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Which Pontiac combo appears to be the best option?

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68 400 firebird stock
428 S/S

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1980 T/A ,301 4bbl, U/SA

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Which motor? 400, 400 ram air, or 400 ram air 2?

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1968 400/330 HP is a good combo.

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I have one for sale 68 400/ 330hp carb to pan. needs fresh up

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Are the early '60's 421 cars viable?

JimR

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Small Valve engines, 18 degree valve angle, no approval on aftermarket head castings like other brands, overly rated HP, very small hand out from the intake runner NHRA CC fairy, take tons of cash.....pretty normal.

Agree, best combo for stock and maybe even SS is the 301 Turbo. Probably even can drive it to the race.

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How about the 67 400 combo? I know it is a one off year for the 670 heads and intake...

I have my 67 Firebird ragtop set up with a ZZ4 IHRA crate motor now, but would really like to make my Pontiac a Pontiac again! I have some parts - block, heads, intake, etc. but time and money... did I say money, are slowing the process.

Anyone want to help a fellow Pontiac racer? :)

Seriously, would appreciate feedback on this combo. Only one I see running right now is Bo Butner in a coupe, and it is pretty fast, but Bo has enough money to make anything fast!

thanks,
Ken

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Johnny send me a PM with asking price, pics, and details.
Ken, were you pitted next to me at Shreveport in the white Pontiac ragtop?

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Lynn -
I believe Mark was referring to the 301 4-bbl naturally aspirated engine.

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Ken,
Brian Phillips is running this same combo and does very very well with it.
What is it that you need help with ? Parts ?

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Ask Billy Nees about the 301 Pontiac.If he's in a good mood he'll give you a wealth of info.

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Richard, yes that was me... was not there long enough to get to know many of my neighbors! Sorry. Hope to see you in Crandall.

B Aceves, you are right, thanks. I forgot about Brian's car. I thought at first that Bo had bought it, but then saw they were both on a sheet late last year... While I would love some help if someone had a motor, I was just half kidding. I have some stock parts sitting on a shelf - heads, intake, stock short block, just do not have the time or money to go thru and do everything right, at this time. With a wife and two young boys, racing funds come down the line some :). I have had the car for over 20 years, is an original OHC 4V car, and have the original engine in the garage. Have been slowly working on it for last couple of years to go from street to track, without cutting or messing stuff up. I have a ZZ4 legal motor in it, will go .4-.5 under, and basically just a bracket motor. Stock th350 with a converter. Did put a good Moser rear, with all caltrac setup and 4 wheel disc under it. Will race and work on it as I can. When I build the Pontiac motor, I would really like to do it right.
Thanks for asking!

Ken

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Okay Ed, so now everybody knows who brought you know who's name into this discussion first. Not me!


Richard , I based my original answer on which Pontiac V8 could qualify at Indy for the least amount of money spent. You didn't say whether it had to be in one of the higher classes or not.
There are plenty of other good combos; some mentioned, some not yet.
If you want to be a player in the 10 and 11 second classes , get ready to spend a bunch of money on the heads, transmission, etc . Same as any other brand...You know the drill.

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Come on Mark,we know he's a modest man.Never one to blow his own horn.

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Mark, thanks for your input. I did have in mind say G/SA or higher but I enjoy your input also. You are right on. I was hoping someone would bring out a combo that I haven't considered and you did.

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Curious as to what you lookin to get out of it....and some of the details...
shoot me a pm... thanks, Brent

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Richard, are you thinkin of buildin' a Pontiac?

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Rich, the 68 Firebird 400 D port engine is a great combo. You can run well under the index with ( Not Trick ) But good stuff in the engine. The place to spend money right away on it is..... Trans... a 350 or lighter with a 2.75 gearset. 200 is the best choice. A good 8" converter. Fuel system, Not a Holley black pump with 3/8 line. An Aeromotive system, Magnaflow, ect.
A good carb. Start with a good base and work from there. Learn the combo and have fun doing it. Your car is the right car. You have most of the pieces you need. Good Luck....

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I sure would love to see an 81 T/A with a turbo 301 in SS/PA with a real intake and exhaust and a trans with a brake. Sounds like #1 qual. at Indy to me. I wouldn't drive it there though as it will probably be going home in a basket.

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I am considering building a Pontiac. My '69 is only competitive with other '69's. Few if any '69's can run with RJ's Ford and the Dusters. I can't afford to put a big block in it. I may find that I can't afford a Pontiac either since I am accustomed to SBC cost. Their are a couple of SBC combo's that are competitive,(Greg Hill's '70) I may be forced to chose one of those due to cost. The Pontiac's seem to have an advantage at present. See the Burton's, Todd Hoven, Leo Glassbrener(spelling?), etc. I have learned a lot from Woodro, Jim Lewis, and Jeff Stealy so I am ahead of the learning curve on some things about a Quadjet, Metric trans, etc. If the Pontiac thing doesn't work, then I may need to consider the LT1's and LS1's. If all that fails then I will try to be one of the faster '69's.

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i purchased 80/81 trans am stocker this spring, may not have money to race, will consider selling. this is neil smedley's old national event winner and old record holder. complete car, can deliver for the right deal. is any one interested? 301 turbo engine and auto trans. thanks, terry

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Are you looking for a combo to qualify well or win races? If your goal is to win, there is no doubt a late 90's early 2000's Firebird is the way to go.

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Each combo has it's advantages. If you qualify #1, you can get a bye which always helps. Plus if you're the fastest in your class any heads up run is usually a win.
The 2000/later cars are good combos but must run the Mustangs and DP's. The higher classes also get to leave second and make it easier to drive the finish line.
Decisions-Decisions!

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AFR,
I'm pretty sure Richard was asking about real Pontiac V8s.
He already has a Chevy.

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Some other considerations might be:

68 350 now that it is refactored to 305
71-72 455
74 LeMans 350 (like Bill Rink's Ventura only at 250)

I suspect that several more are good combinations with the valve job rule and current valve train technology, but $$ and the small Pontiac population have kept the development stifled.

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The `68 350 needs another 10 hp taken off to make it competitive.