weight, both times I have tried it, shined up a couple of rod bearings, and lost some teflon off my piston skirts. I'm not the only one here seeing that. RP never does that. Mine also picks up more on the track with zero weight ("Race9") RP than Gibbs. On the dyno RP zero weight was an instant 12hp over Gibbs breaking oil (BR30?) Never tested the two zero weight oils back-to- back on the dyno. I use RP 5W20 normally. Never tried Red Line.

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I run CAM2 Blue Blood 0w30 all the time, double-enter at big money bracket races, am notoriously bad about warming up the car, and only change it a few times a year. Haven't even added up the runs... but it's a lot. Used with K&N oil filters.

It's not silly go-fast oil, but it is a good protectant, and very consistent, with little to no break-in time. Typically just as fast on the first run as the 10th or 40th.

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I've been using Amsoil since 1999 and switched to their Dominator 5w-20 race oil when they came out with it a few years ago. Lots of zinc and have seen excellent wear characteristics. They have a variety of other viscosities to fit most needs.

No dyno comparisons yet, but I've had to turn down the idle a bit after draining a conventional break-in oil and adding their race synthetic.

The college I work at is getting an engine dyno this year. Hopefully I'll be able to have them do some comparisons as well as tuning.

http://www.amsoil.com/techservicesbu...t%20Tappet.pdf

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Brad Penn 10-30

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Brad Penn 15- 40 racing

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Thanks for all but one of the replies, (Monahan), not looking for a go fast oil, just something reliable. I have heard good things about the Amsoil. Anybody else running it besides Myron and having good luck?

Geno, after doing a 10 day stint, 3 years running, (BG points race thru US Nats), I've learned that your full of it, in a Brockton, Mass sort of way. Finish your Jamesons, black coffee and filterless cigarette and get back to work!


Wade

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Wade, Gene didn`t tell ya that`s the stuff he puts in the camper?

Gene,want some fries?

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Valvoline VR1 Racing oil 15W20

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Wade, Gulius is having us run it. ( Amsoil Dominator )
I believe it's his choice for all his customers.

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Brad Penn 20W50 ( but I do warm it well)

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we used to be 100%RP for a very long time switched over to JG several years ago
Joe Gibbs XP-1 in my SS car full time XP-2 full time in Beth and Tony's stockers have never looked back since
if you ever get to a performance trade show or a race that they are at spend a few minutes speaking to Lake Speed jr and you will be very enlightened

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I have used Special of the week oil- Pennzoil- Mobil 1-Pennzoil synthetic-Royal Purple over the years. I switched to the AMSOIL DOMINATOR 10-30 3 years ago. It saved me 2 motors from a pickup falling off in my dragster and a broke oil pump shaft in my camaro.

One other thing is consistency. Lot of oils will get quicker as they break in. Amsoil does not. It runs the same whether it's Fresh or has 100 passes on it.

Chip Johnson

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I used to use the Joe Gibbs XP-1 5-20. Never again. Extreme sludge created by this oil pluging oil filters. Just about cost me an engine. Now I use 10-30 Valvoline race oil. No issues and runs clean.

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I just started using the Amsoil Dominator Racing 10W30 this weekend after finishing with the break-in oil, Brad-Penn 30W. I've noticed that the oil pressure has increased over the conventional oil, so much that I may have to go to a 5W20 to keep the pressure down. I'll know more after the first change when I can compare each oil.

Lew

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This year I've mainly ran Valvoline 10-30 Vr1 conventional oil with great results. I cut apart my filter every 25 runs and saw hardly any material. 190+ runs so far this year changing it every 25 to 30 runs because it loses so much oil due to low ring tension (my fault).

Last year I used Royal Purple XPR 0-10 and it too worked awesome changing it every 50+ runs. 210+ runs last year on the engine and the bearings looked almost perfect. On top of that the Royal purple is a tenth faster in my engine.

Both oils are awesome and I recommend them to all*

*455 Pontiac Stock Eliminator Engine - The highest RPM it sees is 6100

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The Joe Gibbs oil does not deal with blow by, fuel, or moisture very well, it forms a nasty gray gelatinous sludge, as you described. Uncontaminated, it does fine for us, we use XP-2. I'm not convinced it is all that fast, and I've never had bearing problems with other oils, so I can't say the Joe Gibbs is doing any better.

Insiders with NASCAR teams tell me the Joe Gibbs oil does not get along with some of the various coatings, especially some of the DLC coatings. Having a DLC coating failure is catastrophic.

We saw a measurable HP loss with Valvoline 10W-30 race oil, compared to the thickest Joe Gibbs break in oil.

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I saw zero advantage to the Gibbs oil, never had bearing problems with anything else anyway. Did not like the sludge in the pan and oil filter, nor the loss of coating on the piston skirts. Some people love it. Had zero issues with RP, and "Race9" is the fastest I've found, so have changed back to RP 5 W 20 & the 009 for heads-ups. With no sludge, no wear, and fastest I have found, I see no reason to change. What is another oil going to do better?
Actually had zero problems with Mobile1 with Comp Cams break in additive added.

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We also use Mobil 1 with the Comp Cams break in additive with no sludge or wear issues.

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Bob, same here when our friend (rip) ran the JG xp2 he would use it for class then drain it. I had some with 3 runs on it poured it into the motor left a lot of sludge at the bottom of the jug. gsa612

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I've been told that sludge is part of the oil that just "fell out of suspension". Not really sludge. (It is very slippery) And that it "mixes back up when running".

Don't care, don't want it in the bottom of my pan.

I still break mine in with BR30, but drain it right after running it. Don't allow it to sit and seperate, if the BR30 even does that. Have not tried to find out if it does.

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I'm no expert, for sure, but I wonder if piston speed is a factor, too.

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There was a good post on speedtalk a while back about VR1, and a guy on there who
is a independent oil analist/engineer tested 50 top oils for lack of wear #1 ding ding ding
Pennzoil Platinum, then amsoil dominator then lucas racing oil!!! Now with real world
racing experience i will say there are quite a few oils that perform well for anti wear that
are not fast but will keep your stuff alive. As far as fast oils you got Royal purple, Red line
Gibbs, Lucas and im sure some others, one thing i tried that was reasonably fast was
using 4qts of kendall conventional 5/20 with 16oz of lucas breakin additive. I have used some of the other high ranked anti wear oils with good success for keeping stuff alive
but performance suffered considerably, i can say for sure that there is a solid .15 to .20
from best to worst.

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I had the same, grey sludge with the RP 5w20, both the reg and XPR, didnt matter. It never would "mix" back in. When we first built the car and were hammering on the engine, we had it out often and found the same thing everytime. I would clean in out completely and find it again the next time.

Good discussion guys, what have some of the rest of you found?

I know the Gibbs is common in SS, any lifter pump up issues with the thinner weights in Stock?

Wade

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Used Red Line 20w synthetic race oil for last two years until I won the stock/super stock race at Maple Grove and Jeff Kundratic gave me a buy one/get one on some Lucas Race oil (10w30 conventional) that I put in the car for the Dutch. I heard you had to change Gibbs very often, I usually change my filter every 2-3 races and the oil 2-3 times a year or every 20 runs.

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Bobby or anyone else I just bought some Redline 20W. Always ran Mobil 1 before. Has this been a good oil for those that had used it. Got Gibbs break in oil in it now. Hoping to make a pass soon. Lol

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If you ant to get a definite argument started amongst racer's, just ask what is the best oil to use and then sit back and listen to all the different stories.
I guess,I, like most people have tried every oil mixture and additive that has showed up on the market. At one point, I prided myself at being an excellent mixer of all those additives. Man I became a grade A mixer. But in the past few years and after some stinging words from Lake Speed Jr, I have come to realize I am not a Chemist. I have learned to stay away from "moly" additives, either added or in the oil to begin with. "Moly will indeed blind most all oil filters. The finer the mesh, the more the blind. Also, it may or may not go into suspension with todays oils. I have also found it to separate out from the base oil once not in motion. Once separated out, very hard to get it back into suspension. I, like many on this site, have come to understand , that we must start a new engine on the best formulation of break in oil you can get. Again, I stay away from additives as mentioned earlier. Break in oil must be full of zinc anti-wear and anti-scuff additives so as to promote good ring seal and give protection for items that are rubbing, such as lifters. Break in oil should never have friction modifiers in it. This will indeed inhibit ring seal. A good break in oil will have different burn off rates of the zinc too provide needed protection for lifters and bearings and then burn off slowly so that rings can seal--and this is a definite hard line to keep within boundaries. Once your breakin oil has performed its job and you deem it time to go to racing oils and or to high performance oils, then I look for oil that has super friction modifiers to reduce friction and heat. Of course a good oil will have many more additives to perform certain task. You have oils that make you go fast but you give up some reliability and you have oils that increases reliability and gives up speed. Take your pick. If you build an engine with the notorious .001 per inch specs, then most of us run too thin an oil for reliability. Again our decision to run on kill or not. One thing I am certain of is that I never put moly of any type on lifters and or cams. Most cam companies have begun to move away from this so as not to have moly "clash". Moly seems to clash with many oil additives in todays oil.
Hey my two cents worth and not meaning to disrupt any one's thoughts.
reed

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If you are having to use additives with the oil you are using then you are not using the correct oil to begin with.

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Mobil1 and additive is cheaper and worked just fine in mine.

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What everyone needs to do is read the article on speedtalk as it will enlighten you, if your
adding additives you got the wrong oil? I think not, and stay away from moly? almost every
good race oil has moly in it including Joe Gibbs, it says so right on the bottle.
It is the type of moly that matters, it has to be soluble moly in liquid form not powdered moly disulfide. the
oil you buy packaged has a certain amount of zinc-phosphorus-moly and other antiwear
antifriction materials in it, does that absolutely mean it cant be better I dont think so. the oil
companies have to make money on this stuff and the additive package is the bigger expense
not the base oil. Think about it Gibbs wasnt marketing oil til a few years ago do
you think they just used mobil one and said i think there could be something better, they

were adding additives and found something and decided to start marketing oil. Right
now there are prostock guys playing with shelf racing oil and putting there own "secret"
blend of additives in and giving to stocker guys and its supposedly worth .10, i havent
tried it but can tell you there are serious differences in the commercially available race
oils you can buy, check out the article on speedtalk and look at the ratio of additives that
they list and see how your favorite oil placed and who is at the top and how much of each
additive they had.

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Also what Ed said post #35 very true!!!!

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Ron, welcome to the discussion, I new you would have some ideas, too.

Wade

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Ron
I totally agree on Moly. I am sorry if I came across about Moly being in oil. My purpose was to say, I do not add any Moly. The oil companies know what needs to be added to make their oil work and many use Moly but for me to add Moly is wrong in that it may clash with what they already have in it. Yes I have seen people mix their on additives and as I stated, you can make it go faster or last longer. It is a fine line to walk.
Ed, you can be correct in mixing Mobil 1 and your additive for yourself but I have torn down many engines with terrible consequences from playing Chemist. Some will work and some will not but I myself will not build an engine and tell them to mix themself. If you tell them to add one additive, then it has to be better if you add two,,right.
reed

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I'm with Ed. Mobil 1 is not only a quality motor oil, it is a whole lot cheaper than some of the other racing oils, so you can change it more often if you chose to do so. I spoke to a Mobil engineer about a year or so ago and he stated that you should not have to run an additive with any Mobil 1 Synthetic oil if you are running a flat tappet camshaft. I use the Comp Cams additive to provide me a higher degree of confidence when it comes to wear. Maybe I am wasting my money but, we have had no issues with the oil/additive combination we use.