Rules for Class Championship on NHRA
 

Can't wait for the comments.

Re: Rules for Class Championship on NHRA
 

You feel the need to start a new thread and you don't even post a link?!! Geez. :)

http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=38528


-Toby

Re: Rules for Class Championship on NHRA
 

Six of the nine stock 'class' national events are at the end of the season?!

Re: Rules for Class Championship on NHRA
 

This is a year late but I thought the main problem was too many single runs getting easy money was causing sponsors to pull out as well as making class elims less enjoyable to watch. So they did away with single runs and made combos, and as sad as I was about that, I knew that it was the right thing to do and a way to make sponsors and spectators who like watching class runs happier. But why did they have to create combos AND pull the money (aside from indy and Jegs nats)? Couldn't they do one or the other? Keep single runs and pull the money, or run the combos and pay the money?

Regardless, it would have been an admirable gesture by NHRA if they could have stepped up to the plate and started offering some money to class winners.

Re: Rules for Class Championship on NHRA
 

If they don't like singles, stop separating the stick and auto's!

Re: Rules for Class Championship on NHRA
 

“As times have changed, the changes that were made to the Class Eliminations program last year is what allowed it to continue,” said Scooter Brothers, chairman of the SEMA Board of Directors and chief operating officer, Comp Cams. “It is now a more viable program for the manufacturers and it allows these companies to find a reason to get involved.”

I am glad the "more viable program" allowed these companies to "find" a reason to get involved. I may even "find" a reason to keep doing business with some of the companies that have done the most bi*&hing about contigency payouts. But I doubt it.

At least the points are equal now.

Re: Rules for Class Championship on NHRA
 

Exactly.

Re: Rules for Class Championship on NHRA
 

x2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Rules for Class Championship on NHRA
 

Toby

Jeff would have posted a link but all of the grandkids went home early.

Re: Rules for Class Championship on NHRA
 

The best thing that could happen is if everybody running an AUTOMATIC switched to a STICK-problem solved. Wouldn't it be cool to see guys like Fletcher, Biondo, DeFrank etc. banging gears...just a thought...lol :cool:

Re: Rules for Class Championship on NHRA
 

Toby, page 7, under my 'Wishes' thing, No 2 is that Toby Lang would show me how to do stuff like that. Is that what you call an upload? And yes, all my grandkids are gone for now (13, ages 13 yrs to one month). I didn't see anything about the payments, but I know Scooter was trying to advance the program. Singles now get the same points.

Re: Rules for Class Championship on NHRA
 

If there are 2 cars in a class,the winner gets 85 points.

If there are 16 cars in a class,the winner gets 85 points.

Glad I am not a class contender,because that doesn't seem logical.

Re: Rules for Class Championship on NHRA
 

In the event of a rain out the winner gets full points, what about the others? If none, would one rain out win provide a huge lead?

Re: Rules for Class Championship on NHRA
 

Sounds like if you want to win the title you need to build two oddball cars that run the same oddball class That way you race your two cars against each other get max points run all the races that have class and you would have a perfect score.

There really needs some kind of small points added per round won to make it more fair.

Just my opionion.

Re: Rules for Class Championship on NHRA
 

Thats been in the tiebreakers

Re: Rules for Class Championship on NHRA
 

Be sure to ask what awards are to be given. If you are going to seriously chase this "prize", you ought to know what you win.

It may be all about the contingency money, and hopefully with more sponsors, more will actually pay. As of right now, we still have one from last year who didn't pay.

But if it is such a big deal to the NHRA, and such a great benefit to the racers, you would think they would spell things out.

Last year, all we had were rumors, right up to the end. First it was a Big trophy and a gold card, then it was a Big trophy and a Jacket, then finally, it was just a normal class sized trophy, and the contingency sponsors who actually paid their $500.

Also, at the award presentation, the whole thing was clearly an afterthought as it wans't even listed on the program, took 3 minutes, and was over. Jr Dragster winners spoke at length about their awards, but for us, trophies were handed out, picture taken, and everyone rushed back to their seats. I dont blame Division 3, who had 3 of the winners, it isnt their fault that things happened as they did, as they planned their annual awards program, before they were told anything about this program.

And just in case it isn't clear, as Art said in the previous post, it is really all about the tie breakers.

Almost everyone whose car runs well enough to win class a few times, will be tied just like last year where 9 of the top 10 in Superstock/Automatic, and 8 out of 10 in Stock/Automatic had the max of 255 points. So the tie breakers will again be the determining factor.

But right now, I still don't know what awards will be given, and how many sponsors are participating.

So I guess we will just wait until the plan has some real meat on it, and is more than a rumor. Then we can see what you get, and who the sponsors are (If you run early in the schedule and win, but dont have the right stickers, because the sponsor signed up late and you didnt know they would become a sponsor, will you still get paid by them? How many races do you need, with the sponsors stickers? One, all??? )

David
The New Hemi Guy

Re: Rules for Class Championship on NHRA
 

I give a lot of credit to Keith and David for winning the stock automatic championship. They ran fast and ran a lot of rounds to win. I think the tie breakers are reasonably fair. However, in my case, I won class at 3 events and had the max. points. In previous years, that would have been worth $1350 in contingency money for me. In this new system I received $0.00 and 3 wallys. I think there should be a little money distributed to all who max out the points, instead of a "winner take all" situation.
Just my $.02.

Re: Rules for Class Championship on NHRA
 

Agree that David and Keith did a great job. They towed thousands of miles and worked hard for the win all while doing a admirable job of representing their sponsors. As David outlined it I sure don't see any urgency to spend $ for a ProTrans and some other parts to contend for class. After a full year to develop a program that increases participation by racers and sponsors NHRA still has a ways to go to achieve that (forgive me for stating the obvious).

Re: Rules for Class Championship on NHRA
 

By definition it is not a class win when they combine classes and run them based off a class index?!? Some classes have been beaten up, some have not so it is total crap. IF you are going to combine classes (Auto and Stick) it should be a dial in race to make it fair for everyone ...

Re: Rules for Class Championship on NHRA
 

When this came up last year, I believe someone was touting this as only a beginning, and this year (2012) there would be an even better program. Looks like an afterthought to me. Just make it up on the fly as they usually do.

Re: Rules for Class Championship on NHRA
 

No thanks, I'll put a wiring harness in mine and drive it.....

Wade O

Re: Rules for Class Championship on NHRA
 

I'm with you

Re: Rules for Class Championship on NHRA
 

Good thing I kept all of those original parts for most of my cars. Might be at be at the cruise night. This is coming from someone who just one of the last heads up races of the year. Races like this keep my interest in this sport win or lose. This is what stock and super stock was and should be about. It is a performance based bracket race.
Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
6300 Glenn Person 7784 Paul Wong
E2 ****WINNER**** 0.009 10.689 121.33 0.030 10.689 122.91
E/SA Dial: 11.70 (+/-): -1.011 E/SA Dial: 11.70 (+/-): -1.011
Prior rounds:
E1 (G Stein ) 0.015 11.032 0.042 (D Belli ) 0.063 11.069 0.139
Qualified: #12 10.764 -0.936 #27 10.870 -0.830

Re: Rules for Class Championship on NHRA
 

That would be all we need. Shoe polish in class. Don't you think shoe polish has diluted class racing enough? Leave some thing for performance based racers.

Re: Rules for Class Championship on NHRA
 

I will have to assume that you are thinking of eliminations. Because having a dial in race for class is the stuppidest thing I have ever heard. If that is what you are actually suggesting you really need to find a different class to race. Stock and Superstock are supposed to be a performance based class lets try and leave a little bit of that. There are bracket races all over the world where you can go and dial in all you want.

Re: Rules for Class Championship on NHRA
 

There ya go!

Re: Rules for Class Championship on NHRA
 

Shoe polish has no buisness being mentioned with Class Eliminations.

But, I do understand Scott's point. A few classes (SS/AH 9.30 and SS/AM 9.00 come to mind) have pretty stiff Indexes. Making it pretty dificult for cars in those cars to have much of a chance in a Class Combo.

My suggestion would be to bring the tough indexes in-line with the others. Maybe, say, 9.50 for SS/AH and 9.25 for SS/AM.

Re: Rules for Class Championship on NHRA
 

On the contrary. The correct way to do that is to bring all the soft indexes and soft combinations in line with those that have been properly factored and indexed.

We don't need to make it possible for everyone to run 1.5 or more under the index. Instead, we need to make it difficult for anyone to run 1.2 under their index.

Re: Rules for Class Championship on NHRA
 

Hemi cars have been 8 teens, which would be 1.30+ under that index, and there are a lot of A/SM(A) cars that are legal for SS/AM that have run well into the 7's. I know of one A/SM that has run 7.60s. The indexes that need changing are some of the modified classes, more specifically some of the non V8 ones, that are really soft.

Re: Rules for Class Championship on NHRA
 

Alan/Andrew, I'd think most of the Indexes currently are pretty fair. SS/Mod classes lose Index when the AHFS is flagged. SS/BM went from 9.65 to 9.50 from a hit at Indy a few years back (James Caro), then took the three tenths (that everybody received) hit, down to the current 9.20. Same with SS/AM. Scott Gove ran 7.99 at the Dutch in great air a few years ago, lowering the Index, via AHFS, from 9.45 to 9.30, then the .3 reduction down to 9.00. Same with SS/AH, a .15 hit via AHFS, then .3 down to the current 9.30. The quickest SS/AH at Indy last year was 8.42 by CW Jr, only -.87 and change. I think SS/AM was empty the last two years at Indy (except maybe John Clegg), for fear a racer in that class wouldn't qualify against a stiff Index.

Point being, Unless you get killer, mineshaft air, a current SS/AM, SS/BM, SS/AH, etc aren't going to run 1 second under, while many other combinations.classes can with ease. If only, say, 5-10 classes out of the near 140 within Stock and S/S are tough Indexes, it would reason to bring those 10 classes up, not bring the other 130 down.

Re: Rules for Class Championship on NHRA
 

They have the exact same rules, other than the automatic weight break of 250 lbs in comp and 5% in SS. Scott Hedlund's A/SM which went 7.69 @ over 176 would be legal in SS/AM. There are a lot of superstock modified classes with rules identical or very close to those in comp.

Re: Rules for Class Championship on NHRA
 

Andrew that is a $125,000 car with an $80,000 motor. I don't see to many SS racer running out to build one for SS/AM. For $4,000 of class money.