Buybacks????
 

Can someone please explan to me why there is a buyback round in a class sanctioned race?

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To generate more money I suppose...


Next will be mulligans ? :rolleyes:

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Mulligans... I like the term. lol Next thing you know is you can pay for buybacks into the final round. He that has the most $$$ wins. (As you can tell, I'm not a fan of buybacks at all)

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As a class racer I was under the impression that a few of the standards that seperate class from regular nights w/ fun and grudge....yippee....were the stipulations between classes....next day eliminations....and NO BUYBACKS. guess im just old fashioned..

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I am not at all in favour of buy back in any racing venue. If you loose, you loose.

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Where the hell did that happen?

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You must not follow IHRA Drag Racing.

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Not this weekend. I'm in Reynolds at the D2 race

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I don't like them either,but this thread has been posted as a sticky since August.

http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=35214

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Buybacks suck and now we have a local track going one step further selling buy back insurance !!! Might as well leave the cars on the trailer and give the win to the guy who has the fattest wallet.

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Re-entry is different from a buyback in that you still have to win to move on to round two.

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Tim, what is buy back insurance? Buy backs would work if used properly, all first round loser wanting to get back in the program would have to run each other and then the winner could be inserted into the next round, this way, they would be deserving of continuing in the program. Claude R.

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Claude,you will find the buy back info on Arnie's site back approx 1 month ago ...$$$$

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The way I see it...IHRA is trying to do something really great for us racers, guaranteeing $5000 to win plus contingency for $200 to enter. If they have to have $100 buybacks to help augment the purse, so be it. Compare that to $1800 to win in NHRA for $305....

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Buybacks are the equilivent of having a nanny gov't to take care of your needs.

We need more buybacks.Too bad they don't have them in ther sports.Then:

1)My Islanders could have the game back they lost to Edmonton in 1985.Then they could have won a fifth championship in a row.
2)Bill Buckner's miscue in the 1986 World Series.
3)Give back Bobby Thompson's home run against the Dodgers.
4)My ***** light last year at MG national event in the semis.
5)I bet the Germans would like buybacks for the wars they screwed up.Let's not even mention the French.

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Mark I agree with you, I like the idea. The sad part is we do not have that option.

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Please explain "re-entry" and how it works compared to buybacks.

Thanks,
Bill

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The way I understand it is that if you lose in the first round,you can pay the "re-entry" fee and you essentially race ANOTHER first round loser.IF you win that round,you are back into the second round like everybody that won the first round.

This is a better system than automatically buying back into the second round without ever winning a round like some tracks have done it.

I understand why this is done to help with the purse,but my math shows that 22 cars paid to re-enter the race.That is $2200 toward the purse.IF 11 cars did not show up at the race at all because they don't like the concept of "re entry",then $2200+ was lost in potential revenue.

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The French are broke, there's no way they can afford a buy back for all those losses

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If you want buybacks, go to your local track and bracket race! I have voiced my opinion to the IHRA officials on the buybacks! Now, if more of you "class racers" would attend these events, they would not have to offer buybacks to generate more income!!! So I blame IHRA, the host track, and the "class racer" who does not attend these Sportsman Spectacular races for the buyback option!

This weekend is a perfect example of what I mean! You have a packed house at an open race that you pay $170 to enter, to win $1000, when you have 45-64 car fields in a race that costs $200 to enter and pays $5000 plus contingency! Or, travel 1000 miles to go to a points race!!

All of you who bitch and complain on here about NHRA and their fees and low payouts, just keep your mouth shut on here! You have nothing to bitch about and I don't want to hear it anymore!!

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i can't speak for anyone else. simply my own input. im happy for all that summit is doing for sportsman racing...don't get me wrong. but this just seems to go against the grain.

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ALL I CAN SAY , DOING STATS IT SUCKS!!!!
I have been working on the IHRA stats and its bad enough the way i have to do their stats compared to NHRA now this darn Buy back stuff, I'm going to start drinking again. Ask Ralph & Rich, they have watched me do ihra stuff.

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I think I would rather see some sort of a consolation race. I was at VMP and didn't do the re-entry race.

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Consolation race would not take in enough money to help pay the BIG PURSE.

I vote " NO" buy-backs/re-entries or whatever you want to call it.
Like i said before only have re-entry if car count is too low.(have a min car count for re-entry)

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Travis,
Maybe you should come out more. You don't have to use the re-entry option if you don't want to. If enough people would show up instead of complaining IHRA would not need this option to pay the $5,000 to win.
Maybe eveyone should thank IHRA for going out on a limb to pay this kind of money.
Chip Johnson

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Well said, thanks!!

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trust me....ill be around. not to buyback tho. i don't care what the purse is. it's about principle. period. stick with the friday night lights if you wanna buy a race.

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TW,
Why are you so down on Re-Entry/BB? Give me a real reason besides "It's the Principal"
If you want to go back to the way it was "Back in the day" , we all would be racing for trophys with a flag drop. Efverything evolves to a higher level and Buybacks may be what it takes for IHRA to survive.
Nothing "Friday nightlights" about the 2 sportsman spectacular races IHRA put on this year. Caliber of competition and quality of equipment was awesome.
Chip

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Ok Chip ,
Time to sign off so you can get on the radio show ( Speed Scene Live Radio Show) tonite...... Don't forget to mention your ole buddy here........

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I am not a fan of buybacks either, but I still attended the event to support IHRA and have some fun racing as well. I do not understand why "NHRA" racers do not attend IHRA events even though the races are trying to address some of the complaints of racers.

This was a rebuilding/testing year for me, unfortunately I did not attend many IHRA events and stayed local. In 2012 I will be out full tilt and look forward to what IHRA has to offer next.

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How would you know if the car count was going to be too low ahead of time? I could see more folks being confused and upset if an eliminations schedule couldn't be posted until after every car in all seven classes were teched in.

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Bob,
Lets pick a number say 64 cars. Let everyone know if over 64 cars are on the qualifying sheet then No Re-Entry. They post the sheet every round so everyone would know.
Chip

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Save your energy for counting all the money you won winning your championship without having to travel all over the country Chip, some people you will never be able to convince.

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They could make it $3,000/win with no buybacks, maybe then everyone would be happy. :rolleyes: 'Course the whole point was to allow racers the chance at $5K plus contingency. And if they changed it, how many more cars would show up? The people that don't want to will always find some excuse.

I like to RACE. I'll be there, regardless of the format.

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There in lies the problem. To some people it's all about the money. Maybe thats why it was more fun "Back In The Day" as you call it. No money. Trophys and national record certificates were about it. Now people make a living sportsman racing. Money can ruin anything and thats what happening here. I'd race for trophys again. I also like to fish and hunt and never win a dime doing that either.

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Harry,
Come on. Only about 1% of the sportsman racers make a living doing this maybe less. That being said it does cost to go and we need the chance to win to offset what it cost. "Back in the day" gas was 10 cent a gallon too.

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Although these were sanctioned races there were no points earned at these events. I am no big fan of buybacks but can appreciate the fact that IHRA was trying to do something in the interest of sportsman racing therefor instead of moaning and groaning about I supported them and glad I did. Its not a divisional or national points race so what's the big deal. Same people complaining up here all the time probably would bitch about having to pay the taxes if they won the lottery!

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I am as loyal now as I have ever been...and am committing to at least a full division 9 schedule in 12. I understand that monetary issues drive decisions in the main office, but when that bleeds down to the grandstands, it takes it to a different light. I am not upset with the amount of competition ((especially in Chip's department...ur still one of the greats!!!) I don't know...it just feels like it cheapens the feeling of grabbing that hardware in the winner's circle. I did come from an era of Trophies and big overblown glossy pictures on the wall...the purses and contingency offset the cost to go racing; and that's all that mattered. I was doing what I love to do with the people that I love doing it with. I probably am making mountains out of molehills, I know. It's just one of those issues that rubbed me the wrong way. I love my IHRA president, and my sanctioning body. And I know at crunchtime, tough calls have to be made. I just hope we don't forget where we started.

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Is there anyone that specifically did NOT attend the IHRA race BECAUSE they had buybacks,and that was the PRIMARY reason for not attending??

Just curious.

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I had the privilege of being at both Sportsman Spectacular events, and I thought it was very cool that racers in all seven sportsman classes had a chance to take home a $5k check and contingencies. Everyone that re-entered still had to win a round before advancing to round 2. ...and if I remember right, while a re-entered racer could win the big money in their class (or much better than average payday for R/U, semi's or quarter's), a re-entered winner would not earn a spot in the TOC.