Time to Revisit the Super Times?
 

This is a retread of a old topic, but as I sit here trying to decide between SC and TD it's been bugging me. And something Jeff Beckman said the other day made me think of it again.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the idea behind TD and TS was to a) give people who wanted to go faster, but didn't have the coin for alky or complicated eliminator a place to go below SC and SG, b) give a more fan-friendly race without several seconds on a throttle stop. And it worked, guys who wanted to go faster started to move into those classes, and it's clear that people like to run them and watch them.

This was all pretty cool when TD was in the mid-low 7s. Most guys in SC could simply turn off the stop and get into a field, if only at the bottom of the ladder. Then the arms race began. Now, in several divisions, you need to be in the 6s to even make a field. Without a monster car that's blown or squirting a ton, and well north of 1500hp, you're on the trailer.

So here we are today, that my choice is to run SC, at 8.90 with the car on the stop for a long time, or spend $50k and build an engine to make a TD field at 6.90. Even with a car that'll pull a 7.60 flat out, I've got nowhere to go. Sure I can go race in my local Super Pro and run 7.60 against full-body pickups doing 10.40. But that's really my only other option.

My question, then, is: does it really make sense to have a two-second difference (8.90 to 6.90) in the range of classes? And does it still make sense to have the Super classes at the same index they were when they were created ever so long ago?

I know this is a tired question, and there was this poll done (with terrible questions), and this is supposedly settled. But I think it's worth a revisit.

Here's my proposal:

Turn the Supers (at least SC and SG, I don't know much about Super Street) into much simpler classes. Basic rules are .400 pro tree, electronics and stops allowed, dragsters/door cars/altereds/roadsters/whatever are fine in any of them. Make the indexes really simple and easy to understand: 8.00, 9.00, 10.00? (maybe even an 11.00?). How many times have you had to explain that an 8.989 is way slow, but an 8.899 is too fast? This is simple: if the time starts with a 7 (or 8, or 9...) it's too fast. Virtually anyone today can run one of these classes. You can't get your dragster down to an 8.00? Fine run the 9.00 class.

Not only will it give the faster SC guys a place to race without having to spend a fortune on a motor (or a 6.00 chassis, or get a 3A license and or a -15 suit) but it has the wonderful side effect of cutting the time people are on the stop dramatically. That, along with the easy-to-understand indexes, will make the racing much more fan-friendly.

I know I'm tilting at windmills and this will fall on deaf ears, but what do you all think of this?

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This would make people (also known as NHRA employeees), (not to be confussed with the guys working thier asses off for minamum wage at the track) think, and make decisions. Not going to happen. Along with others (racers) who will stand in line to complain, any change hardly seems worth it in our complacent society.

What is needed is a new Real Drag Racing sanctioning body. Started for racers by racers, if I had the money or support I would do it tomorrow.

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What is needed is a new Real Drag Racing sanctioning body. Started for racers by racers, if I had the money or support I would do it tomorrow.[/QUOTE]

Come on Jeff, you know you have the money. lol
Chuck

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Come on Chipmunk dig into that stash

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Now that is some funny ***** right there..............

We just went through this. Everyone voted to keep thing the same. This is why TD has gotten out of control. If you let the racer decide how fast to go, then the guys with the $$$$$ can take control. I know it is still a bracket race, after qualifying, but it is still intimidating knowing you have to run 6.80s just to get in. Why not make it a 64 car field.

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I beg to differ. Everyone did NOT vote to keep everything the same. In fact more people voted for some kind of change than to keep it the same. They just didn't agree on what to change it to. The choices were lame, so the change vote was split, and the largest single vote was for no change. In short, the survey was poorly done.

I still contend that there is a something wrong with a 2+ second difference between classes. If you can't run mid-high 6's your next choice is to run almost 9 seconds. That's just stupid, especially when the difference in cost is tens of thousands of dollars. You can build a very competent SC car for $50k, but it will cost you twice that to make the TD fields in many divisions.

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I would contend that to build a competitive S/C car these days, you need to run in the mid-7s, which is exactly where you are at (mid-8s for S/G, and mid-9s for S/St). So, I don't see it as a 2 second difference between the classes, but 1 second, just like every other class.

Sure, there is close to a 2 second difference between the classes when you are running on the stop and the current T/D bump, but that's not a fair comparison in my opinion because you are CHOOSING to run the car on the throttle stop. Alternatively, you could choose to sell your current motor to one with less power and turn your throttle stop off and still run 8.90s. Sure, I know this sounds ridiculous, and it is, just like the current state of the .90 classes.

We'll never get any sort of consensus as to how the changes to the classes should be implemented because everyone is only looking out for their own best interests (and I'm not saying that I would be any different). In the end, the racers have spoken - run the .90 classes as they are now, run T/S or T/D, or stay home and run the brackets if you don't like it (which is what I've chosen to do, along with racing the TNT Super Street Series).

And as Damien said:

http://images.mylot.com/userImages/i...os/2233652.jpg

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Don't bring the dead horse out again..(thanks for the dead horse examples).......I can't take it....I would think I was in the SS forum.....lol

Race S/C and have fun...if you think you will move to T/D and win more I think you're mistaken.....

Can't we get back to why Tommy D is ......xxxx

Rock Haas

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What you're saying is:

• A person has two choices: spend about as much as a new Honda civic and run SC, or spend six figures and run TD.
• The HP choices are 750 and 1750, nothing in between.
• A motor in the 1000-1200 range that just two years ago would have been the cat's meow is little more than a boat anchor.
• There's no place in the world for a big naturally aspirated motor.
• The genius who decided that a time of x.90 regardless of how confusing that is, was the right and that can never be revisited.
• Classes established years ago when just meeting the index was considered a good accomplishment can't be changed even though people commonly run 1.5secs under that.
• The only choice is cars that run on the stop for 1/3rd of the pass and drive fans away in droves.
• That the arms race is over and the $$ won.

It's just frigging broken. I don't care how many comics of a dead horse you guys post, it's stupid.

And yes, Rock, I'm gonna run SC but not because that's the only choice I have. I can afford to build a blown/squirted monster and compete in TD, it just seems stupid to do so.

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The $$$$ will almost always win. That is how the Super classes got started. No one has an advantage due to the size of their engines or spare parts list.
I started racing back when Super Gas used to be called Southern California Pro Gas, and you had to qualify (64 cars) to race in first round. I have pictures of my cars from then that look the same as now, No one in the stands. It isn't the throttle stops that keep the fans from watching. It's that there are too many things to do and see. All the circus acts back in the pits.
Back in the day I used to go up to watch the pro cars run time trials. But now I don't. Changing the Super classes to a quicker index will not bring in fans or more racers. It will just drop the cars that can barely run the index now. Look what happened to the car count for TD, by changing TD to a 32-car field they lost entries, Those cars went back to SC or brackets.
No matter what there will never be a consensus of how to change any class or what new class to add.
Dan

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• A person has two choices: spend about as much as a new Honda civic and run SC, or spend six figures and run TD.

I don't think that's quite accurate, as I'm building a new S/C dragster right now, and complete, it's not going to be a $20,000 affair. I'm guessing that rolling, I'm going to have AT LEAST $27,500 in the car. Last time I checked, Civics weren't $45K+ complete.

• The HP choices are 750 and 1750, nothing in between.

Not true. 750hp if you don't want to run a throttle stop in S/C and are content at 8.90 @ 148 mph, which I doubt you would be. My guess is that it's probably closer to 950hp and 1750hp, but if you want to be in-between, you are welcome to do so and either add more time to your throttle stop, or go bracket racing so that you can go faster.

• A motor in the 1000-1200 range that just two years ago would have been the cat's meow is little more than a boat anchor.

Hardly in S/C. In T/D maybe. Sorry, that's how it goes when you want to run with the big boys (and though YOU may not consider T/D or T/S the big boys, I certainly do from my perspective).

• There's no place in the world for a big naturally aspirated motor.

Untrue again. Sonny's just released a 1000 cid naturally aspirated motor. All you need to do is pony up the $100K for it, and you can go mountain motor Pro Stock racing with it. That said, the times are definitely changing, and if you want to go FAST, you had better start looking at nitrous, turbos, and superchargers.

• The genius who decided that a time of x.90 regardless of how confusing that is, was the right and that can never be revisited.

Of course not. But, this is hardly a major issue. Can it be changed? Sure. Should it have been 11.00, 10.00, and 9.00 to begin with? Probably. Should we change it now after 30+ years of running it the way it is? I think these classes have bigger problems.

• Classes established years ago when just meeting the index was considered a good accomplishment can't be changed even though people commonly run 1.5secs under that.

Untrue again. 30+ years ago when these classes were created we didn't have a problem meeting the indexes. The difference was that we didn't have electronically controlled throttle stops that allowed the arms race to start in these classes. The indexes can certainly be changed, but the indexes aren't the problem, the electronics are. Get rid of the electronics, add a 7.90 class, and your problem is solved.

• The only choice is cars that run on the stop for 1/3rd of the pass and drive fans away in droves.

No, you can CHOOSE to run YOUR car any way YOU want. But again, I think it is well proven that running your car for the top end charge has a competitive advantage over other throttle stop configurations. But, feel free to knock yourself out entertaining the fans with full-throttle launches and a down-track throttle stop setup.


Again, eliminate the electronics, and we don't have this problem. And I am in FULL agreement with you, that the current method that people use to race their cars drives the fans away in droves. I'm sure I'm going to get flamed for that comment, as I can already see the "the problem is that the tracks don't educate the fans" rebuttals coming. Again, simple solution. Eliminate the electronics, create a 7.90 class, and competitors will start leaving the line at near full throttle again, and SOME of the fans will return (and believe me, I'm not naive enough to think that the .90 classes will EVER generate the fan interest that the nitro categories do).

• That the arms race is over and the $$ won.

Hardly. But, if that's what you believe, then perhaps you should save your money and stay home, or bracket race at your local track.

• It's just frigging broken. I don't care how many comics of a dead horse you guys post, it's stupid.

I completely agree with you. It is broken, and it is stupid. But, lowering the indexes is NOT going to FIX the problem, it's just going to exasperate it! Let's say we lower the S/C index to 8.00. Do you think everyone is going to be content running 7.60s flat out? Of course not! Those that can afford it, will immediately go out and start building a better motor so that they can run 7.0 flat out, hold more, and have the higher mph car. Those that can't afford it will slowly improve their cars to do the same.

Over the course of time, your typical S/C dragster will have on average a 1,300 hp naturally aspirated motor in it to be able to run 6.70s or 6.80s flat out. The cars will STILL sit for the first 1/3rd of the run on the throttle stop, we STILL won't have any fans watching, but now instead of $50,000 to field a competitive S/C dragster, it will be $75,000. Oh, and guess what, we'll STILL be racing for $1,000 to win from NHRA.

So, all that said, am I going to lead the charge for the ban on all electronics? Absolutely not. I've relegated myself to the fact that these classes are NOT going to change in MY lifetime, and that if I want to race, I can either accept these classes the way they are and enjoy myself while I compete in them, or find other classes to race. Sitting at home on my computer whining about it doesn't do me any good, as it just raises my blood pressure when I can't convince others to see it the way that I do. My only hope is that at some point in time in the future people start to see the REAL issues with these classes, drop their own personal agendas, and work towards the betterment of the sport. But, that will be something my kids can campaign for, as I'll be in a nursing home or dead by the time any of that happens.

Sincerely yours,

The Old Codger

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Last year at the local track, they had a series that they call RAGE. Had 10.0, 9.0 and 8.0 indexes, pro start. .400 tree, and no delay box. no throttle control or automated shifters. I have a automated shifter, and had other things going on so I had to pass on it last year. But this year I am preparing to eliminate the auto shifter so that I can run the Rage series. Don' know if I can run 9.0, but I am going to try. It is a series that they are trying to get started, and I plan to try it, as well as trying to compete in Super Gas. The track is at Indianapolis.

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I run a 130 mph S/ST car and ran a 160 mph S/C car and have won Wallys with both. The longer I race, the more I realize the truth of a veteran's advice to me long ago. "It's not about having what they have, it's about making what you have work". Of course speed is the single biggest advantage you can BUY in the Super classes (or any drag racing). But there are lots of advantages you can't buy except with lots of seat time and combination testing.

The current Super classes are not fun to watch, especially on TV. Even slow cars, when they leave together and run all-out side by side "look" faster on TV. I realized this when watcing Unleashed footage from the 12.0 class.

In Division 2, NHRA runs 10.0, 11.0 and 12.0 index classes along with Lucas Oil events. They are lots of fun and have essentially "Nostalgia Super Class" rules - no timers, no delay boxes, pro tree, heads up with a breakout. Those classes have a loyal following but won't grow rapidly unless they NHRA phases out the throttle stop classes. But they do attract new racers who have absolutely no interest in Super class racing and would not be spending their money and weekends at the racetrack otherwise.

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First of all I think there is need for a 7.90 class so to some extent I agree with Chris and I don’t see anything wrong with top dragster as it is.

“This would make people (also known as NHRA employees), (not to be confused with the guys working their asses off for minimum wage at the track) think, and make decisions. Not going to happen. Along with others (racers) who will stand in line to complain, any change hardly seems worth it in our complacent society”

Why should the NHRA change anything? They continually fill their quota for super classes at their national events and have even more super class cars at the divisional events?? As long as racers value Wallys more that money nothing will change.


“Again, eliminate the electronics, and we don't have this problem. And I am in FULL agreement with you, that the current method that people use to race their cars drives the fans away in droves. I'm sure I'm going to get flamed for that comment, as I can already see the "the problem is that the tracks don't educate the fans" rebuttals coming. Again, simple solution. Eliminate the electronics, create a 7.90 class, and competitors will start leaving the line at near full throttle again, and SOME of the fans will return (and believe me, I'm not naive enough to think that the .90 classes will EVER generate the fan interest that the nitro categories do)”.

I made the mistake of suggesting something similar a while back and you would have thought I had sexually assaulted someone’s mother!

“In Division 2, NHRA runs 10.0, 11.0 and 12.0 index classes along with Lucas Oil events. They are lots of fun and have essentially "Nostalgia Super Class" rules - no timers, no delay boxes, pro tree, heads up with a breakout. Those classes have a loyal following but won't grow rapidly unless they NHRA phases out the throttle stop classes. But they do attract new racers who have absolutely no interest in Super class racing and would not be spending their money and weekends at the racetrack otherwise.”

Super class racing before throttle stops, was more fun and [U]less expensive.[/U

]“So, all that said, am I going to lead the charge for the ban on all electronics? Absolutely not. I've relegated myself to the fact that these classes are NOT going to change in MY lifetime, and that if I want to race, I can either accept these classes the way they are and enjoy myself while I compete in them, or find other classes to race.”

I too have learned to accept these classes they way they are.

"My only hope is that at some point in time in the future people start to see the REAL issues with these classes, drop their own personal agendas, and work towards the betterment of the sport. But, that will be something my kids can
campaign for, as I'll be in a nursing home or dead by the time any of that happens".

I share this hope but I am not optimistic either

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My .02...

Why would the NHRA even consider changing ? Plenty of guys in the .90 classes show up at each Div race (especially in D1)....

Changing the index's might be a nice thought, but until TS's are not allowed , then guys will still have big speed in slow classes (the guys who can afford it)..

Spectators ? Does anyone really think , that a Divisional level, spectators will all of a sudden start showing up to watch the .90 classes ? If the hosting track cant bring in spectators to watch Alcohol classes, TD and TS, snowmobiles, jets cars, wheelie cars, etc, will taking off the electronics of some of the classes all of a sudden swamp the spectator gates ?

At a national level, the same applies for spectators...they are not coming today to watch anything but the big boys, except for maybe a very small percentage of spectators...and last time I was at a national event, it was packed in pretty good with people...

Heads up ? Hmmm dont think so...Super Gas was never a heads up race, even way back when, guys were letting off or using a bolt stop of something, so its always been a bracket race, just with an even start at the line...and SC and SST just followed...

Even if we were to speed up the classes, you will still have guys with TS's, 9.0 guys will run in the 10.0 class etc...

Face it folks, small series and local events are where its at today for many of us, with the cost of traveling and entry fees, etc...I still like to run at a few Division races, just cause its more about the friends and getting to meet other racers, etc...

I think we all need to stop worrying about what the NHRA wants/gets and go RACE !!!

Have some fun !!!

OK Jason you're up !!!

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Two things I don't understand is why does everyone think the current system is broke when these classes continue to have the most cars in them and second I don't really care if there is soul in the stands, its not a parade and your not waving at the crowd going down the track. I don't care who's watching and hope the guy in the other lane ain't paying too close attention either. I'm a slow car at around 128 and the other guys can go 170 for all I care, I don't think there's an advantage either way because you can't tell me he can judge me any better than I can him. Heck most of the time I feel like I have the advantage I've had more trouble with cars closer to my speed than anyone else.

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Sorry Chris but I too dont see the need for change in the end I will adapt to whatever target we get.

Only if NHRA could profit from a change will we ever see one.

Plenty of cars show up to lay down rubber before the pros, and we buy that rubber and pay a majority of the insr and other related expense. We are Dumb Asses in this sense.

Fans come to see the circus, not you or me.

I could care less if anyone is in the stands, I am not John Force niether are you. Thats the wrong reason to race. Like Rock has said, knowing great friends from all over this great country is a very rewarding reason to race. Beating your pears who you know have game, bonus. Having FUN, the only reason to spend this money and work this hard. Others Hunt/Fish or play with balls (whatever) we do this.

Pay Out should be our only mutual platform for revision.

I feel like the Purse and only the purse is worthy of any big Change, not freakin OBAMANATION change either, its already a pathetic payout.

But hey, I cant let Jason Yak this much and not offer my 02!

Merry Christmas to you all, Jeff

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Plus NHRA loves us.....we don't bitch.....they check for a helmet and let us race.....like Jeff said...the only thing to talk about is the payout.....

Rock Haas

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Well said Jason and Bill. I've brought up the same thing, and been thoroughly chastised for having the audacity to question the status quo.

As far as whether the .90 classes have ever drawn a crowd, here is a late round at the 1988 Seattle national:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...Seattle-01.jpg

I have another photo somewhere taken by someone in the stands in this picture, and you can see the larger stands on the other side of the track are completely packed. Is the lack of fans only because of the timed throttle stops? Probably not, but it sure doesn't help. You guys keep bringing up payouts. As I learned in the small outlaw tracks in the South (where the weekly payouts rival an LODRS win), the key to higher payouts is to have something the spectators want to see. In those small towns in the South, even bracket racing was fun to watch. Maybe we should be thinking of something that will draw them back to the stands.

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I am curious, other than adding a 7.900 class etc, what Ideas or what would all of you do or change? How would you reinvent drag racing? What fresh new stand filling thoughts does anyone have? I am not trying to stir the pot here. I agree in the days gone by the stands were full, people were easier to entertain, thier choises were less, but now, we do need a future. So what is it?

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All good points but the bottom line is there is nothing wrong with the system.

Too many racers go by the saying: If it isn't broken, then fix it until it is.

So many things are more important right now.

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Flame suit on.

It's time to phase out the throttle stops - besides there are better ways to do it now that don't sacrifice as much accuracy and don't have the "spectator problem" of "broken" cars.

Here's my new slate. Tell them it's coming 1/1/2013.

Outlaw Super Comp - 7.60 index, dragsters OK, nitrous OK, delay OK, no SLE or stops, .4 pro tree (not .370). Older slower cars can step up with an add-on nitrous system, fast current cars can make the break or slow it down a bit, safety rules don't require the Advanced ET stuff.

Outlaw Super Gas - 8.60 index, left steer, nitrous OK, delay OK, no SLE/stops, .4 pro tree. Same deal for the current crop from fast S/G cars to low 9-second bracket cars wanting to give it a try.

Outlaw Super Street - 10.00 index, doors and a roof, nitrous OK, no delay, no stops, .4 pro tree. Same rules as Unleashed and Div. 2 10.00 index.

11.00 and 12.00 index just like Unleashed/Div. 2, just as they are now, entry-level classes for no-box no-stop racers on a .5 pro tree.

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"Plenty of guys in the .90 classes show up at each Div race"

Not true anymore. Div. 2 had 90-100 cars in S/C four years ago, now they are lucky to get 60. S/G had 70-80, now around 50. S/ST had 60-70, now around 35-45. And they rarely fill quota at most Nationals - Pomona, Gainesville, Norwalk, and Englishtown the exceptions.

Plus, at bottom the money lubricating drag racing, like every other sport, comes from TV. That's what sponsors sign up for, and it trickles down the line to racers running a sticker and getting a higher purse or contingency. Super class racing looks retarded on TV, even though the trap speeds are high. Two 12.0 cars side by side "look fast" on TV - watch the Unleashed footage, then watch the Super class finals from a Lucas Oil show, and see what I mean.

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Never understood the passionate hatred of throttle stops.

Maybe I'm stupid, but help me understand the "better ways to do it now"?

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If that's the case, the sport would've died a generation ago. The TV ratings for drag racing have never approached those of even an unranked pairing in NCAA football. That's why NHRA has to pay to produce and broadcast it...

The gate (front and back door) and concessions dollars have always been the money in drag racing. That, and the spend of the participants, on parts and consumables.

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I always liked the 1/4 mile length for racing. But some of the pros are only going 1000 feet for the race. If you want to change the Index from 9.90 to 9.0, then you might want to consider racing the Super classes to 1000 feet and then change the index to a even number. I think it would definitely make people be on the throttle control for less time. It would lower the top speed, and might make more sense. And the track prep would be the same for the fast pros, as well as for the sportsman. I like racing the 1/4 mile. But I expected when some of the pros went to 1000 feet, that the super classes would follow suit after a little time. Super gas might be 8.0 and super comp 7.0. Just an idea.:rolleyes:

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Since I've run one since 2005, I don't think "passionate hatred" applies. It's just a fact that they are an obstacle to spectators, especially on TV, and therefore the "story" that attracts investor and sponsor dollars.

The better ways to hit an index include programmable digital ignitions, nitrous controllers, and similar devices. They provide the same tunability without the funny looking picture.

As long as the front and back gate is the zero-sum game in the economics of drag racing, it will be stagnant. Every major advancement in the economics has come through broader marketing, usually dependent on sponsor dollars, which are in turn directly dependent on exposure, which brings us to TV.

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Michael....when you pull out from under the tower in the late rounds in the super classes....the fans are there for the fuel cars.....because they are right behind you....I don't believe anything has changed....

and don't forget when you speed up the indexes...you put the hurt on the low buck guys....and you increase speeds to who knows what.....right now the speeds are self governing.....as its difficult to make a 190 mile an hour car good on the stop....

Rock

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Chris

Check your PM's

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This is some good Stuff

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Hey Chebby.......I"ll Go for the popcorn, You get us a beer!

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Ever notice that when we get on here the thread usually stops. lol

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When you guys come in.....it's like its over....lol....

You usually make a perfect comment.....

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Just change the class name to VS/D for very slow dragsters. Then the fans should at least understand the class.
What a joke ! 25 years after class inception with the same index. Should be REALLY impressive in 2012 when Stockers are running quicker than the supposed Super dragsters.
If a dragster can't run 7.90 is it really a "race" car ?

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OK what if we could get them to add a 7.900 class none of the adv et safety? Although I am a big safety nut, you know the guy in SG who wears a HANS.

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JB- I wear a Safety Solutions Hybrid ! ! And have for 2 years, maybe that's why I can't drive the stripe.

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Mr. JThomas......I suspect you don't race super comp...but any way my VSD car would run 7 flat and worked just fine at 8.90.....what would changing the index do....and why do you care.....

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Wow, 7 flat, you're my hero.
You're right. I know nothing about S/C.
Sorry I contributed to you're forum.