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STK1217 04-04-2012 07:07 PM

BBC Iron heads
 
I know this is not a stocker project but the question is for the BBC stock guys(or anybody who might know). I'm trying to find out the best (IYO)flowing factory iron oval port head with a gasket match-clean up the pockets and 2.19&1.88 valves, cam lift in the ..500 to .600 range,nothing special (open or closed chamber). It's for a 6000 rpm 454 street engine in a 3500lb car. Thanks Mario.

1320racer 04-04-2012 08:58 PM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
215 semi closed chamber.

I ran these heads on a pump gas 468 from '95 to 2007 and each time the engine was freshened, the heads were massaged a little more. Ultimately going from a 2.19/1.88 valves to a 2.25 intake valve. Best numbers in my 3880 lb. footbrake launched Chevelle were 1.28 60 foot and 10.07 @ 131.

http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/o...DSC00693-1.jpg

http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/o...r/Atco07-1.jpg

STK1217 04-05-2012 02:39 PM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
Nice ride 1320 and thanks for the reply.

HP HUNTER 04-05-2012 10:08 PM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by STK1217 (Post 319746)
I know this is not a stocker project but the question is for the BBC stock guys(or anybody who might know). I'm trying to find out the best (IYO)flowing factory iron oval port head with a gasket match-clean up the pockets and 2.19&1.88 valves, cam lift in the ..500 to .600 range,nothing special (open or closed chamber). It's for a 6000 rpm 454 street engine in a 3500lb car. Thanks Mario.

I would say either a 049 or 781 head would be best. We have been 9.50s @ 3630 pounds, 1.29 60 foot on a 10.7 comp 496.

larry asa 04-06-2012 12:07 AM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
049 small plug head is the best. late 69 ones
Larry

STK1217 04-07-2012 06:02 PM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
Thanks HP and Larry- Most people agree with you- 049 and 781's. Thanks Mario.

1320racer 04-07-2012 10:37 PM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
I'll take a small chamber requiring little to no dome to achieve a specific compression ratio over a large chamber requiring a big dome to achieve the same compression every time.

FYI, through the end of the 2007 season when I retired my 468, there wasn't one 468 with 049/781 heads installed in a similar weight Chevelle, competing in Division 1 brackets that could run on par with my ride no mind quicker.

Matter of fact, my Chevelle ran quicker than EVERY n/a 454, 496, 502, GM's 720HP 572 and most 540's regardless of which head they ran, in a similar Chevelle here in Division 1 brackets, just saying.

BTW, the devil is in the details and the performance that HP Hunter speaks of also comes by way of a $6,000 Coan XLT 350 trans backing up that 496.;)

Just saying.:D

HP HUNTER 04-07-2012 11:37 PM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 320355)
I'll take a small chamber requiring little to no dome to achieve a specific compression ratio over a large chamber requiring a big dome to achieve the same compression every time.

FYI, through the end of the 2007 season when I retired my 468, there wasn't one 468 with 049/781 heads installed in a similar weight Chevelle, competing in Division 1 brackets that could run on par with my ride no mind quicker.

Matter of fact, my Chevelle ran quicker than EVERY n/a 454, 496, 502, GM's 720HP 572 and most 540's regardless of which head they ran, in a similar Chevelle here in Division 1 brackets, just saying.

BTW, the devil is in the details and the performance that HP Hunter speaks of also comes by way of a $6,000 Coan XLT 350 trans backing up that 496.;)

Just saying.:D

The trans cost 3000.00, just saying. I think my 10.5 comp 454 with a .560 lift flattappet and 049s @ 3720 would have run right with your 68 in the same conditions. BTW Johns red bull should run 9.3s when he gets it dialed. Just got off the dyno with Bob West's engine, can you say 1.2 60s in his 29.00 baro? :eek:

HP HUNTER 04-07-2012 11:43 PM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 320355)
I'll take a small chamber requiring little to no dome to achieve a specific compression ratio over a large chamber requiring a big dome to achieve the same compression every time.

FYI, through the end of the 2007 season when I retired my 468, there wasn't one 468 with 049/781 heads installed in a similar weight Chevelle, competing in Division 1 brackets that could run on par with my ride no mind quicker.

Matter of fact, my Chevelle ran quicker than EVERY n/a 454, 496, 502, GM's 720HP 572 and most 540's regardless of which head they ran, in a similar Chevelle here in Division 1 brackets, just saying.

BTW, the devil is in the details and the performance that HP Hunter speaks of also comes by way of a $6,000 Coan XLT 350 trans backing up that 496.;)

Just saying.:D

Ed, forgot one thing here, my customer ran consistant 9.70s in his full weight small tire nova at Atco for two years strait with my 049 heads. 505 CID.

1320racer 04-08-2012 07:17 AM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
I didn't forget anything, you forgot to be truthfull AGAIN in another post whose sole intent is to solicit business.

FYI, that trans sells for $4,000 - $5,000 USED...

http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...light=Coan+XLT

http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...light=Coan+XLT

http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...light=Coan+XLT

That said, don't know, don't care who your customer is, "what is full weight" and "I think" is meaningless speculation, besides it appears no one in your area has ever seen your car run, no mind back up your claims...

Per Mark Guthrie, a guy that first met HP Hunter aka Mark Jones in 2007, knows him well, and "helped him in his shops for months", "Mark has talked about his "3600 lb. Chevelle" dozens of times. I have never seen him run any of his cars, ever and I am just saying none of the locals have seen it."


Meanwhile, Bob's Chevelle runs good, it should, it's nearly 300 lbs. lighter than my '68 and has nearly 40 more cubes and I've been advising him for over a decade.;)

Again, nice to see that after 5 years, some have caught up and some have surpassed my former Chevelle's performance as is the case with the car HP Hunter speaks of, even if it took 30+ more cubes, a light weight, low drag transmission in a car that weighs nearly 300 lbs. less and last but not least a -1600' DA to do it!

Just saying.;)

BTW, the compression ratio of this 496 is at least 10.8 not the 10.7 you stated.

Just keeping it real.:D

HP HUNTER 04-08-2012 08:35 AM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 320399)
I didn't forget anything, you forgot to be truthfull AGAIN in another post whose sole intent is to solicit business.

FYI, that trans sells for $4,000 - $5,000 USED...

http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...light=Coan+XLT

http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...light=Coan+XLT

http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...light=Coan+XLT

That said, don't know, don't care who your customer is, "what is full weight" and "I think" is meaningless speculation, besides it appears no one in your area has ever seen your car run, no mind back up your claims...

Per Mark Guthrie, a guy that first met HP Hunter aka Mark Jones in 2007, knows him well, and "helped him in his shops for months", "Mark has talked about his "3600 lb. Chevelle" dozens of times. I have never seen him run any of his cars, ever and I am just saying none of the locals have seen it."


Meanwhile, Bob's Chevelle runs good, it should, it's nearly 300 lbs. lighter than my '68 and has nearly 40 more cubes and I've been advising him for over a decade.;)

Again, nice to see that after 5 years, some have caught up and some have surpassed my former Chevelle's performance as is the case with the car HP Hunter speaks of, even if it took 30+ more cubes, a light weight, low drag transmission in a car that weighs nearly 300 lbs. less and last but not least a -1600' DA to do it!

Just saying.;)

BTW, the compression ratio of this 496 is at least 10.8 not the 10.7 you stated.

Just keeping it real.:D

My chevelle that you refer too, weighs 3720, ran 10.10 @ 5320 feet DA with a 27.45 Baro with a 118 grains of water the first full pass down the track with a standard weight trans, just facts. Johns trans is the 3000.00 version that Coan sells,

his car weighs 3615-3630, just facts, the second time John took the redbull out in some + 2000 feet DA with some more tuning the same exact MPH was run, as in the negative 500 feet DA of the afternoon runs a few months ago. And finally, Bob West's chevelle weighs 3680. Just keepin it real, and the facts strait. Ive allways been a big fan of your chevelle, Im really not sure why you have the burning desire to compare my stuff to yours. I think when you look at 40 Coupe, Bob West, John Wilson, and my own chevelle, the performance speaks for its self. BTW, I dont need any more buisness.

1320racer 04-08-2012 08:49 AM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
it's YOU and team clueless that always compare your stuff to my former ride who's best numbers were run 5 years ago and sold nearly 4 years ago.


http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/o...r/P1010003.jpg

HP HUNTER 04-08-2012 09:01 AM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 320414)
it's YOU and team clueless that always compare your stuff to my former ride who's best numbers were run 5 years ago and sold nearly 4 years ago.


http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/o...r/P1010003.jpg

Nice picture!:)Really no reason to compare, were just simply much faster.

1320racer 04-08-2012 09:15 AM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
who's "were"? :rolleyes:

YOU ain't much faster, in fact slower and again, it's YOU that is trying to prove something, chasing the performance of a car that I sold 4 years ago...

http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/o...r/p1010004.jpg


that never was built to run in the 9's, hence no rollcage, though it did, with a restrictor plate having 1 1/4" bores under it's 4150 carb...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbKYio6OvKM

it also ran 137 MPH.;)

meanwhile let me know when you and team cluless run in the 8's, run 150+MPH and 60 foot 1 teens no mind a 1.17.;)

HP HUNTER 04-08-2012 09:24 AM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 320418)
who's "were"? :rolleyes:

You ain't much faster and again, it's YOU that is trying to prove something, chasing the performance of a car that I sold 4 years ago...

http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/o...r/p1010004.jpg


that never was built to run in the 9's, hence no rollcage, though it did, with a restrictor plate having 1 1/4" bores under it's 4150 carb...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbKYio6OvKM

it also ran 137 MPH.;)

meanwhile let me know when you and team cluless run in the 8's, run 150+MPH and 60 foot 1 teens no mind a 1.17.;)

How about low eights on a ten inch tire @ 3350, maybe you forgot about those two strait championships in Hot street as an engine builder, 10 inch tire, all motor, NA, heads up racing. I was thinking, you should come over to team clueless, we could use a guy to get under there and make those chassis adjustments.:D

1320racer 04-08-2012 09:26 AM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
again, YOU ain't done anything and more claims you can't back up.

Save your claims and sales pitches for team clueless. I ain't impressed and could easily out run team clueless's mascot with the same cubes, backed too with a $6,000 trans, at the same weight and in -1600DA air.

HP HUNTER 04-08-2012 09:36 AM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 320420)
again, YOU ain't done anything and more claims you can't back up.

Save your claims and sales pitches for team clueless. I ain't impressed and could easily out run team clueless's mascot with the same cubes, backed too with a $6,000 trans, at the same weight and in -1600DA air.

Come on Ed, you couldnt run any better than a 9.89 @ 134 with a 522 inch aftermarket race gas engine in that chevelle in - 2000 feet air, meanwhile Team Clueless, 9.50s first full pass down the track with a pump gas GM oval port, production blocked 496, Just sayin.:D

1320racer 04-08-2012 09:41 AM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
misinformation, half truths and LIES just as all your claims and wilson's posts about his car/combo(s)

Again, I could easily out run team clueless's mascot with the same cubes, backed too with a $6,000 trans, at the same weight and in -1600DA air.

HP HUNTER 04-08-2012 09:43 AM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 320423)
misinformation, half truths and LIES just as all your claims and wilson's posts

Does this mean your not coming over to Team Clueless? LOL:D

HP HUNTER 04-08-2012 09:54 AM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 320423)
misinformation, half truths and LIES just as all your claims and wilson's posts about his car/combo(s)

Again, I could easily out run team clueless's mascot with the same cubes, backed too with a $6,000 trans, at the same weight and in -1600DA air.

You couldnt do it with a 522 inch aftermarket race gas engine, 9.89 @ 134 in negative 2000 feet air, with atleast a whole year of dial time, my pump gas oval port 496 looks pretty darn good to me right now, 9.50s first time out. Just facts........:D

1320racer 04-08-2012 11:49 AM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
yea, we always have negative 2000' air in June at ETown.:rolleyes:

Like I already stated, misinformation, half truths and LIES is what your posts are all about.

HP HUNTER 04-08-2012 12:16 PM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 320450)
yea, we always have negative 2000' air in June at ETown.:rolleyes:

Like I already stated, misinformation, half truths and LIES is what your posts are all about.

You ran that 522 in there for quite a while, in good and bad air, your the one that allways posts the proof video-9.89 134 race gas aftermarket 522. LOL LOL AW AW:eek:

1320racer 04-08-2012 12:28 PM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
here you go, 2 months earlier than the ETown run on June 15(video) at Island dragway whose actual elevation is nearly 500 feet above sea level. Note as well the weather stats, DA, fresh oil and that I had 8 turns in my restrictor plate with each turn being worth .04 in ET. FYI that run like all my runs in competition was DEEP staged too. .09 quicker in all the incrementals shallow staged meaning it's a 9.80 pass. Now open up the restrictor plate and it's at least a 9.50 pass at 3870 lbs, with 26 more cubes backed by a nothing special $1,100 turbo400 and in 2,700' air!:p

http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/o...scan0002-2.jpg

HP HUNTER 04-08-2012 12:58 PM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 320456)
here you go, 2 months earlier than the ETown run on June 15(video) at Island dragway whose actual elevation is nearly 500 feet above sea level. Note as well the weather stats, DA, fresh oil and that I had 8 turns in my restrictor plate with each turn being worth .04 in ET. FYI that run like all my runs in competition was DEEP staged too. .09 quicker in all the incrementals shallow staged meaning it's a 9.80 pass. Now open up the restrictor plate and it's at least a 9.50 pass at 3870 lbs, with 26 more cubes backed by a nothing special $1,100 turbo400 and in 2,700' air!:p

http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/o...scan0002-2.jpg

Ed, thanks for posting that time slip. lol

1320racer 04-09-2012 07:57 AM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HP HUNTER (Post 320454)
You ran that 522 in there for quite a while

The TRUTH is I ran the 522 in my former Chevelle for 7 months in 2008, restricting it to run 10.0x in competition and never ran it in -1600' air :rolleyes: nor with the restrictor plate fully open.:p

Jeff Lee 04-09-2012 02:26 PM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
Again, 1320 racer dominates an entire thread with p**** envy syndrome on a topic that doesn't even remotely relate to Class Racing. Shouldn't all of this Mr. Admin be relegated to "The Lounge"?

1320racer 04-09-2012 02:33 PM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
Mr.Lee, the op asked a question of a group he believes knows best yet you want it dismiss his question and relegate it to "The Lounge" because you deemed it doesn't even remotely relate to Class Racing. Way to go, another example of that elitest attitude that some, thankfully not all class racers demonstrate..:rolleyes:

Kenny Wigington 04-09-2012 08:38 PM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
Geez, you 2, really ? You could have left it at your original answers, and maybe someone else would have offered the guy more info, for his ORIGINAL question. You 2 should go to the friggin restroom , so you can "compare" yourselves !

1320racer 04-09-2012 09:34 PM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
this reply surely helped the op.:rolleyes:

HP HUNTER 04-09-2012 09:47 PM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 320695)
this reply surely helped the op.:rolleyes:

Ed, I believe both of us gave the OP our perspective on the best flowing oval port head. I never remember the OP asking any further questions, now if he has them, feel free to ask them, I work with these heads every week.

Jeff Lee 04-10-2012 12:25 AM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 320607)
Mr.Lee, the op asked a question of a group he believes knows best yet you want it dismiss his question and relegate it to "The Lounge" because you deemed it doesn't even remotely relate to Class Racing. Way to go, another example of that elitest attitude that some, thankfully not all class racers demonstrate..:rolleyes:

"elitist"? Now that's the kettle black! I'm under the impression your the King of BBC's and Chevelle's!
I believe the Lounge is for the discussion of non-class racer issues. Clearly, nothing in this thread involves anything remotely associated with class racing. Nothing. Frankly, many are wondering why you have the need to prove your racing prowess on a forum that does not involve your particular class of racing? What is it, did you get kicked off all the "I've got the fastest fastest Chevelle" forums and now want to impress all the NHRA / IHRA Class racers?
Six years ago, while you were running your 468 CI 4150 Holley equipped Chevelle in the low tens. I was running mid tens with a 4300 Autolite on top of a AMC 390 with a .457" hydraulic cam. NHRA Stock legal. A Rambler engine.
So your 78 cubic inches and 300 +/- CFM carb on a BBC doesn't impress me much. Or many others.

rustbucket79 04-10-2012 01:04 AM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
OH SNAP!!

BTW, there is a bracket racing thread at the bottom of the list of forums for us non "class" guys. :D

novassdude 04-10-2012 10:17 AM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
The original question was fine I feel for this board. It is all the off topic bull$$ that belongs in the lounge.

SSGN 04-10-2012 09:31 PM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
Should be more opinions over here because class racers aren't bracket racers :rolleyes:

Kevin

bobby 05-01-2012 03:22 PM

Re: BBC Iron heads
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 319773)
215 semi closed chamber.

I ran these heads on a pump gas 468 from '95 to 2007 and each time the engine was freshened, the heads were massaged a little more. Ultimately going from a 2.19/1.88 valves to a 2.25 intake valve. Best numbers in my 3880 lb. footbrake launched Chevelle were 1.28 60 foot and 10.07 @ 131.

http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/o...DSC00693-1.jpg

http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/o...r/Atco07-1.jpg

I have a set of these heads for sale. Not sure if any work has been done on them as we bought them on a running engine a spun a bearing. Havn't had the heads apart.


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