What is "ProtectMode" ????
 

I am learning what i can about the world of SS/STK before we jump in next season, my question is what is this "protect mode " that everyone keep throwing around??? Is it something I need to learn ???

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Like playing poker , Don't show your hand....In other words don't run fast enough to get HP on your combo.......Learn how to lift at 1,000 ft or earlier.........You will understand once you start getting your feet wet in the S/SS world.......
Class racing at it's best....

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It is a polite way of saying sandbagging.
To ensure your precious horsepower or index doesn't get hit by the ahfs.

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Hemiparts, the real name is "The Afraid Zone"

They call it protecting your combo, not getting HP, holding for qualifying position, not showing your hand, protecting your index, and who knows what else.

Bottom line is that they are afraid to run it out and pretend that it is real racing.

Bunch of scardy cats.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA whats this pedal on the left?

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Thanks Danny, I am planning a "field trip" to Fayetteville on Sunday to do some in person research. I'm guessing it's almost like "lying back " in street racing so your opponent never see all you got. Then i guess if you get to a heads up race you can cut it loose.

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From the fast guys point of view it’s called protecting your investment.

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I guess it means if your combo gets hp thats going to drop your index , then the next event you have to make the car faster to make sure you make it high up the qualifying sheet ??

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If you're combination gets hit, you either add weight or move up a class. At least in Stock Eliminator, and the regular Super Stock classes. An index hit happens in the other Super Stock classes.

I just love how some people brag about how fast they can go, but they never do. Then they talk smack about other people who have no choice but to protect their combination. Irony and hypocrisy, all rolled into one.

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It does not drop your index ,unless you get enough HP to take you out of your natural class. It actually makes you add weight to the combo.
example:
BEFORE = wt break is 12.00x 300 (HP)=3600 lbs+ 170 (for driver)=3770 lbs
Now say that combo gets hit with 5 HP

AFTER = wt break is 12.00x 305 (HP)=3660 lbs = 170 (for driver)=3830 lbs
This is just an example ,classes and weight breaks may vary.



I will be in Fayetteville Sunday if you would like to come by i will have my IHRA classification guide books with me and can show you how this works...

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Unless he knows what (i.e. owns) the letters DP or CJ stand for do you really need to truly understand protect mode? :D

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From the slow guys point of view it's called not having to spend more money to remain competitive.

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Hemiparts, this is something pop is not going to be able to tell you how to do. Didn't ever have a break pedal that would worked until I crossed the finish line.

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Thanks for the info and the invite !@!@ I will stop by Sunday and see you !@@@!

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Guess we'll just have to learn together Pop's or you and Mr Watson will have to cover your ears when i get to the top end !! LOL LOL LOL LOL

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Alan if you are reffering to me.
I qualified number 1 at 4 nhra races in the last 2 years. Got an instant hit during that time, set 2 nhra records.
I have opted to wait and see this year so far. Still haven't heard a word about the "overall class champion" nonsense. So far one race and one major rule change.
I joke about people in protect mode. Because I doubt they can be having much fun, worrying about every run.
You can call me a lot of things but "hypocrite" isn't one of them.

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Art, its kinda funny that you automatically assumed he was talking about you...........guilty conscience?

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No guilt. Just tired of arrows in the back.
You were on the bandwagon, for doing away with singles. Bernie stated that there would be double the payouts and a class win would be worth something.
Well the scooter bros didn't change there payout one bit. Most of the companies reduced their payouts for class wins.
But a lot of "jealous" folks are happy that a bunch of other cars won't be coming home with a trophy and a few dollars.

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I assure you if Alan was launching arrows, they wouldn't be in your back. He's a pretty straight forward dude

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That's right Mr. Ortiz,
I said it once before as I am sure someone else has...Solution to the problem is..Everyone run all out...Balls to the wall,get put where the car goes and race on from there. Just my .02 cents.

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Arrows in the back? Really?

Anyone will tell you, Art, I won't say anything behind your back, I'll say it to you.

Jealous? Really? We've got a couple of class Wally's, thanks.

I have a considerable amount of respect for you and your accomplishments. I actually like you, Art, but on this subject, I disagree with you, and I have zero tolerance for you talking down to the rest of us while you don't face what we do. Go out and build yourself another AA, A, or B car, Art, an older, traditional combination, and then come out and kill it, then maybe I'll give some measure of credibility to what you have to say about those of us who have to protect our combinations. Until then, I ain't buyin any of it, and I ain't takin the flack you want to toss around without speaking up.

However, you seem to want to talk down to guys like us, who have to race the new cars, and need to protect our combinations, telling us we're not racing, not having fun, and should show our hand. And then you go bragging about how far you can bomb your index, while admitting there is ONE other car in your class, in the whole country.

Well guess what, you don't face ANY of the new cars heads up. We, on the other hand, face MOST of them in the three classes we can run in Stock, and plenty of them in whatever classes we can run in Super Stock, with either car. Not only that, if we go out and get HP, we not only hurt ourselves, but also all of our friends who have the same combinations, and face the new cars heads up, just like we do.

So, yeah, I call it irony and hypocrisy, whether you like it or not. When you face good odds of losing an entire weekend to a heads up race you have no hope of winning, and you go out, run way under, and kill your combination anyway, then come back and talk down to the rest of us Art. But then, you only have ONE car in the nation to worry about heads up, according to you. So, I'm not seeing where you EVER face what we face.

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Alan I wasn't talking down to you. I understand what you guys are going through with the new cars. But as long as these new cars are running them (not in protect mode) they will eventually settle down. This is not new I remember in the 70's you could go buy an Olds wagon. drive it to the track and run further under than our built for stock hemi. We had to run heads up with low factored, mid motored Corvettes.
Last year I laid back a bit because of a promise I made to someone. I have yet to enjoy racing in the "protect" mode. The only thing keeping me racing this year will be the overall class champion stuff. But it looks like that might be just another bunch of lies.
If you have to worry about going to fast on a qualifying pass it sucks. I had a lot of fun with my turbo dodges at the points meets till they hit me with the Artie Leong factor. It was no longer fun so I sold the car. I'm sorry you have to worry about going to fast, while knowing you aren't the fastest in the class. To me that would just suck.
And I'm not being nasty or sarcastic. But stating how I feel.

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Well at least nobody on here has confused "Protect Mode" with "Racing"

Wade Mahaffey

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Now that's funny; I don't care who you are.:D

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An index at 330, 660, 1000, &1320 ft. will take care of "protect mode".

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hell just using that data, and applying a standard deviation to the trap speed and using that in the AHFS would fix a lot

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Ha! Are you kidding? That is waaaaaaaaaaay too much work for the NHRA! Hell, they won't even factor in the weather! Everything is simply black and white, don't confuse them with the facts! Jim

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Show reaction time , 1/4 mile time & mph only.
And don't put out a qaulifying sheet til after final round qaulifying...
And use the hp factor system on 1/8 mile times "if need to be"......

How you like dat ??

Call it D W's get- r - done hp system.

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Sounds good.

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The qualifying sheets would be done in the stands like they used to.
Different cars run the 1/8 mile differently. Even in the same class. High torque cars will do a lot better in the eight.
I do agree with taking out the 1000' clocks in eliminations though.

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They run the 1/8th different, but you won't see tenths different there. Just a few hundreths.

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Doing the sheets in the stands (some still do now ) would at least make it a lttle more aggrivating though.....
No matter what you do ,someone will still figure out a way to curve the system....

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Ed the other car in my class is 2 tenths slower in the 1/8. For the same quartermile ET. But he goes 5 or 6 mph faster than me. Both cars run very well and have been tested for years.
Big difference in cubes and weight.

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I'd go back to bracket racing in a second............................................ ..........................
oh wait.............................................. .................................................. ...............................
never mind.

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It's racing with a condom on.... Won't happen in my camp.

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I wish I could say the same. I think this has a lot to do with the low car counts.
The few real crybabies have nhra's ear at the time. This all started with "Qualiying only" at Indy No class winners then qualifiers. And it's all about punishing hard work.
You are supposed to work hard on your car to get it to be fast. (within the rules). Then when you go faster than the guy that did nothing they factor you.
But I think the laugh will be on the crybabies. When nhra does away with their classes alltogether. And just runs index classes 9.0, 10.0, 11.0, 12.0, and 13.0.
Then the playing field will be equal, there will no longer be the "ego" guys just looking to run quick.
Everyone will (should) have the same mindset as Biondo, Fletcher, Beard, ETC. A win is a win it doesn't matter how fast you go.

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What happening to our performanced based eliminator? We built a stocker ( factory muscle car) because it never lets you stop thinking of ways to pick up performance. Someone is always one up! I agree a win is a win but it should come with some performance and I am not saying some are bagging or slow.. I didn't build my car to click it at 1000ft, I built it to see how well I can do against great racers with performance and dial. Art, I totaly agree with the heads up dial bull ****. I will quit before I do that. Jeff, Darren and I are having a blast in T/S so if things get worse we will build a second T/S car.

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Protect mode is a popular option when you're gettin' jiggy with your significant other. Seeing that its April 1, so to speak.:D Pat6868.

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So for instance if you get a 5hp hit and have to add and est 60lbs, if your car is fast enough that you have to lift @ 1000 ft and coast the last 330, shouldn't the car be fast enough to carry the extra weight and run all the way through??

I have heard people on here speak of 1000 ft races in SS how do you decide who wins ??

I really have no intent on stirring up or making anybody angry on this forum, I'm just a second generation racer who wants to follow his father into the ranks of SS and I'm 'just trying to use every resource to learn what i can.Thank you as always.

Chris

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Chris the problem I see is that the guy that can go fast has to add the weight. The rest of the cars in the class (different combos) don't have to. You add 60 pounds once, then twice, the three times. It's going to hurt.
The one thing I like about the hood scoop cars is they hit the index, so everyone in the class has to go faster.
The problem I have with going fast is my motor is very rpm effected. The higher I shift it the quicker it has gone. (to a point). But by using the power I'm taking life off the motor. I can run for years shifting at 7000, but it really likes 8500.

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Take away the reaction timers also. It worked for years without them.