2011 4.6 3 valve Ford Ok'd for stock
 

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Oh F'in joy.

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I think the factory rating on the 4.6 was 300HP, this one has 11:1 CR, Big Cam, Big Throttle Body, and special heads. Must be that NHRA thinks that stuff makes them slower so they rated it at 235.

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Sounds about right. More bogus crap.

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Last week, Ford Racing tested a 4.6L-powered CJ at Milan Dragway with driver Jimmy Ronzello at the wheel. Modifications to the engine included their high flow CNC 3-valve cylinder heads, high performance intake, hot rod cam, and 65mm throttle body,

How the hell is this approved for Stock? Last I checked porting was not allowed in stock.

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Well you can look for IHRA to add some more AA /FI classes to accomodate these engines as well so they will not start running off the slower reg class cars. Here comes more CC/FI ,DD/FI , EE/FI ect...........................IHRA will look out for you guys !!!!! Don't sell your stuff just yet....

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You have such a positive way with words, Mr. Bell.

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Its because of the way NHRA treats the rest of the racers in stock elim. Just what we need is another new purpose made car with a bogus HP rating. Stock is a joke since NHRA has accepted these new cars without a correct HP rating. Now its working its way down onto the lower clases. What else would you expect for me to say? Oh Golly gee thats cool ! This is BS.

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Danny, why dont you and Mike get your heads together and just jack up the HP ratings to where they belong? To many classes already. If your to lite on the first hit do it again until its right and if they get factored out of stock....make S/S cars out of them or has Ford paid off IHRA also?

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Because he's has a FORD loaner car to drive every day![



QUOTE=X-TECH MAN;246694]Danny, why dont you and Mike get your heads together and just jack up the hP ratings to where they belong? To many classes already. If your to lite on the first hit do it again until its right and if they get factored out of stock....make S/S cars out of them or has Ford paid off IHRA also?[/QUOTE]

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I would love to do that ,but you would have to pick a veh at random maybe and dyno it and go from there. (who's gonna do that ? $$$$) But that would be expensive. Then everyone would want to dyno everybody in most classes.....Who really knows just how much HP these cars are really making.....(besides the owners)..?
Terry, Not So Famous last words of a "NOW" retired tech-man =
I don't know......
Rules are subject to change
I don't know..........
I just don't know anymore.........
I surrender too....

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Well you realize that the new 4.6 will make it into L/SA to but with seperate classes you wont have to run one heads up unless your run some NHRA. Makes the Unleashed Index classes look even better for the ones with old combos and the local combo races are another venue as long as there are no heads up runs. .

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I am already killed at NHRA with the reg FI classes already combined with traditional stockers... He** ,i can't even beat the old carb cars in a heads-up..
Has anybody ever wondered why Prostock don't have FI instead of carbs.?
NHRA/ UNLEASHED , here i come (12.00 index) "Heads-up every round"
IHRA/ STOCK , here i come L/SA( still too slow to win a heads-up) lol
Local racing here i come Footbrake and S/SS combos
Plenty of options as of right now.

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Yep....less travel also with the cost of fuel these days.

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I've set back and just kinda watched and listened to all the talk about the new stuff being underated and I just can't be quiet any longer,I'm tired of everyone calling all these combo bogus and underated.
I think anybody that thinks these ratings are underated does'nt know what you are talking about anyone with common sense knows these ratings are in line with what these engines are capable of.
I'm pretty confident that if you dyno any of these combos they will dyno very close to what they are rated once you have half the coil packs unhooked.LOL
Mike Taylor 3601

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Good call Mike, I agree 100%

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So let us review, 2010 4.6l Mustang w/ 3valve dohc, ported, aluminium head, .476 lift cam, 2/2.5id throttle body, 11.00/1 compression, makes the same factored horsepower as that kickass, killer combo the 68 Mustang 302 windsor, 4v. Lets see, yup, both at 235 hp. It's impressive to me the amount of money and technology that went into this new motor to make the same power as one of FFFFords self acknowledged dogs.
And GM went bankrupt?

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Lets face it who is going to buy and build on of these if it was rated correctly? For 75-100 Grand you should get a free pass to the top of the heap. If you want a great combo just buy all the NHRA guys a new car to drive around and then tell them what you want at what ever joke of a rating you want.

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Mike I was very worried about you until I got down to the last paragraph. LMAO

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Lets face it, I'd rather convince Racers to take me up on my "Limited Time Offer".

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NHRA is quickly making Stock and Super Stock nothing but a joke. Very sad that they don't realize they are shooting themselves in the foot, or maybe they do understand and they are just padding their bank accounts before they economy tanks our sport. That would explain why they are taking no action to try and promote sportsman racing. Maybe they just think we are dead men walking? In any case it just proves that their moto is still "show me the money!". Jim

Wally would be so proud



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This combo has been on the books for over a year now.

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Same group off people bitching about the same thing over and over again.

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I think the new cars are great for drag racing.Who wants to build a 50 year old rust bucket into a NHRA Stocker?

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How about saying nothing for once. You seem to have an opinion about everything. Right down to what brand of toilet paper Tom Compton uses to wipe his ***!

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Compton doesn't have to wipe his ***, not while he still has racers who are willing to wipe it for him. Jim

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Racers wiping Compton's ***? Are you referring to participation? Elaborate please.

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Not trying to play the devil's advocate here, but..

Ah, I just deleted a long post. I'll sum it up so it won't be too inflamatory;
Not too many years ago I remember being on here (along with others) thinking how cool it would be for the factories to get involved in S&SS racing again. We had all kinds of great reasons for them to dump money back into our favorite sport, win on sunday/sell on monday, exposure/bragging rights for ad's. Oh it was going to be great.

Guess what. They did come back. Only they want ensure they get a good ROI so they ensure their cars are seen and seen winning. yes factors are a bit skewed..ok, a lot skewed, but since jumping back in, ford has continually made more and more racing parts available. Heck look at the street cars, as soon as chev announced that the 2012 camaro will be 550hp to beat the gt500's 525hp...ford announced the 2013 gt500 will have 600hp! That's 600HP!!!! With a warranty!! Available at any dealership!!!
Is the HP war on again? HELL YEAH! Chev has a 397hp diesel, ford puts out a 400hp. It's crazy.
You want to buy a drag car from the factory? Done.
You want to buy a body in white to build a dragcar? Done.
You want to buy the latest/greatest engine available? Done.

Yes heads up sucks if they're in the other lane. I feel for ya. It's not the racers fault for having a car that is slowly becoming obsolete. It's also not the racers fault for wanting to race a new car. Yes it is the *HRA's and the manufacturer's "fault", but look at it from their side for once and not only your own side.
Would you dump massive amount of time money and effort into something knowing that the only area you didn't put 100% was where it would count the most to get a ROI? Of course not.

At least they didn't just update the cutoff year! How much crying would there be if they said "20 year old cars maximum"?
The guide would start in 1990.
I'm just saying, it's not good, but it could be a hell of a lot worse.


(I thought this was going to be shorter??)

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I think most would have no problem if the factory was behind people racing the cars that are on the lot with the motors that came with them. Not special built engines that do not come in the street version.
It is just a slap in the face when they get a pumped up version of the street engine and it is rated well below the street versions HP numbers.

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Quote: How about saying nothing for once. You seem to have an opinion about everything. Right down to what brand of toilet paper Tom Compton uses to wipe his ***!

Thank you Sean Cour!!! About time somebody told that bloviating gas bag to shut up.

Mr. Bell needs to get a life. He seems to spend most of his miserable existence being a derisive wet blanket, here and on the H.A.M.B. He and quite a few other douchebags on here are why many more people don't participate on this forum. Between the continual bitching and talk radio politics it's not somewhere you would want to go for any intelligent discussion about Stock/Superstock racing!!!.

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Bite me AZZ hole ! Its OK when anyone else on this site says something about these underrated cars but when I say it all of you jack offs get upset and jump on me. Wake up and look at whats happening to the class racing around you. I really dont care anymore....not even a little bit....and you and all the rest who love the HP factors of these new cars can stick it where the sun dosent shine. My comments have nothing to do about the brand of car, the people who race them or the cost. Its strickly about what is right and what is wrong with class racing today. I can only hope you get outrun by one of these new underrated cars at each race you go to in the first round....that is if you even run anything but your mouth ! That goes for the rest of you NHRA suck ups. Im out of here.

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Promises, promises.

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How can there be an intelligent discussion when some people do not see anything wrong with what NHRA has done to Stock with these bogus HP ratings!!!!!

I love the new cars but hate HP ratings!!!!! It is just not right PERIOD

PS I will continue to stay home and play golf on all my free time

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Yeah, I don't really care for the factors. I also don't really care to hear someone's opinion who doesn't even race in the class. And not only that, he is the one that does the most bitching. Just sayin'

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Shame on you guys! Since when is it against the law for a crotchety old guy to bitch? Mr. Bell has devoted most of his life to Drag Racing and is entitled to bitch. He has probably forgotten (maybe not yet) more than most of us will ever know about this sport! I may not agree with him but I will defend his right to bitch with my life! Something like that. Anyway, shame on you guys. Jim

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I second that Jim.

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Ed F. posted this in another thread. I thought it was rather pertinent to this thread also:

I never said it was a poor man's class.I never said it's been a rich man's class.It's turning into a rich man's class at the top now.And as mostly Ford is releasing cars/engines with bogus HP factors,aided and abetted by NHRA,it will become a rich man's class for those who will want to keep up with the "big dicks" for class supremacy.
The "little guy" will get hurt when enough of these cars infiltrate most of the classes and
heads up runs in eliminations occur.Getting beat in class is no big deal,getting whomped in eliminations by a bogus HP car makes it hard to justify the expense to go to national events.Do you see my reasoning now?

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I would start them at 290 hp. Then it would take about the same time to work up to the real rate as the other two brands.....lol That would be fun to watch

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Sorry Jim, my post was not intended toward Mr. Bell but to all who try to defend these bogus factors. I'ts one thing coming in 30 to 50 light to start. It would'nt take long to get them in line. Mr. Bell, please continue!!

In the mean time the rest of you can beat your heads against the wall trying to keep up and i'll just play some more golf.