Minimum and maximum weight for Stk and S/S
 

Wording in the 2011 NHRA rulebook for Stock and all classes in Super Stock Eliminator concerning WEIGHT reads as follows:

“All cars will be permitted to run on the class minimum weight, but may be no heavier than the minimum for the next heavier class.”

We have been instructed in tech to put both the minimum and maximum weight on the weight sticker that goes on the car. The maximum weight is figured by taking the minimum weight for the next heavier class and subtracting 5 pounds.

At the scales the maximum weight is enforced the same as the minimum weight…too heavy or too light is a DQ.

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

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Sounds great! Thanks Travis!

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Travis,
Thank you for the insight. I was woundering how that rule was going to be enforced.
Larry

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Great move!

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Gives new meaning to the saying "get the lead out".

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And all this time I thought the officials were just admiring my car. I guess I should have noticed the admiration was always from the weight sticker side.

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Really good move.

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Jeff, they were admiring your car, but they were also trying to figure out where you put all that weight! Jim

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Most of it is in the drivers seat, or the beer box in the truck, but that don't count.

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Travis,

So are you going to DQ someone for weighing 3 pounds under the maximum weight as it's defined in the rule book?? “All cars will be permitted to run on the class minimum weight, but may be no heavier than the minimum for the next heavier class.” If that's the rule it doesn't say anything about 5 pounds under the minimum.

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This weight thing is confusing to me, All I want to know is I run k/ stock with a 283 and i was suppose to weigh 3147 so am i legal or not, i usually weigh 30 to 50 lbs over that.

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In a word.... Yes! You are fine. 30 to 50 lbs . is smart & safe. Jim



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Terry, you are fine with that. If you show up at L weight when you claim K, you would have an issue. ( or within 5 lbs of L weight).

Don't change a thing. You coming to Earlville Memorial Day weekend for the Heartland 2 day race?

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Jim I plan on being there, cant make both days but be there for 1 day. Got my truck straighted out. 600 dollars later.

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The reason 5 pounds is used is because the scales read in 5 pound increments, not 3 pound increments. The maximum weight limit works just like the minimum weight limit. The rule has always been if you are too light it is a DQ. Now with the new rule if you are too heavy it is also a DQ.

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

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Travis, glad to hear the news. I was beginning to think that every ruling was going to favor the factory cars.

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Well, if my minimum for the next heavier class is 3500 pounds and I get on the scale and I weigh 3500, I am not heavier than the minimum for the next heavier class, correct?

You either need to change the rule to say you must weigh less than the next heavier class or allow people to weigh right on the minimum of the next heavier class.


-Toby

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Travis, what is NHRA's calibration policy for the scales?

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I agree with Toby. They either need to rewrite the rule or let us use the next class minimum weight for the maximum. Just my opinion. Dave Walther

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Scales are calibrated before a big meet.

The scales are usually open to anyone who wants to weigh their car. A lot of racers come down before their first run and weigh their cars. SOME DO NOT.

As with any new rule, it takes some getting use to. Those who move up a class need to weigh their cars before they run to be sure they fit between the min and max.

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

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Go back to running the natural class ONLY.....no moving up or down and no more than a certain amout of weight over your class min. max. End of problem and the end of these stupid games that are being played by some of you. No more running to hide from another racer that might be faster than you.

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I would agree. It would seem much more straight forward to make the "numbers" the two minimum weights. Fall anywhere in that window, inclusive, and you're good. For a whopping 5 pounds, it seems rather silly to muddy things up...

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I agree with Fletcher. KISS principle. Easy to list the minimums for each class the car can compete in.

It can't be done that way. Just for an example, my Turismo is 225lbs heavy for DF/S, but is 400lbs light for EF/S. (which points to the class structure being jacked up in my opinion, but that's the framework we have to work with currently... and I think it could be argued that since they have their new 'class singles combo', they could reinstate the old FWD classes, but I digress)

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In aa/sa or ss/aa you could not weigh more than a/sa or ss/a the only place it would be an issue is at the heaviest class.

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WTF is a "salty dog" ?Who cares if its not 1970. The more screwed up the rules are by letting more get away with crap the more problems the tech crew have in keeping up with it. All you guys think of is "Its all about me and what can I get away with". Makes no difference to me. Its all a bracket race anyway and the new cars with the bogus HP have lowered stock and S/S to the level of whale s#it.

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travis,

does what does that mean for me > i cannot fit into v/sa ?

u/sa 20lbs x 215 = 4300 + 170 driver (i wish) = 4470

how much would i have to weigh to get tossed ????

jack
like i need to pack on a few more pounds :)

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This just ain't that complex.

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Sounds simple to me. Gotta be at least 5 lb light for the next class down, right?

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Travis,
How many car (if any) have been DQed for this rule so far?
Larry

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Thank the good lord we are not mixing plutonium...... Jeez christmas I am begging for this to stop, maybe we can revisit the red light rule again and again and again and again. This is like ground hog day all over again. Lets race and have some fun. Bring on those CJ and drag pack cars.....

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NEWS FLASH!!! NEWS FLASH!!! NEWS FLASH!!!

I have been directed to post the following:

The rule in respect to weight for Stock and all S/S classes will be enforced exactly as stated in the 2011 NHRA rulebook. That means the heaviest a car can weigh in its class is the minimum of the next heavier class. There is no longer a 5 pound deduction as was used at Norwalk.

Here's hope that this clears up the matter and everyone is once again a happy racer.

It should also be pointed out that a few classes have no maximum weight. An example would be classes such as U/SA. The rulebook for U/SA shows a weight break of 20.00 or more. "Or more" means there is no way to figure a maximum weight.

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

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It should also be pointed out that a few classes have no maximum weight. An example would be classes such as U/SA. The rulebook for U/SA shows a weight break of 20.00 or more. "Or more" means there is no way to figure a maximum weight.

Jack,
That means you don't have to take the full cooler out.

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Jack,you can't fit into V at any weight.That class is for 4 and 6 cylinder classes only.

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As with almost every change thats been made lately, some people just have to find something negative to say about it. Shoot I'm glad they made this rule though it really doesn't affect me, My stuffs not fast enough to run heavy. I've been waiting for the big"atta boy" from all the guys complaining about all the "heavy" runs, I guess it's easier to complain than to commend. Joe

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Very simple. You run the class where your weight falls. What's wrong or difficult to understand about that? What could there possibly be to complain about?

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I'm going to sound stupid here but most of you know that already but what the Hell does it matter to the NHRA if I show up for B/S 500lbs too heavy?
It doesn't affect anyone but me, I'll just be slower because of the weight.

JimR

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AHFS.



Already commended them when the rule was originally announced. Atta boy, again!

Thanks for the clarification, Travis.

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I wasn't complaining. It's really not that big of a deal, but I just wanted them to follow what it says in the rule book (which they did) or change the rule.


-Toby

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Jim....Its because some of the new under rated DP's and Mustangs along with a few of the old (yes under rated) cars run really heavy in order to keep for getting hit with HP by the AHFS. its easier than trying to win a race by shutting off at 1000 ft and carry a bumper bolt length thru the traps.

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There's plenty of other ways to slow a new CJ down,

right, Big Lar... ?