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Wow.Kudos to NHRA and the revised AHFS system.They're handing out horsepower like a politician hands out patronage jobs.The Dodge D-150s just got 18 HP.There's hope that the out of whack combos,if they're pushed,will get the hits they deserve.
See,and everybody tells me I only get on here and bash NHRA,right Jack?

Uh, isn't that the truck that got DQ'd. I'm all for adjustments but how do you hand it out to a combo that got bounced? I know I read somewhere it was an issue with a grille or something cosmetic, however DQ'd is DQ'd correct? Of course I could be wrong on this, just didn't see any other 86 dodge truck combos on the list. Maybe there needs to be some clarification on this. IMO. Joe

DQ is DQ it should not count. If there was enough of a reason to disqualify him. wether they thought it was performance oriented or not.
Did Sorensons run count when he was light?
Seems like politics as usual for nhra no changes.

Unless the racer himself decided to bring up an illegal modification after they made the run to avoid the hit. Like draining the water to make the car light.

the problem is that these hits will be few and far between after a short while. Most of the hits so far have been very accidental or possibly due to a lack of understanding of the new system( no good explanations for the Skillmans) . The new cars that have been hit won't be fazed potential wise , but could possibly be moved out of stock eliminator. If you remember when these changes were implemented, Jeff Teuton said that it would end up affecting the older combos worse, and I think he sadly may be right. I can see more guys hurting their average in the upper classes trying to catch a DP or CJ, than i see CJs or DPs getting hit in qualifying. A small hit (from average, not instant hit) for the new cars is going to be much less detrimental than a small hit (from average) on say a 396/375.

Prime example is Bob Shaw's caddy. Its even more deadly than the some of the new cars (after what we saw at Pat's CIC race), but i bet it doesn't get hit. Bob is smart.

I'm with Art on this one...1000%; that said I think GTX John has more important things to concentrate on right now so I would vote for just letting this whole thing rest.

I agree with letting it rest, heck I don't even run Stock, however I'm confused on the issue of a DQ'd entry getting HP. I'll admit I'm not quite sharp enough to fully comprehend the ins and outs of the AHFS just seems odd to apply it this way. Heck it's their system I guess they can use it however they see fit. Joe

It works the other way also. they hit a class for a fast run but dont nessesarily tear the car down to check to see if it is 100% legal on the run. They just assume it is legal then put the penalty on the combo. I am speaking about the more tried and tested combos not the new "soft" combos as they are called.

I guess the moral of this story is:

If you do the time, you pay the HP. Or:

If you're not sure what it will run, lift at 1000 feet. Or:

If you're not sure what the vehicle is supposed to weigh, ask somebody that does know.

I don't think this is that much different than what happened to Fred Hensen. You go quick enough on a losing run, you're gonna get HP or a flag.

Also, just an FYI, the truck got 14 HP not 18.

-Toby

Sounds about right to me.

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Originally Posted by Toby Lang (Post 249528)

Toby the car should not get hit if it is illegal.
How would you like it if somebody put together a combo just like yours. But bogus as can be. Goes out and whacks your hp 6 or 7 percent. Then never runs it again, and flagrantly admits they were bogus?
I wish everyone that got an instant hit was torn down. Thats the way it should be. But if a car is found wrong there should be no hit.
If they don't change it. This is just a vindictive hit, just like I have gotten before.

You're right Toby,it was 14 HP.I mis read it.I tried to come on here when I thought NHRA finally got something right and bango,not so.Well I tried to be nice.Too bad we don't have a system here like England.When ***** goes wrong thay have no confidence elections and get a do over.We gave up that right in the early eighties.:>):>):>)

automatic help for slugs cannot and will not ever work...
WE CONTROL THE INPUT ... duh

and bob shaw after showing he was -2.08 was not flagged by the ahfs > BECAUSE WE CONTROL THE INPUT

jack

Well, if the only reason they were "illegal" was because of the wrong year grill, I really wouldn't have much to complain about, would I?

I believe there is a lot more to this story. When was the last time you heard of somebody being thrown out for the wrong body parts? I think it might have been just an excuse to throw them out for what happened earlier with the weight and class "mix up."

-Toby

danny byrd , four door seat in 2 door chevy II > 2009 US nationals

jack

Jack, the seat was correct in the Byrd cage, the body man got the car way to "slick".

We arrived and teched both of our stockers and my son's new Super/Stocker on Thursday afternoon. We knew that I had to be at Hospital for testing all morning on Friday and that I could not be at track and participate.
We planned to leave our stuff at track for Nationals plus Mopars at the Strip, and the truck was only entered at Mopar in Truck Class (Not Stock/SuperStock). It was not entered at either NHRA race.

When I arrived at track Friday afternoon, My son and Randy had teched and
raced the truck. This was a last minute decision as Randy's local race in Sac. appeared to be Rained out allowing him to stay. Randy and any of my friends new or old............................................... ................................
are ALWAY welcome to use anything I own. In fact.......Most anyone on this forum would be welcome to use one of my stockers and several have taken me up on the offer which was cheerfully given. A lot of you may remember that I drove all night home and back to bring a car for someone to drive at 2010 Finals.
However, much to my dismay, when I arrived at the track I found the truck on the ladder as the wrong year(81 Dodge) and weight (a clerical and math mistake) not having left the spec. sheets in the trailer for us to refer........ I immediately went to the Division Trailer and informed Mike Rice of the problem. He told me to go see Pat the Division Tech director and explained the problem. I asked him to disqualify the truck and take it off the ladder. He agreed but said the run had to be put into system and average. I did not and still do not have a problem (not that I would have a input anyway) with that as long as I did not get the 81 Trucks unfairly factored...and apparently it did not affect them.

I am the owner of the truck.....not my son or Randy. It is ENTIRELY my responsibility to have the right tech information available and in place on the tech cards. I should be at tech every time or not come to the race!
In the future I will have a tech card permanently taped to Roll Bar on every
vehicle we run as well as the ETI's.
I sincerely am ashamed and truly sorry for all the confusion and chaos that I unintentionally created. I really just wanted to see my friends for yet another time and see my boy's first passes in Super Stock. In the end all I did was destroy our Truck Program and not damage anyone else's factors. There is a lot more to the story (It gets even worse yet!)..............but this will suffice for right now.

Thank you,
John Irving

John, you are a very classy guy. Very well said.

In div. 3 you get torn down if you run fast enough for an instant hit.

John, I was in no way casting a negative towards your operation. I've never met you but from reading on here I'm sure you deserve the respect most show you. By explaining the situation on here, which you didn't have to do shows the caliber of man you are. I was simply asking the question.... how does a combo get hit by a DQ'd entry, for what ever reason it was DQ'd. regards Joe

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Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 249553)

It happen last week in Canada with no confidence vote.election coming up.out with old BSer's in new BSer's

I know the answer is "because we can". But, why does NHRA continue to do this? Hit a combo (deserving or not), without tearing it down to determine if it was even legal? I know when Robin Brown SS/K ran the 9.89 to get HP he tore it down so there would be no doubt about it being legal. Then you hear about weight, gas, classification over the years being wrong but still get hit HP. I wish NHRA can figure out that there own dial in rules! I will wall it the "Toby Rule!" Why, can't they just be consistant? That is all we want as racers.....Ok I am better. I agree, Mr. John, it was a very classy thing you did explaining things at they are. The best of luck to you......

larry hill >

seat did not fold, albiet a 4 door seat... while they were discussing it gracia noted the rear windows were inoperable too and he was not allowed to race at indy.

jack