NHRA Announces Changes to Class Guide
 

NHRA Announces Changes to Class Guide
As a result of the sixteen horsepower added to the 2008 Ford Cobra Jet (manual only) 330 cubic inch 425/491 in Stock Eliminator, the combination is no longer eligible for Stock Eliminator. This is due to the combination now required to carry 610 pounds of ballast. Per the 2011 NHRA Rulebook Section 20 page 16-17 it reads in-part "Maximum amount of removable and/or permanent ballast, unless otherwise stated under Class Requirements is 500 pounds."

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this is interesting

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I hear he is putting a 4.6 liter in it with a stick! First small block stocker in the 9's maybe? LOL.
(naturally aspirated)

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Fezell is entered at Charlotte in AA/S....guess that will be an interesting conversation in tech line today.

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So backing up, at what hp will the autos no longer be in stock?? At 491 the sticks carry 610 extra 110 over the legal amount. Tom

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do we have a link for this? because that would be NHRA actually doing the right thing, and that's kinda rare these days

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just saw this on the new nhraracer.com. Kudos to NHRA and y'all boys keep the hammer down!!!!

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It's a 2008, I don't think he can put any other motors in it

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The spec sheets show this combo to be 491 HP in stock and 425 HP in SS. Does this change in the guide carry over for SS?

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Nope.

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Wonder if the 08 Shelby that you could buy for the street is on the books, I thought it was but I have not looked in a long time. Not sure how hard it is to convert a CJ body to a Shelby body but it would be cool to see someone run one of these cars like it should be run in stock. 08 Shelby should be factory rated @ 500hp x 7.5 + 170 = 3920 to run AA/S. Also not sure just how different the engine spec are for the CJ/ Shelby but I don't think its alot in 08 anyway. Would still run 9.50's in AA @ 3920 I think

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Take the car shipping weight of 3240 add the 500 subtract the jockey weight of 170 divide by AA 7.5

= 476....

476X7.5= 3570 +170 =3740....

475

I am not sure how that will ultimately play out with the new max weight rule....But thats a math quandry for a different day....but it sort of looks like now your max weight for say a CJ auto @ 461 is 3740.....and not the 8X461+170

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Driver weight is never considered in calculation for class. It is only added to the classification weight for weight at the scales. The minimum vehicle weight to run AA/S with a power factor of 476 is 476 x 7.5 = 3570. The 170 lb allowance for the driver weight is added to that to determine a scale weight : 3570 + 170 = 3750 That number would be placed on the side window for the people at the scale to reference.

If you want to calculate the maximum horsepower in question for the 2008 CJ, use the shipping weight of 3240 and add 500 to it (the maximum allowable ballast). That total is 3740. Then divide by the AA/S 7.5 weight break (3740 / 7.5). The answer is 498.67. That causes me to question NHRA's decision and calculations.

491 x 7.5 = 3682.5 3683 - 500 = 3183

Their claim of 610 lbs. means 3240 + 610 = 3850. I don't know where they get that.

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What about Downings combo ?
This is not his is it ?
think he has a 231 or what ever it is engine.

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491 x7.5 =3682.5 +170= 3852.5 -610 = 3242.5 rounds to 3240. They included the driver!

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Great so NHRA now considers stocker drivers as ballast!!!:D

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So at 466 they only have one more hit to go with the autos. Who will be the one to throw them under the bus? And you guys thought Barton got crap for his run. Tom

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Warren Johnson has been saying that for years about every class.

In my case, that has been a cold hard fact, on numerous occasions.

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Does this mean this combo can now only run Super Stock ?

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This is FUNNY Sometimes I feel like ballast just in life.

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I'll drink to that

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It would be one heck of a project to do even if it were legal. Think of all the "special" parts that are allowed on the race CJ what would NOT be allowed in the Shelby. It would be a lot easier and less costly to convert a legal street Mustang. Jim


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That is exactly what it means. The '08 CJ with the supercharged 330 inch engine, which was factory rated at 425 HP, is now NHRA rated at 491 HP and is now only legal for Super Stock.

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What do they get that is different? I know they get a glide in auto trans but Mr. Fezells car is a stick and I assume like ever other fast stick stocker he runs an aftermarket trans such as a Jerico or G force. Would he have to possibly change out the aluminium center section the CJ came with for an iron 9 inch center? I am not at all familiar with the CJ's and just wondering out loud. Thought they were pretty much Mustangs that were factory prepared to run in stock just like any other racer would prepar a car themselves strip it down lighten it up take all the emmissions off all the soundeadner and other such things. Does anyone know if the 08 Shelby is in the guide I can't get it to come up on this computer?

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Denny, the '08 Shelby isn't in the guide. The Roush Mustangs are listed but not the Shelby.

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Super Stock Q1 at Charlotte:

5 1587 SS/E Don Fezell, DuBois PA, '08 Mustang 9.401 10.25 -0.849

It appears that Don Fezell will be just fine in Super Stock.

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Not bad for a "Stock" car in S/S.

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Super Stock Q2 at Charlotte:

6 1587 SS/E Don Fezell, DuBois PA, '08 Mustang 9.374 10.25 -0.876

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My bad. I was just looking at the specs and assumed the one with the smaller throttle body, less compression and unported heads would be the lower rated engine. It seemed odd to be rated at 300 when the other was only 235 or 232. Maybe it was a clerical error......... At 300 hp at least you could run the car to maybe 900 feet before shutting it off! It would have to be more fun!

I guess thats what I get for looking. LOL>

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looks like a new record, here's the old one.

SS/E 9.49 139.31 11/29/09 Stephen Johnson - Gadsden, AL'67 Ford



first day out ,now that's funny

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I like this guy Feazell.

I hope he sells shirts. I would wear one. He is a WFO racer, not a HFO racer.

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How can you be sure he is a WFO racer? The throttle body might not be opening 100%.

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X's 2 David Barton and Don Fezell are REAL drag racers. I still say its pretty darn good for a "STOCKER" running in S/S !!!!!!

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Well, true, but it least he runs more MPH in the quarter than he does in the eighth mile.............Besides, there ought to be some bonus points for getting instant hits. At least the guy is making an effort. I am not going to slam him for that.

If there is anyone that was faster in one, they are hiding it. Right now, he closed out AA/S in a CJ anyway as the MAN! Gotta be worth an AttaBoy at least. LOL>

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I'm not knocking you Dartman but don't necessarily see the humor in it; the Johnsons are great racers who have flogged that old fairlane for years...I saw their record run and had hoped it would stand longer but probably won't with the new cars flowing in.

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It will have to stand a little longer. Sportsman cars don't set records at National Events.

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I know Stephen and Horace, and they are great racers; but their record will be retired in November if it is not reset before then. NHRA retires a record and establishes a minimum 2 years after a record is set, Stephen set the SS/E record in November 2009. Also, the only Sportsman cars that can set National records at National events are TAD and TAFC.

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planned on resetting it in a couple of months.......but :(

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See ,now what has happened is the stockers are getting their wish and now the superstockers will start getting punished by these new cars....
All this would not be happening if they were just put in a class of their own as i have said


fromm day one....Class of their own and let them beat each other up among themselves......

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I know how hard it is to get a car to run the index yet set the record.what I found funny was how the nhra again have under factor this car so bad,it ran faster then the record on the first day In super stock.I don't mean any disrespect to the Johnsons.