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Here are 2 races that if the tree had been set for true wins, second car wouldn't automatically get the win

Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
7025 Gerald Stein 5717 Bobby DeArmond
E1 -0.007 10.876 120.21 ****WINNER**** -0.011 10.029 130.64
D/SA Dial: 10.89 (+/-): -0.014 A/SA Dial: 10.07 (+/-): -0.041
Qualified: #37 10.850 -0.700 #5 10.050 -0.950


Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
7240 Kayla Mozeris 6111 Mary Ann Method
E1 -0.005 11.600 113.76 ****WINNER**** -0.477 10.632 123.05
J/SA Dial: 11.56 (+/-): 0.040 C/SA Dial: 10.71 (+/-): -0.078
Qualified: #7 11.560 -0.890 #39 10.714 -0.686

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NOPE....first or worse, the way it should be. If you think there is an advantage having the faster car, then that is what you should race.....everyone knows what the rules are.

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Not this **** again

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The tree was fixed the right person lost, get a clue casey? getting that rule passed is like not letting john force take up 12 parking areas in the pits

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Only the low classed cars think that way. If they had to give a lot of head starts they might see what it's like having a car drive past the tree while you are watching it. I'm in the middle, meaning I have a lot of pairings both ways. I prefer to leave first. Driving the finish line is easier with the fast car, not the starting line. If the first car goes red, the 2nd car often sees if he could push the tree further than normal, or just decides to not sit on the trans brake any longer for no reason. I know I do both. The lights I see from many of those 8 second hood scoop cars I get to race, when I go red, I know they weren't trying to cut a light. They just said "heck with it" and left.
2nd car red does NOT mean he would have been red with the rules changed. Some people just need to get over it, or build a faster car.

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x2

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What Ed said X-2,,,,John

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Not this **** again

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I had to laugh when i seen this, if i'm the faster car and the other guy red lights i'm counting to 3 after the my green comes on if thats the rule, lol

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I bracket race as does everone else, but this isn't the old days any longer, the software could easily be put into the tree and it would make for better racing. Think about your cell phones now, you can monitor your house and know where your loved ones are by just pushing an app on the device. The first or worst rule is old style thinking. I would prefer to know that I won a race and that the wasn;t given to me because the other driver fouled in front of me. The faster car isn't an issue, the faster car may become a handicap. Also, look at the field in Pomona, 15% of the field are A/SA, how many fast cars can there be at one race, that would also change with more of a diversed field.

Casey Miles
248H Stock?

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Please give it up ... the horse, the dog, the cat, the rabbit is dead ..

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[QUOTE=Casey Miles;242277] but this isn't the old days any longer, the software could easily be put into the tree and it would make for better racing.

What am I missing ?? How would changing this rule make racing better ..........

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No free rides on red lights, you don't know who goes red untill both drivers leave the tree.
Since this isn't such a good topic, lets add no reaction times or increments down track.
Casey Miles
248H Stock?

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The only change I would like is for me to be able to put 5 million watt strobe lights pointed at the other driver when I leave the line.That would (As Lynn Mc Carty used to say) level
the playing field.

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hardtobeanywhere, Define "worse" please.


Ed Wright, Try that when you give up a tenth spot.

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" Quote "
Since this isn't such a good topic, lets add no reaction times or increments down track.
Casey Miles
Why would you want to do that ? would'nt that be like "old Drag racing" ? Leave it alone ,there is a lot more to worry about than re- inventing drag racing!!!!!

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As I crossed the center line and hit the wall, I feel 'worse' than the guy that just redlighted against me......

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This very thing happened to me last weekend. And if i had been green i would have won . It's my fault i went red PERIOD! Why change anything butt, the amount of time we practice. Why do some (,that wen't in that race ) feel the need to change anything. Practice more complain less.

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Okay....and just how does that relate to this debate?

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Try defining FIRST OR WORST at the finish line on a double breakout????

The people that get it, get it & the people who don't, don't

Bob

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Bob , I was just laying out the bait there.
Of course, you knew that...

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NHRA, you ought to be ashamed of yourselves. To allow this lunacy of “first or worst” foul start during handicap racing to continue is borderline criminal.


You may as well alter pro racing to this: The only foul starts that count during any pro race, where both cars leave at the same time, is when the lower qualified car red lights. This would make about as much sense.


It is time to fix this to THE WORST RED LIGHT IN EVERY RACE, WHETHER HEADS UP OR HANDICAP, IS THE LOSER.

Anything less is nothing more than welfare and favoritism to faster cars.

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And the beating stick has long since been used in a bonfire lol. Why can't message boards have software to prevent threads like this?

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Dale, you said it all. Heck if I was planning on a red light I would've stayed at home. But we all know it's a possibility.
Ernie Neal

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Everyone knows the rules when you start playing this game and you build a car. If you don't like the rules, why start? Try fishing or golf

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Great post Chad -

Nothing much to add after that, but I will!



Lew

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I personally think that if you are going to care enough to complaine about this issue, then you arent going to win many races anyway. Redlights dont win.

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Coming from a racer who leaves first 98% of the time,I like the way it is. Knowing what the rules were 27 years ago it made me become a better racer in my early days of handicap racing. If you don`t like to leave first,build a faster car.

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Someone who can remember, please comment on this but as I recall (long, long ago) there was a time when the first red light locked out the other side and two red lights were not possible??

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This should be used aloooooot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[QUOTE=Pvt Parts;242358]Someone who can remember, please comment on this but as I recall (long, long ago) there was a time when the first red light locked out the other side and two red lights were not possible??[/QUOTE

You are correct, it was before rt's were givin.

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Well said.
85 % of the time I bracket race, I have the slower car.
That fact alone has forced me to spend more time with a practice tree.

There are advantages to having a faster car, and there are advantages to having a slower car.
I just had to learn how to win with a slower car.

It's all equal.

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Let me understand this correctly: You actually like the fact, that your opponent may not have to to take a shot at the tree?

I would then presume you would not like it at all if your opponent always had to take a shot at the tree? You would feel guilty if a faster car lost, only because they had a worst foul start than your own?

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When one vehicle dials 10.50, and the other dials 10.60, what are these advantages and disadvantages?

What are these advantages and disadvantages when one car dials 12.95, and the other dials 13.15?

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same for u bunker

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Not much difference in your example.

However, if the dial ins are over 1 second apart :
Slower car drivers have to learn the art of judging "rate of gain" while looking over their shoulder.
Slower drivers are ALWAYS closer to the finish line ....until the last few inches.
Faster car drivers don't have to look over their shoulder and have a real good view of the slower car's front wheels.

Hell, I could go on and on, but what's the point...........

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Don't we have enough problems right now!!!!! Why don't we get the current problems under control (whitch will never happen) this doesn't seem to be that big a deal. If we or them would quit F--$king up the rules all the time may be we could get some of the major problems under control or evan fixed..

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Dont fix this now , I have my AA/sa car about done!
Dan