NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

Aug 20, the rules set for the new Shootout; on June 18, 2012, and the rules change Aug 20 ,2012. Added 100 lbs to the Challenger, and a .400 pro tree ( which is ok), but even a fat guy like me can't gain 100 lbs in 60 days even eating the Cajun Food 6 times a day. I guess the Ford guys got what they wanted. Jessee Kershaw (Ford HP Guy and a good guy), you got more than I thought. You really got the political power with NHRA no matter how many Funny Cars, Pro Stock and more support Mopar has, you got the upper hand with the official car of NHRA. Mopar has been denied a blower, a three speed transmission, (which Ford and Chevy) have, and a 426 block to compete with the 428 Ford and the 427 Chevy, (we have a 392), so I guess we just suck hind ***. And this ain't about the old car vs. the new cars. I have proposed since 2009 that the cars older than 2008 be reduced by 5% accross the board, but to no avail. I love the old cars. I sold them during the height of the Muscle Car era. I even like Ford and Chevy people. They ain't so bad, just misled. This just astounds me that NHRA would just add 100 lbs in a new class they are trying to get going, thru creating another Mustang shootout like ADRL. Somebody please give me a logical explanation for this so I can at least drive to Bowling Green and not run over somebody for driving a Ford. Help me please.

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

Wow! I am against this new rule and I've raced all or them. I had a new 409 back then, then raced Dodges in '64-5 (those days were fun) and now race a N/SS Ford Thunderbolt and prepping a new 5.0. But I can't see why the Mopars can't run a 3 speed or a supercharger. Fair is Fair!

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

Hey Jeff, (Mike Crutchfield D2 SRAC Rep) announced a couple of weeks ago:
"In 2013 it will be OK for anyone running a 3 speed automatic transmission to run a 2 speed trans and if you have a 2 speed you will be able to run a 3 speed. Your option ( this was previously passed for super stock in my last update for 2013)".
Doesn't that include the Dodges? Jim


.

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

I want a Blower TOO!

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

Simply amazing they would change the rules at this point. .400 pro tree is going to change the game as well but it's almost like telling Dodge to stay on the porch for this one.

Here's the revised rules...

http://www.nhraracer.com/content/gen...075&zoneid=132

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

I agree Mr. Jeff! Cannot change the rules this close to the game. Even though I am currently wheeling a CJ, totally bogus change for the V10. And what the hay is up with a pro tree???? Do they want folks in stock to be like the hemi guys and just show up for the shootout and leave? Talk about throw your driving off! We were still considering to run in it, but now they are making less enticing! May have to let Joey beat me up in BB again! See you guys there.

Brett Candies
4192 Stock/SS

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

The three speed rule applies next year.

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

Just like Sports Car Racing in the US! He who whines the loudest and last gets the last change before the race. There needs to be a rule that there are no rule changes 15 days before the start of a race.

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

Ford built their car and was the first of the new generation drag cars. It is not Fords fault that Mopar didn't build a Drag Pack with a blower and a 3 speed auto or speced them out that way. NHRA didn't give the Fords that. Ford built the CJs that way and speced them that way. You want a 3 speed and a blower you have a few options to choose from. Maybe next year Mopar will give you a third. Your beef should be with Mopar not NHRA(or Ford).

As for the 100# that hurt! That surprised me. I feel for you guys in the V10 cars to get hit with 100# before a race ever happened. Perhaps they(NHRA) based it off of some performance numbers they have acquired?? I don't like them(NHRA) hanging 100# on anyone this close to the race. The pro-tree? I love that everything should be pro-tree but that's me.

I seriously doubt it was due to your suggested Jesse Kershaw lobbying for a rule change. That really doesn't look good on your part to come in blasting one of the sponsors of the site as well as a big supporter of Drag Racing advancement programs.

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

Can we run our transmission adapter - which came on the car from the factory - so we can use a ProTrans 3spd - the same converter and same driveshaft?
Or
Do we need to loose the crank shaft extension - change the converter, change the drive shaft and use a transmission with a different bolt pattern?

I guess showing we might just be competitive did not help (we cannot beat the fastest blown CJs).

We will save our money for the real western swing - Vegas, Vegas, Vegas and Pomona

Ron

BTW my money is on a "light weight V8 drag pak - 675 lbs is a lot

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

http://nhra.com/assets/footersponsor...official_b.gif



Nuff Said

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

I think the NA guys are really going to be right there in the thick of things. Like you said a 575-675 pounds is a lot and those engines are making some serious power also.

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

I don't have a dog in this fight, but it certainly doesn't appear the faster CJs need any help. What a deal.

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

That was an "Accounting Department" rule change. Those with the Gold make the rules!! It is nothing personal just business.

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

Nothing different than what's gone on in recent years. Money talks and nothing else matters with NHRA.

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

A heads up .4 pro tree is kind of stupid for this Show Down class, it should be at least a .5 Pro tree. Super Street has a .5 Pro tree because of the weight of the cars and they don't have to weigh anything close the factory cars. Also, Unless you have a trans brake in an automatic trans, you'll not stand a chance against a good clutch car. What is NHRA thinking now? Maybe they are going to allow trans brakes in stock because of this Show Down class. It's also a step towards ADRL rules with pro trees.
NHRA can mess up a wet dream without even trying!!

Casey Miles
248H "F" NHRA Stock

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

What usually happens when a different sanctioning body (ADRL) wants to run a class very similar to NHRA rules on a NHRA sanctioned track? I think I remember something about Pro Mod Fuel specs at Houston a year or two ago. I think NHRA basically penalized 1 type of car from running more Nitro because NHRA didn’t like the parity. ADRL almost didn’t have a race because of it.
I’m just wondering if more than 6 cars show up for this thing at Indy, can NHRA now dictate how ADRL does things with the wt breaks in the SCS? Forgive me, I am clueless, so please don’t curse me out.


www.dragracingonline.com/analysis/x_2-war-1.html

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

OK, I gotcha. Brain fart! Jim

.

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

Do you have to race this class? Or can you run AA, BB,CC, Etc.?
If the rules are such as you can win don't run the class. No reason to run a class with a stiff index just to lose. And maybe not get to race on raceday.
I really know nothing about this but that makes sense to me.

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

Art, you are right, and I'm sure if nothing changes we will be in BB or CC. We are unloading the car right now, and putting it on the scales and see what we can do. Mark you probably feel like I did with my 69 6-Pak everytime I rolled up against a 396. I got no help or sympathy from anyone. It did pretty wheel stand pictures though. That is why I proposed a 5% reduction for all older than 2008. Easy to do on Excel from what people with a higher grade level tell me.

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

The only reason to run a class where you have no chance is make one run for NHRA's database to prove you can't run the numbers and maybe they will adjust the weight breaks down the road. If no one in a DP makes a run, then I'd bet they leave the breaks where they are now.

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

What Mark said.

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

I'm not sure if I agree with that. I stated some time back that even though some of the cj's have been in the 8.90's, they are now going to have to add 3 to 4 hundred pounds to their cars from what they weighed in AA or AAA. That will slow them down 3 to 4 tenths, plus change the whole set up of the car. The V-10's seem to be in the 9.20 range now, so by adding 100lbs that looks to me like it would even things up somewhat and I don't believe it is changing their set up near as much. just my .02 cents worth.
Chuck

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

Now you all know how I felt in the mid nineties when the lt-1' s came out and where killing my little 67 camaro with a glide. But it is amazing how I tried for 20 years to get a three speed approved for my 67 camaro with no approval. But now that the new cars dodges need them to be equal with the fords and chevy's it gets approved.
Politics in NHRA Amazing.

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

x 3

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

Typing error being corrected to reflect 3475 for V10. Thanks

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

That is lighter than what my old max wedge used to weigh!

But to keep it on topic, the rule change all of the sudden does seem unfair

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

Mr. Jeff,

You have to keep in mind that Ford is NHRA's favorite! It's all about the non-for-profit politics!

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

To the guys on this thread complaining about the dp's, doesnt nhra give yall the chance to go up or down a class? If so why dont yall and get away from all the bad a@# dp's? Im just asking cuz i know we have switched classes to help fellow racers that we did not want to bump heads with. Seems like that would be the easy fix instead of beating the dead horse. Go to g/sa i can all most promise you that there will be no dp's there!

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

i know my fathers car is a natural f/sa car. So we can run e/sa, f/sa, and g/sa. Im not sure about the rest. Hope this helped.

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

Mark, the 360 DP is at 310 HP with a break of 10.32 ... D, E & F
The 352 Stang is at 312 with a break of 10.43 ... D, E & F
The 302 is at 325 with a break of 9.91

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

That is correct ... your 69 breaks at 10.47 with is a natural E car, my 68 breaks at 10.58 which is a natural F car .. but you already knew that ..

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

yes i forgot that the last hp hit took us out of g/sa. So we are an e/sa car now but we can barely get to max weight for e/sa plus there is already a dp in e/sa. With a 6'4" 280lb driver we cant get to d/sa. Lol

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

Well, at least that sounds somewhat more equal but what about the .400 tree out of the blue? Seems like unfair advantage for the 3 speed cars...plus the FS/S cars will run class using a pro tree and then eliminator using a full tree? I would claim foul on that one even if I had a trans brake and 3 speed...

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

That's like comparing a small hill with Mt. Everest.

Why reduce the HP on 95% of the cars instead of raising the other 5%?

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

Makes too much sense.

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

Why reduce the HP on 95% of the cars instead of raising the other 5%?[/QUOTE]

Because the 95% are the ones complaining. So fix the ones that complaing. =) Plus it's all done by excel so it's just as easy to do 95% as it is to do the 5%.

Just like we are not asking to take away the three speeds from the CJ's and COPO's, we are asking to give us one!

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

Your on-the-scene reporter has unraveled the problem. First it's fixed, Thanks NHRA. On May 9, a proposal for the Shootout was done and sent to the manufactureres. The weight was 3575, which was too much. After discussions, it was reduced to 3475 and posted on the tech site on June 18. When the adddition of the pro tree and a couple of other things were done, the weights from May 9 were picked up instead of June 18. Mystery solved. My blood pressure has now returned. Perhaps I overacted a bit, but I am pleased to announce it was handled poste haste (thats right now for you non-belivers). Now as far as the other age old discussions on here, they are like crabgrass, just won't go away. Next year we (and anyone else) have the three speed, so that is good. I had a good discussion with Glen Gray and Bruce Bachelder of NHRA as well as numerous e-mails with Pat in California. I ruffled some feathers for which I apologize. Maybe I was too involved in trying to get 5 cars to BG and Indy, and get over the martinis I was having when my son called and said we got 100 lbs added. The problem is fixed and the communication lines are wide open. Thanks.

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

Hopkins ran in C/SA with his 13 Mustang/5.0 at BIR

Re: NHRA Changes the Rules Today
 

Good news for the Mopar camp! Maybe they'll get off the porch and play with the big dogs now???
Still disagree with the pro tree thing though. Makes no sense at all. How are they going to qualify? Run with the stockers on .5 full tree, then you have to run a .4 full tree for the class, then revert back to .5 full tree for eliminations? Total nonsense! Way overthought! :confused:
Anyway, see you guys there!

Brett Candies
4192 Stock/SS