Go david barton
 

9.676 in A/SA with an 09 DP. Rd. #3. 1.324 under for number one slot. One bad hot rod and someone who believes in pushing down on the gas pedal.

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No 1000' racing for David. WOW One very fast car. Good Luck!

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And a big congratulations to the next top qualifyers......Don "Flat out" Fezell, Bill Skillman, Keith Lynch, Bo Butner, and Terry Emmons for driving these new cars like they were meant to be driven. No holding back with these guys.

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Assuming neither go any quicker this weekend, the 6.1 Hemi will get 22 hp (up to a rating of 426 and become a AA/SA-only) and the '08 330/425 gets 16 hp, up to 491 (already was a AA/S-only).

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got to hand it to david for at least running it all out. no sandbaging. congrats. maybe others will follow suit.

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Heard the other drag pak owners were upset with Barton. I also heard he told them it was his money and he would run the car like he wanted to.

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We need more guys like him with these new cars! Hope he's got a 6.4 and a 5.9 in the works

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Maybe we can all chip in and get him to build a Blown Mustang or any new Mustang for that matter.

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Indy has been a lot of fun this far but I must say that the low point was getting a chance to talk to David and hear about the nasty s*it these Hemi owners said to him over the course of the last two days.

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There are racers like David who move the sport forward by pushing a ''new school'' cars and help in making it a fairer playing field for all those who have invested years and $$ in their ''old school'' combos....
Its also nice to see it leave like an ''old school'' car...
THANK YOU DAVID......

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Finally somebody with a pair to run one of these new cars out the back door! Nice job David, now kick some azz in eliminations!! You're an outstanding racer who brings his A game and the best iron to every race!

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You guys crack me up. Last year when everyone and his brother were running these cars balls out you were decrying them as Satan incarnate. Now, Bartom goes 1.3 under and you act like he's the first one to make a full pass.

I saw Carey Bales testing with Merryfield's DP at US 41 last Saturday night. They were #3 last year at 1.73 under. This year they weren't even going to Indy because the car has been hit 4 times and can now only run .7 or so under. Looks like they should have gone, the bubble was only .631 under.

Yes, the new cars are killer on heads-up runs, but they have not been very successful in the bracket racing part.

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Have to say I am a die-hard Mopar man and it sucks for other to treat someone in such a way. I'm 27 and this is my 21 consecutive year going to Indy. I still love the old school cars and hope to race one there in the coming years. The new ones are cool and I still think both will co-exist.

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Barton's car is a real race car that would be fast with a decent horsepower rating. His is the fastest of its kind by a lot. He and Keith Lynch are the only ones that have built real Drag Pack race cars and actually run them hard. If Merryfield's DP can only run .7 under now, it just proves my point. Another example is Ronzello's D/SA car, he ran 128 mph in Milan last weekend, which is easily enough to run 10.20s, but he couldn't even win class. Cars like Barton's and Lynch's (and some others) would be fast without the bogus HP ratings. I have a lot more respect for a guy who builds a real stock eliminator car with all the tricks and little things than someone who runs some ridiculous amount under without trying because of a BS factor.

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Tell em Andrew.

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Just look at the facts. Barton’s 65 coronet (which is owned by Al Carp) is one of the fastest in the country. When he was running the 70 Hemi challenger it was one very fast car with a terrible weight break, at the time 457HP rating. All the SS/AH car’s he drives and maintains are always very competitive and very fast, so let’s give some credit to the engine builder Ray Barton for a job well done. David is a great driver who is only getting better, so it’s just a matter of time before the new challenger is a national event winner, and boy do I miss racing.

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Great Job by the Barton Boys ! All the mopar guys can bi8ch all they want, Ma Mopar is dead, no free cars were given out the owners paid with cash and can do what they want. No help from the factory forth coming. The old days are gone and Fiat only wants your $$$$$
Go get em David !

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What I dont understand is the mentality of most of the younger guys watching, reading and posting on here. Evidently you know NOTHING about class racing and what goes into building and running a class car. All you know is what you see from the grand stands or read in a car magazine. What is it that you cannot grasp. Its not the fact they are NEW cars, Its NOT the FI or computer controlls. It is the damn current HORSE POWER FACTORS that determines the weight and class that these bogus HP cars are running in. The whinning and gripes have NOTHING to do with the fact that they are NEW or one of 50 or maybe never made any except on paper. If you rely on the AHFS then MAYBE in about 10 years the HP factors MIGHT catch up to where they should belong to start with. By the time that happens most current racers will be to old or to broke to race anymore. you young guys wont take up the slack when the racers like Woodro Josey, Joh Livingston, and many many more have retired and left off. I dont care if the factory made one or none. Factor them correctly, put them in the correct class or stock and S/S is a dead horse in a few years. NHRA is sick of them anyway except for the entry and membership money they bring in. Yeah a few will hang on, fight it until the end, or switch if they can afford it. To many are staying home if they see they dont have a chance in hell at winning a heads up run and when enough of the new cars are in the fields the old cars wont even qualify for the eliminator much less have a shot at winning class or a heads up run unless the combos blow up as some are doing at Indy this week. Its not just SS/AA. SS/BA, AA, A, and B stock either. Right now it goes down to around L stock. Some are running in S/S with a stocker and flying. With one or only two running the new Mustangs in the lower classes they have complete control over the AHFS and their HP factor and will never get hit unless they get tired of wearing out their brakes or their ego's over ride their azz. .

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Ray Barton builds Race Engine's !
You can't sell a slow one !
I'm sure there is more left, Ray and David know how to play the game...

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I agree ,even after the hp hit they will still probably be the fastest....

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They sure do know how to play the game and obviously have the confidence that they can still go "fast enough" after the re-factoring.
They also good business people as I'm willing to bet that some of the DP teams that are struggling become Barton customers.

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That car last year was rated at 305 it's now over 400 and Keith Lynch was #4 or 5 qualifier with that same 5.7 combination. All it tells me is that once you start getting factored closer to what you should be you have to actually work on your car.

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God forbid they have to write a check AND work on it, lol

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I'm repeating myself, but the new engines that are introduced to stock should be 1.25 Hp per C.I. and let them run the HP down. Instead of sandbagging to hold onto the advantage of the bogas HP ratings that they are currently running. Any combo with power adder be put at 1.75 HP per C.I.
I'm sure that there many racers with older cars would love to have their Stock factory HP put back on the rides. I know that I could shed off 200 lbs from my combo if NHRA went back to original HP rating from the factory or move down 2 classes. That would put all the Z/28s able to move down 2 classes, that would be the same as the new engines in the classes that they are in. I'm not crying about the new cars, I really like them, but just want a fair playing field when they bring a new vehicle online to race in stock.

BTW, Great Job David!

Casey Miles
248H Stock?

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X tech man you are full of yourself and don't have a clue what your talking about . I bought a 2008 mustang , spent money working on it . Took it to the track and run it has hard has I can . It runs 1.05 - 1.10 under and its 50lbs over weight . How is that car so over factored ? the motor has not been tricked out (yet) but that has nothing to do with the car being under factored from Ford or NHRA.

I also have a 2012 super cobra jet , picked it up from Tasac ford , had it tuned and it runs .97- 1.02 under in factory trim , and is 25 lbs over weight , and the motor has not been tricked out .Again how is this car so under factored ?

Another thought , who would buy these cars if they were slow ? so they need to be fast to sell . I no your sitting at home and not here , but here at the races there are a bunch of young guy racing new cars which is good for the sport

So to me as some one actually who races these car's they don't seem like they are that under rated from the factory . And every time I go 1.00 under AHFS kicks in and keeps track of it .

For the record I leaned my SS/BA car out to trying to go faster and burned the rings up in the car and withdrew from the race to let someone else have my spot to race . The car did not blow up and its still running its just got 35% on the leak down gage

I talked with David and Ray in the lanes and they stated the car would go 1.50 under but tuned it back, so again most of you guys posting here don't no what your are talking about for the simple reason that your not here racing.

I tip my hat to David and Ray Barton for the run they made ,they worked on that combo for 2 years and made it count and they will sell motors on Monday for there efforts.

The main issue with new vs old is technology and better parts and you cant stop car companies from building better cars . It would be UN American to penalize these cars and racers who buy them just because they are moving forward

Lastly , when you were a tech man was anything really stock ? You take credit for Top Stock in IHRA but when I started racing that class they were all cheating and no one did nothing about it including you . X tech man get a race car and race or shut the ***k up . There are plenty of guy racing well into their 70"s and even a top fuel guy 84 all of whom I respect and enjoy racing with and hope I will be able to do the same.

As long as you race everyone should voice their opinions , non racer should stop bitching about things they no nothing about . X tech man have you driven a new ford , Mopar or Chevy lately they are all great American cars

Bo Kenney
Live from INDY

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Bite me !

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That is exactly why it is underfactored!!!! You haven't done anything to the motors! Most cars have to have absolutely everything within the rules done to them to go that fast!

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Your NOT talking about Bo's old S/S crank and the bogus intake and ported and polished throttle body on his old A/SA car are you......LOL.

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X Tech , (bite me ) Bring it over if your man enough. I'm not hard to find at the races. And I don't live that far away from you. Call me and we can do lunch

I was tossed for my crank in 2008 . My throttle body was 75.4 the next year 2009, should have been 75mm . Get your facts straight. Never had a bad intake or ported polished TB on my A/sa car or super stock . Every infraction I had was in Super Stock and at Indy. You don't no jack ***** same as every other post you make. Just BS

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Uh....I happen to see the throttle body and hold it in my grubby hands (it was confiscated.....remember) ole boy and was told the WHOLE story from an NHRA tech official. Typical loud mouth.

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I know first-hand that nobody works harder than Ray on the HEMI’S. Now while he still has a soft spot for the 426. Wait until he REALLY starts to work on the new Hemi’s.

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Just imagine if the Westcotts got one and they started battling to see who could run the fastest. Think about Paul Adams getting one of the new Mustangs and trying to get into the 7's in SS. These combinations for the most part aren't even touched yet.

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I heard cops were called to the track last night due to continued harassment towards David. Any truth to this?

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Dave, Patsy Hill mentioned the same thing in post 206 of the "Live from Indy" thread.

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Bo, I've owned my car for over 40 years, the best I could get it to run is maybe 5-6 under before NHRA took away .3 tenths. I'm carring weight from Jr. stock days on my combo. You say that you went 1.00 under when testing without even pulling a valve cover, you tell me what's wrong with that picture. I'm not saying that you shouldn't get performance for your money, but the performance should be rated within the real world HP to what the engine can produce.

Casey Miles
248H Stock?

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X tech , you know the kettle should never call the pot black . What did you think those christmas card with cash in them were for when you were head of IHRA tech . When I started racing IHRA I was told to take care of you if we wanted to go fast . And the way to do was cards with cash . Funny thing is a bunch of racer here at Indy remmember the same thing.

They also remmember that slow *** SS/IA camaro , man thaty thing hauled A**

Bo Kenney
Live from Indy , and racing

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Terry your a flat out liar . Prove it .

Bo Kenney
Live from Indy

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No lie.....Just promised I wouldnt mention it on here to the guy who has it. Ive already said more than I should and he trusted me. It was when Monty Jo Bogan was driving for you. Besides.....why would I lie.....It dosent affect me one way or the other so why should I lie about any of it??? Just showing that you are full of BS and yet you say I am. Just can't stand a cheater who does it on purpose. I still have connections and friends in the right place in both associations. Have fun with your Mustangs. May you run more than 1.20 under at every event you attend.

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What a dick......and what X mas cards? Damn wished I had gotten some with cash. Then I could open a porno shop like yours. I threw out more class cars for cheating in IHRA than all of the rest put together. Thats the reason I quit....management would not let me do my job in Top Stock. Slow SS/IA.....I was within .03 of Phil Hardee with a Bobbby Warren engine at the time. Beats running a bogus HP slug like yours. I felt like at least did it on my own. Ask Phil if he is at the Nationals. Speaking of paying off an official........ Now tell the story on how you won the last Top Stock CHUMPionship or do you want me to tell it.!!.
P.S. I NEVER was the head of tech anyway. Mike Baker was and still is.

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Boy, don't you guy's know that $ bills have serial numbers??? How dumb, should use Mapple Leaf's, Eagels or Panda's no serial numbers, but always rember to wipe your finger prints off and no post marks. In other word mail from a different city than you live in.