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art leong 03-04-2011 05:49 PM

Everyone in protect mode?
 
I see from the qualifying at 2 points races. A lot of people have forgotten how to drive or tune their cars. Or are in heavy protect mode.
nhra I'm proud of you. So much for your ahfs changes.
Is everybody happy now?

Chad Rhodes 03-04-2011 06:08 PM

Re: Everyone in protect mode?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by art leong (Post 243884)
I see from the qualifying at 2 points races. A lot of people have forgotten how to drive or tune their cars. Or are in heavy protect mode.
nhra I'm proud of you. So much for your ahfs changes.
Is everybody happy now?

i noticed the same thing Art, amazingly every CJ/DP quit running

X-TECH MAN 03-04-2011 06:11 PM

Re: Everyone in protect mode?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by art leong (Post 243884)
I see from the qualifying at 2 points races. A lot of people have forgotten how to drive or tune their cars. Or are in heavy protect mode.
nhra I'm proud of you. So much for your ahfs changes.
Is everybody happy now?

Ken and Nitro Joe said most are shutting off at 1000 ft. Thats like having sex with out having an orgasim.

Ron Ortiz 03-04-2011 06:24 PM

Re: Everyone in protect mode?
 
Posted by X-Techman. "Thats like having sex with out having an orgasim"

I did not know, you can do that!

Art, I hate to tell you this but the cars are tuned correctly and the drivers know where the stripe is. They are not in protect mode either. They are in "The Afraid Zone" They say differently though, like it's the intelligent thing to do, or I need to hold in case of heads up, or it's a chess move for the ladder, but nonetheless, it is 'The Afraid Zone". Of course with the fine efforts of creating a level playing field with the AHFS and believing manufacture ratings it has brought "The Afraid Zone" to each and every race.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA it's spooky out there

art leong 03-04-2011 06:35 PM

Re: Everyone in protect mode?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Ortiz (Post 243890)
Posted by X-Techman. "Thats like having sex with out having an orgasim"

I did not know, you can do that!

Art, I hate to tell you this but the cars are tuned correctly and the drivers know where the stripe is. They are not in protect mode either. They are in "The Afraid Zone" They say differently though, like it's the intelligent thing to do, or I need to hold in case of heads up, or it's a chess move for the ladder, but nonetheless, it is 'The Afraid Zone". Of course with the fine efforts of creating a level playing field with the AHFS and believing manufacture ratings it has brought "The Afraid Zone" to each and every race.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA it's spooky out there

I agree with you. That is the proper name for it. I didn't go because I could not put an untested (slow) program in the car and be able to data log it.
I'm in the afraid zone here at home. Will probably go somewhere where nhra can't see to work on my stuff. Before if I went fast I got 15 hundreths. and that was it. Now with their laundry list. I'm not going to kill the combo in one shot.
I hope those that thought this change up are proud of them selves. I know their ears must be burning. LOL

art leong 03-04-2011 06:37 PM

Re: Everyone in protect mode?
 
Congrats to Bob Dennis, and Grace Howell for having the guts to go 1.00 under. Even though I think it was an OOPS moment.

art leong 03-04-2011 07:17 PM

Re: Everyone in protect mode?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes (Post 243886)
i noticed the same thing Art, amazingly every CJ/DP quit running

In Div 4 almost 1 out of 10 cars is a Drag Pack. Jeff must be a great salesman LOL

James Perrone 03-04-2011 07:26 PM

Re: Everyone in protect mode?
 
Really?
WWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAA!!
Please people grow some and race.
It s way more fun here than where you internet warriors are.
Have a nice day...LOL

wupracing 03-04-2011 07:47 PM

Re: Everyone in protect mode?
 
Grace only ran .702 under they had her on an 10.50 index they have change it her index is a 10.20

18 2333 SS/DA Grace Howell, Aiken SC, '10 Mustang CJ 9.498 10.20 -0.702

Dennis P Chapman 03-04-2011 09:19 PM

Re: Everyone in protect mode?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 243888)
Ken and Nitro Joe said most are shutting off at 1000 ft. Thats like having sex with out having an orgasim.

Now thats funny Lol.

art leong 03-04-2011 09:31 PM

Re: Everyone in protect mode?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by James Perrone (Post 243898)
Really?
WWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAA!!
Please people grow some and race.
It s way more fun here than where you internet warriors are.
Have a nice day...LOL

I'll be out soon enough. I'll just learn from others, for now.

Michael Beard 03-04-2011 09:33 PM

Re: Everyone in protect mode?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by art leong (Post 243897)
In Div 4 almost 1 out of 10 cars is a Drag Pack. Jeff must be a great salesman LOL

Nah, Scott Helms runs the sales counter at Southland Speed. :p Got all my EFI stuff, rest of the pieces parts are on their way...

Nitro Joe Jackson 03-04-2011 10:16 PM

Re: Everyone in protect mode?
 
its bad, i never seen so many 1000 ft and over weight runs in my life, but its all in how bad do you want to be #1, i think what $100 to be #1 if your lucky and might cost you a couple thousand in long run, not a good trade off.
I look at it this way, they (NHRA) made the rules for this deal and the players are just playing the deal.

Talking to Bobby Dennis tonight he had no idea he would go the 1 under, his deal figured a -95 run.

"It is what it is"

art leong 03-04-2011 10:33 PM

Re: Everyone in protect mode?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitro Joe Jackson (Post 243926)
its bad, i never seen so many 1000 ft and over weight runs in my life, but its all in how bad do you want to be #1, i think what $100 to be #1 if your lucky and might cost you a couple thousand in long run, not a good trade off.
I look at it this way, they (NHRA) made the rules for this deal and the players are just playing the deal.

Talking to Bobby Dennis tonight he had no idea he would go the 1 under, his deal figured a -95 run.

"It is what it is"

That's what I figured. I'm waiting to see what happens in Belle Rose with the singles.
That is going to be interesting.. I'm glad you will be there to give an unbiased view.
If the finances were better. I'd take a trip to spectate, But we would have to pass Biloxi. And my wife would insist on stopping there.

Bernie Cunningham 03-05-2011 12:09 AM

Re: Everyone in protect mode?
 
You poor bastards can't see the forest for the tree's !!

Ya'll complain how the AHFS hasn't worked for years, NHRA makes a move to get it to work better and ya are all bitch'in again!!

Somebody save me )(*^%$@#$%^

Michael Beard 03-05-2011 12:35 AM

Re: Everyone in protect mode?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitro Joe Jackson (Post 243926)
its bad, i never seen so many 1000 ft and over weight runs in my life

I know it'd still give people some leeway within their class, but didn't they institute the "maximum weight" this year? (ie., if you weigh more than the next lower class, you have to run that class)

Ed Fernandez 03-05-2011 12:51 AM

Re: Everyone in protect mode?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Beard (Post 243961)
I know it'd still give people some leeway within their class, but didn't they institute the "maximum weight" this year? (ie., if you weigh more than the next lower class, you have to run that class)

Wanna stop this stuff?Put a tech person on each side of the track at 1100' during qualifying.You drop it at1000' twice during qualifying you go to tear down.If you
weight more than the next class down once,barn visit.
If they try to drag the brakes at 1000',barn visit.Not easy to catch, but doable.
Not showing the qualifying sheet till after the last qualifyer is good too.
Nomex underwear will be worn on return to site.

Paul Precht 03-05-2011 01:26 AM

Re: Everyone in protect mode?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 243965)
Wanna stop this stuff?Put a tech person on each side of the track at 1100' during qualifying.You drop it at1000' twice during qualifying you go to tear down.If you
weight more than the next class down once,barn visit.
If they try to drag the brakes at 1000',barn visit.Not easy to catch, but doable.
Not showing the qualifying sheet till after the last qualifyer is good too.
Nomex underwear will be worn on return to site.

I don't think they want to stop it, if they did, just using the eighth mile ET would rattle a lot of cages. Lifting before the eighth would make dialing the car pretty tough.

X-TECH MAN 03-05-2011 08:57 AM

Re: Everyone in protect mode?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 243965)
Wanna stop this stuff?Put a tech person on each side of the track at 1100' during qualifying.You drop it at1000' twice during qualifying you go to tear down.If you
weight more than the next class down once,barn visit.
If they try to drag the brakes at 1000',barn visit.Not easy to catch, but doable.
Not showing the qualifying sheet till after the last qualifyer is good too.
Nomex underwear will be worn on return to site.

Maybe NHRA should take another 5 tenths off the current indexes on top of what you said.

X-TECH MAN 03-05-2011 09:01 AM

Re: Everyone in protect mode?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Precht (Post 243969)
I don't think they want to stop it, if they did, just using the eighth mile ET would rattle a lot of cages. Lifting before the eighth would make dialing the car pretty tough.

This would help also but its all become a joke. Maybe NHRA should start running stock and S/S like comp with a CIC except use 5 tenths as the "Hammer Point" for the HP hit instead of an index change.

Ed Wright 03-05-2011 10:00 AM

Re: Everyone in protect mode?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 243992)
This would help also but its all become a joke. Maybe NHRA should start running stock and S/S like comp with a CIC except use 5 tenths as the "Hammer Point" for the HP hit instead of an index change.

Five tenths? Ouch! Almost everybody runs more than five under. That's a LOT of hp getting handed out. Somebody in Glendora would be really busy for a good while. Probably end up like Comp with only fifteen to twenty cars showing up.

X-TECH MAN 03-05-2011 11:19 AM

Re: Everyone in protect mode?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 243999)
Five tenths? Ouch! Almost everybody runs more than five under. That's a LOT of hp getting handed out. Somebody in Glendora would be really busy for a good while. Probably end up like Comp with only fifteen to twenty cars showing up.

lol....yeah maybe 5 tenths is a little to much. Its just sad that so many play these stupid games yet complain and bitch when the class cars can not draw spectators and NHRA treats them as red headed step children. Is it any wonder that the contengices are falling faster than the number of cars showing up to race. I know the economy dosent help things but the class racers are their own worst enemy. Who would want to watch a show with every one letting off at 1000 ft or prearanging the winner of a heads up run to save their HP factors. The class cars are about as exciting as watching the start, stop, stumble cars anymore. Performance is secondary to a bracket race. The AHFS will NEVER work because of this.

art leong 03-05-2011 11:23 AM

Re: Everyone in protect mode?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bernie Cunningham (Post 243955)
You poor bastards can't see the forest for the tree's !!

Ya'll complain how the AHFS hasn't worked for years, NHRA makes a move to get it to work better and ya are all bitch'in again!!

Somebody save me )(*^%$@#$%^

Yeah bernie. Is this change we can belive in?
bernie the only forest we can't see is owned and operated by you.

BTW are you part of the paac?

Ed Wright 03-05-2011 12:08 PM

Re: Everyone in protect mode?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bernie Cunningham (Post 243955)
You poor bastards can't see the forest for the tree's !!

Ya'll complain how the AHFS hasn't worked for years, NHRA makes a move to get it to work better and ya are all bitch'in again!!

Somebody save me )(*^%$@#$%^

Well said!

mannymen 03-05-2011 12:24 PM

Re: Everyone in protect mode?
 
The NHRA doesn't want to deal with SS and stockers as they are trying to limit their expenses and generate more revenue. The less people they have to pay for SSer and stocker monitoring the better, so policing will be at a minimum in regards to their budget. The business office will surely look at their SPC charts and cut the program out if it's becoming too much of a problem. Your best bet is to start a SS and Stocker sanctioning body (and create your own rules) to help the NHRA and IHRA out and make everyone perform volunteer work and police others if they want to race.

Barry Polley 03-05-2011 12:42 PM

Re: Everyone in protect mode?
 
They are so fast NHRA put them under the 1000' rule. ;)

art leong 03-05-2011 12:47 PM

Re: Everyone in protect mode?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mannymen (Post 244022)
The NHRA doesn't want to deal with SS and stockers as they are trying to limit their expenses and generate more revenue. The less people they have to pay for SSer and stocker monitoring the better, so policing will be at a minimum in regards to their budget. The business office will surely look at their SPC charts and cut the program out if it's becoming too much of a problem. Your best bet is to start a SS and Stocker sanctioning body (and create your own rules) to help the NHRA and IHRA out and make everyone perform volunteer work and police others if they want to race.

You have a point but the problem is the a$$holes with their own interests at heart.
How many people on here have actually posted in defense of someone elses interests?
They bitch there are to many classes in one post, then cry to add classes for the new cars in another.
They want the index hit just enough as to not effect them.
They want rules changes that helps them, but doesn't effect others.
Thats why what you posted will never work.

Dinsdale 03-05-2011 04:04 PM

Re: Everyone in protect mode?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 244011)
Its just sad that so many play these stupid games yet complain and bitch when the class cars can not draw spectators and NHRA treats them as red headed step children. Is it any wonder that the contengices are falling faster than the number of cars showing up to race. I know the economy dosent help things but the class racers are their own worst enemy. Who would want to watch a show with every one letting off at 1000 ft or prearanging the winner of a heads up run to save their HP factors. The class cars are about as exciting as watching the start, stop, stumble cars anymore. Performance is secondary to a bracket race. The AHFS will NEVER work because of this.

Exactly what I was thinking and one of the reasons I ditched my "Stocker" project in favour of having fun with our Stick Shift group.

FINESPLINE 03-05-2011 05:21 PM

Re: Everyone in protect mode?
 
What a joke. Pretty soon everybody will have a lawyer/spokesman at the scales. IT USED TO BE DRAG RACING !

GeorgeInNePa 03-07-2011 09:11 AM

Re: Everyone in protect mode?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 243991)
Maybe NHRA should take another 5 tenths off the current indexes on top of what you said.

Didn't they add 3 tenths in the early 90s?

The Hawk 03-07-2011 08:45 PM

Re: Everyone in protect mode?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeorgeInNePa (Post 244312)
Didn't they add 3 tenths in the early 90s?

Back in `92 it was 2 tenths for most classes,some only got .15.


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