Sticks & Autos Together (Class)
 

NHRA has made a change to class so that sticks and autos with only one car in the class will run together. I think this is a great idea and they should have combined the two full time years ago. What is the latest qualm with doing so? It will increase the likelihood of heads-up runs and the advantages/disadvantages of each seem to be more and more minimal as automatic transmission technology has caught up and potentially passed that of manual transmissions. The records are very similar with most automatics being faster. I know this has been brought up before but I still fail to see why it would be so problematic.

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It's been brought to my attention that I have make have misinterpreted the garble NHRA likes to write. Seems you need a doctorate to interpret their craziness. I think the question is still valid though about combining the two.

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Heres' a question a friend and I wondered last week:

In Classes where Sticks and Auto's can both run (SS/AH, SS/Modified Classes, SSGT/Truck, and FWD classes), does transmission type dictate which "combo race" they will run? Example: Last year at Indy, the EF/S final, Ron Seibernick (automatic) vs Steve Polhill (stick). Had one of these drivers been a bye, would Ron have run the Stock/Automatic Class Combo and Steve the Stock/Stick Class Combo?

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Thanks Mike! I don't think NHRA thought about this when they were thinking up their Class Elimination plan.

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well, if that's the case, why not let stock/stick run clutchless?

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I guess they will just stick their head in the car and see.
And whatever they tell me to run I'm going to run. I they make a mistake it won't be my problem.

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I can't believe Bernie and the Scooter bros didn't think of that
A couple of months ago there was tons of praise for the "enhancement"
They also never though about cars that control their own destiny.
It's akin to "Vote on it, then read whats in the bill"

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I believe they are thinking of lets say a Top, middle and junior stock per say. Top=A-E, Middle=F-K and Junior for the remainder. Somthing like that. I see it not working entirely as they think. I like the idea of heads up runs but the system them have layed out I see allot more problems than potential answers. That is my .02

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x2

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im praying that another USA shows in belle rose, or as i see it ill get to run tueton for class cause nobody is dumb enough to enter his class....

however like bob shaw, if im gonna get my *** kicked it might as well be by a great guy like bob or jeff....

however, it will be my last enhanced class race > i did not build a 4500 station wagon to run a 2011 hemi heads up for a lousy $400 >

also PAT JOFFRION > how will this effect who gets into CIC race or am i screwed for that too ?????????????????????????

jack mccarthy
former class winner

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Jack the CIC race is Pat's not nhra's. He was nice enough to post a while back that everyone who would get a class single will be eligible for the CIC.
PS I wouln's expect $400 even if you win the singles thing. The new class winner contingency posting are out and it ain't pretty.

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I think that's a good idea, and let the automatics use a trans brake to even things out... all in 1 class.

That would be some interesting class eliminations....

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I've supported combining the transmissions into one class for years.
We didn't split them off when we street raced so why now? :rolleyes:

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There you go again Bill,meddling in an eliminator. you don't run.First off I know this is all
hypothetical,but we all know that there's clutchless cars already.But you say sure fine let
autos run a brake.You're a trip.

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10-4 on that statement. And why not allow a brake? That would make the stock and S/S combo races a little more fair running them together.. . LOL I can almost see Ed now down on the chip and flinging his (middle) finger off the button to show the competition a "NY salute" as he leaves the starting line. Didnt Hayden Proffit give Dave Strickler the NY salute at the finish line at Indy of 1962 for SS/S class.

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Lmao I can see Ed now.

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Seriously,you guys think it would be alright to let stockers have a brake now?

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umm, i was being sarcastic...

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Ed, years ago IHRA allowed them but the NHRA cross overs bitched. When the brakes were outlawed in IHRA nothing changed. The NHRA guys still didnt race with them, the cars didnt slow down, and the same IHRA regulars still did most of the winning. NHRA allows everything else to go on (2 steps, lite alum parts in the trans, gear sets, enhanced heads and intakes, wheelie bars, custom short run cars from the manufacturers, etc.) so whats the big deal. Use one or not. Your choice as it makes no difference especially if the 2 $HRA's combine the sticks and automatics for class in the near future.

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Half of the content of this website concerns the opposition of parts never meant to be used on stockers.You are one of the most vocal.Now all of a sudden it's ok to dumb down stock because "they allow this and that".You can't have it both ways.Well now f&%$ it I want a Holly 2 bbl and manifold because it was used on AMC 258s built for the Mexican market.And Clifford Eng. makes an alum. head I want that too.See where that will lead to?Then we'll just be SS cars and a lower class car will cost $30K to build to be competitive.
That will bring in a lot of new blood.
Just keep driving nails into the coffin.The funeral will be pretty soon.

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Eddie, put down the mouse and back away from the computer!

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Good,let's allow brakes,and I want an air shifter too.And while I'm at it I want the 2 bbl
intake and Holley carb from the Mexican market AMC's.Also the aluminum Clifford head.
I'm sure Cap't Jack would appreciate that I can leave on green and still cover him.Maybe I could even keep up with Briane Philbrick.Let's give the old A/SA cars a bit more cam to keep up with the new cars.What the hell,it's only another little advantage.
Pretty soon we'll be SSers and an entry level car will cost $30K.That will bring new blood into class racing.Yeah yeah that's the ticket.

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Be nice to have a transbrake ,then i could hook up my delay box.. been looking at a neat place to hide one too......lol. Oh and lets have throttle-stops for all the HP protectors........

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LOL. What would Ed and X do if there was no Class Racer? :)


-Toby

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I'm trying to get away from the transbrake. It breaks to many driveline parts.

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Ed I was just saying it has been done in the past. Stock is already about as DUMB as it can get. Next thing will be blowers from the factory and underrated HP factors.....Wait...Thats being done now.

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Some Stockers are using "E-SHIFT" already. Same Same.

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I would have a street rod. WITH A/C of course.

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I think you may have misunderstood my post. I said Class Racer (as in classracer.com) not class racing. :)


-Toby

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OK....I would be bored if it wasnt for guys like Ed.

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xx

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And like Ed... I would get more done around here to. Like..... drag racing this froum becomes like a drug to some of us whos lives have revolved around stock and S/S racing for so long. .

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I went my whole life till 2000 without a computer and class racer since 2001.I would survive just fine.Maybe I'd get more of the little projects done that I have going on.
I've been racing steady since 1977.Raced a little in 1967-70.I have a street car in the works so I think if i stopped posting or Kenny closed the site all would be good for me.
How about you?

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Well, I'm probably like most people on here. I can't wait to load the site and see what you and X have to say. Especially all the NHRA bashing. I can't get enough of that NHRA bashing! :)


-Toby

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Usually when I post a negative comment about NHRA,and sometimes IHRA,I usually give either an explanation of why I think it's wrong or what I think an appropriate correction should be.It's expressing an opinion.Bashing is complaining and not giving a solution
to the perceived problem.
Sometimes I make a sarcastic remark.That's just my eccentric sense of humor.

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I bash them both.....Im an "equal opportunity basher". Been around it long enough since around 1961 to see stuff change for the good and for the bad. Both *hra's are guilty as sin. They both have their good points and their bad. Have I ever won a national event or points race.....No....but I was runner up for class when you had to win class in order to get to race in the eliminator at the 1978 sports nationals at Bowling Green, Ky. NHRA was the best around then in my opinion. I was working for IHRA at that time yet still liked NHRA better as a racer. I cant say that today. What I see today is sad and Ed and myself do not sugar coat any of what we see or have experienced.
You guys have your own ideas and thoughts. We have ours without looking thru "Rose Colored Glasses".

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Hey, whatever floats your boat.

Stay thirsty my friend.


-Toby

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Come on now Toby.That's plagiarism.

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There YOU go again, ED, chastising me for offering my opinion in the "everybody's welcome" forum just because I don't currently run a class car. Do you realize that that's in direct opposition to Ken Miele's description of this forum? Are you new, here???? If you want to read suggestions from people ONLY, who have a permanent number, what are you doing HERE??? Confine your posts and abrasive criticism to the racers' forum; maybe that will make you happy...

And, if that were not bad enough, you continue your modus operandi of attacking the person who posts, without offering ONE WORD of ideas, or criticism, constructive or otherwise, about the issue at hand.

Not ONE WORD.

Oh, you did point out that some Stockers already use clutchless transmissions, a practice that is in direct contradiction to page 7 of Section 10-A of the 2011 NHRA Rule Book, which states unequivocally, "Clutchless transmissions prohibited. Clutch must be used to change gears in a conventional manner." Are you revealing that the stick shift guys are just a bunch of cheaters?

Do you have ANY thoughts on what might could work to equalize the clutchless issue for automatics, of do you just want to run your mouth???

Any real ideas/suggestions????

I thought not...

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