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Mickey Whaley 09-03-2011 11:23 AM

INDY Domination
 
20 of the top 25 qualifiers are mustangs and challengers, can the new camaro compete?

Dick Butler 09-03-2011 11:29 AM

Re: INDY Domination
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mickey Whaley (Post 280043)
20 of the top 25 qualifiers are mustangs and challengers, can the new camaro compete?

Question is can "anything else" compete? (Pending factoring)

Woodro Josey 09-03-2011 11:51 AM

Re: INDY Domination
 
Mickey. as for the Camaro, a lot has to happen, and the first being a lite weight version by about 800lbs!

jmcarter 09-03-2011 12:24 PM

Re: INDY Domination
 
Go to Toby's SS class video on the "Live" thread and advance till there is about 5 min left...you'll see Martel in his class run...looks like he's driving a school bus against a race car. The Camaro's will have to get a cut body like Pro Stock/Mod to remotely stand a chance...not much more of a heresy than the grossly misfactored cars NHRA is running now. I like the new cars, they just need to be factored correctly but the new Camaro is just too BIG.

davidhuff 09-03-2011 12:40 PM

Re: INDY Domination
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mickey whaley (Post 280043)
20 of the top 25 qualifiers are mustangs and challengers, can the new camaro compete?

no

Greg Hill 09-03-2011 01:10 PM

Re: INDY Domination
 
Mickey, the new camaro can compete with the other new cars if it gets the same bogus hp factors. The hp factors are the only reason these cars dominate.

BlueOval Ralph 09-03-2011 02:26 PM

Re: INDY Domination
 
In your dreams as I said before You can't race a Donkey at the Kentucky Derby there is much more than just Bogus HP Factores! Longer wheel base, wider, more frontal aera+ poorer aero, Very heavy all this = Donkey if you overlay the Mustang on the Camaro you see why the Mustang is a Race Horse!
MPO

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Hill (Post 280074)
Mickey, the new camaro can compete with the other new cars if it gets the same bogus hp factors. The hp factors are the only reason these cars dominate.


442OLDS 09-03-2011 02:31 PM

Re: INDY Domination
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueOval Ralph (Post 280095)
In your dreams as I said before You can't race a Donkey at the Kentucky Derby there is much more than just Bogus HP Factores! Longer wheel base, wider, more frontal aera+ poorer aero, Very heavy all this = Donkey if you overlay the Mustang on the Camaro you see why the Mustang is a Race Horse!
MPO


If you give a new Camaro a supercharged LS3 engine and rate it at 180 horsepower,I would think it should be able to make the top 20 qualifiers.

BlueOval Ralph 09-03-2011 04:13 PM

Re: INDY Domination
 
Maybe the same as the old Turbo Corvairs Monza let's see at 120 hp and a shipping weight of 3865 now what class is that?

z28camaroman 09-03-2011 04:24 PM

Re: INDY Domination
 
Maybe new AFX classes for all the new cars.

I noticed that D. Fezell's Mustang has to weigh 3725 now. He triggered another hp hit this weekend running 1.21 under, will the car go over 3800 lbs on Tuesday? How does NHRA figure out how much to hit cars like this?

Jerry

Chad Rhodes 09-03-2011 04:25 PM

Re: INDY Domination
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueOval Ralph (Post 280095)
In your dreams as I said before You can't race a Donkey at the Kentucky Derby there is much more than just Bogus HP Factores! Longer wheel base, wider, more frontal aera+ poorer aero, Very heavy all this = Donkey if you overlay the Mustang on the Camaro you see why the Mustang is a Race Horse!
MPO

And the challenger is more of a pig than either of them. What's your point?

X-TECH MAN 09-03-2011 04:28 PM

Re: INDY Domination
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by z28camaroman (Post 280113)
Maybe new AFX classes for all the new cars.

I noticed that D. Fezell's Mustang has to weigh 3725 now. He triggered another hp hit this weekend running 1.21 under, will the car go over 3800 lbs on Tuesday? How does NHRA figure out how much to hit cars like this?

Jerry

Maybe they use "Farmers" old dart board except the people in charge today can not throw straight?

Lew Silverman 09-03-2011 06:01 PM

Re: INDY Domination
 
Can the Camaro compete? Let's check the Classification Guide..............

2010 (Only) Camaro 2 door SS Coupe, 426 rated HP with the manual transmission, 400 with the automatic. Let's use the stick.......

Stock class factor 9.04, C/SA @ 9.00 times 426 plus 170 = 4004 lbs., close to the CJ's?

The big question - is the HP rating of 426 realistic or not from a 376 cubic inch normally-aspirated LS? Won't know that until someone builds one!

Lew

Andrew Hill 09-03-2011 06:06 PM

Re: INDY Domination
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueOval Ralph (Post 280095)
In your dreams as I said before You can't race a Donkey at the Kentucky Derby there is much more than just Bogus HP Factores! Longer wheel base, wider, more frontal aera+ poorer aero, Very heavy all this = Donkey if you overlay the Mustang on the Camaro you see why the Mustang is a Race Horse!
MPO

It's the bogus HP factors, not the body style.

Frank Bialas 09-03-2011 11:03 PM

Re: INDY Domination
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by z28camaroman (Post 280113)
maybe new afx classes for all the new cars.

I noticed that d. Fezell's mustang has to weigh 3725 now. He triggered another hp hit this weekend running 1.21 under, will the car go over 3800 lbs on tuesday? How does nhra figure out how much to hit cars like this?

Jerry

does it really matter!!! No one cares or is doing anything about it-[nhra], my 41 year old piece of s#$t weighs in at a minimum of 3920 in c/sa so i really don't see a problem!!!and if i decided to run a 40 year old mopar b-body i would need to tip the scales a bit over 4000lbs. So why can't we just get along and just enjoy the moment/time???someone said maybe just stay home or go play golf or go fishing, words well spoken!!! Less b.s. And I can still have a cold one WHILE SITTING ON MY BOAT, AND HAVE THE SEA GULLS CRAP ON ME. On stand-by/waiting, and if i missed out, so be it, my loss.

John Leichtamer Jr 09-04-2011 12:11 AM

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Frank

Go fishing??????? You see the price of a new Bass Boat & Trailer????????


Hammer

Frank Bialas 09-04-2011 12:16 AM

Re: INDY Domination
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by john leichtamer jr (Post 280204)
frank

go fishing??????? You see the price of a new bass boat & trailer????????


Hammer

john boat stands for bring out another thousand, i know i own [2]. It just depends on how much crap you care to deal with!!!

hemidup 09-04-2011 10:31 AM

Re: INDY Domination
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mickey Whaley (Post 280043)
20 of the top 25 qualifiers are mustangs and challengers, can the new camaro compete?

The new Camaro with a Whipple supercharger is going to scare the crap out of the supercharged Ford's and all motor DP's. Just my .02

Alan Roehrich 09-04-2011 10:41 AM

Re: INDY Domination
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hemidup (Post 280248)
The new Camaro with a Whipple supercharger is going to scare the crap out of the supercharged Ford's and all motor DP's. Just my .02

Not at 4000 pounds it won't.

hemidup 09-04-2011 11:41 AM

Re: INDY Domination
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 280252)
Not at 4000 pounds it won't.

Alan, I really don't think the body in white, no VIN # Camaro's will be that heavy.

Being a die hard Mopar fan all my life I was very impressed by the new Mustang's this year at Indy. I believe once Chevy steps up to the plate I'll be impressed with them as well. Time for Ma Mopar to step up to the plate with a blower.

BlueOval Ralph 09-04-2011 11:45 AM

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From a GM Body Enginer the new style Camaro body in white is about 350 lbs heavier than the last F-Car, don't forget it was done down under off the Holden/G8 platform.

NHRAFAN156 09-04-2011 01:03 PM

Re: INDY Domination
 
The funny part is not one of them will be in the winner cercle on Monday. In my book that is what count's.

Alan Roehrich 09-04-2011 01:03 PM

Re: INDY Domination
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hemidup (Post 280265)
Alan, I really don't think the body in white, no VIN # Camaro's will be that heavy.

Being a die hard Mopar fan all my life I was very impressed by the new Mustang's this year at Indy. I believe once Chevy steps up to the plate I'll be impressed with them as well. Time for Ma Mopar to step up to the plate with a blower.


Jerry, it's been said before, but I'll say it again. Chevrolet is not coming to the game. The program was cancelled 3 years ago, and the people transferred or laid off. It ain't happening. There aren't going to be any "no VIN body in white" Camaros. In fact, the 2012 Camaros are already out, and GM says the replacement (a new platform) is due about 2014. Chevrolet is not coming to the game 3 years late with a car they're going to replace in two years.


Besides, the last thing we need is a third company producing factory race cars to be put in a class full of production street cars.

BlueOval Ralph 09-04-2011 01:53 PM

Re: INDY Domination
 
A LS7 has Titanium Rods, Intake valves and Dry sump the rules in stock does Do Not Allow any of these! As the rule state even thought the LS& has been in the NHRA STOCK BLUE PRINTS FOR the last 3 years.

Quote:

Originally Posted by boster58 (Post 280280)
Lew , we built a 376 ci LS fuel injected motor. It made 720
hp . It was NHRA rated at 361hp . We put it in my cobalt , the car had to weight 3080 lbs for GT/AA . Car only ran 9.30's . if you put it in a 3350lb car it will run 9.60's .

Gm has to lower the HP rating on their best engines for new camaro's to succeed in NHRA drag racing . If they dont the car will not be completive and no one will race it

The fact that GM keeps the HP rating high on their cars is the main reason that I moved to the Mustang Cobra Jet. Ig GM would just put a LS7 427/ 505 detuned to 350hp in a new camaro it could run with the CJ &DP . The car with driver would only weight 2970lbs . The reason guy's like me are switching to Ford & Mopar is that these companies want fast race cars racing NHRA.

As long as GM rates the supercharged LS9 @638 it will not out run the CJ and Ford

Bo Kenney


442OLDS 10-30-2011 08:47 AM

Re: INDY Domination
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 280289)
Jerry, it's been said before, but I'll say it again. Chevrolet is not coming to the game. The program was cancelled 3 years ago, and the people transferred or laid off. It ain't happening. There aren't going to be any "no VIN body in white" Camaros. In fact, the 2012 Camaros are already out, and GM says the replacement (a new platform) is due about 2014. Chevrolet is not coming to the game 3 years late with a car they're going to replace in two years.


Besides, the last thing we need is a third company producing factory race cars to be put in a class full of production street cars.

I think this looks pretty cool to me.

http://pprod.gmperformanceparts.gmgs...ro-concept.jsp


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