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Chad Rhodes 02-11-2011 07:46 PM

I wonder...........
 
what Dave Thomas and the other SS/AA guys think about the cobra jets now?

2 243 SS/AA Roy Hill, Sophia NC, '10 Mustang 8.534 9.70 -1.166

6 15 SS/AA David Thomas, West Chester PA, '69 Corvette 8.760 9.70 -0.940

X-TECH MAN 02-11-2011 08:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes (Post 239481)
what Dave Thomas and the other SS/AA guys think about the cobra jets now?

2 243 SS/AA Roy Hill, Sophia NC, '10 Mustang 8.534 9.70 -1.166

6 15 SS/AA David Thomas, West Chester PA, '69 Corvette 8.760 9.70 -0.940

Yeah......I wonder.....LOL.

Arnold Greene 02-11-2011 08:47 PM

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He was on the brakes at 1000' and had some sort of oil leak....smoking half way down the track.........only ran 135. It was easily in the high 8 thirties if he had stayed in it.

Ed Wright 02-11-2011 09:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Arnold Greene (Post 239493)
He was on the brakes at 1000' and had some sort of oil leak....smoking half way down the track.........only ran 135. It was easily in the high 8 thirties if he had stayed in it.

Which car?

Arnold Greene 02-11-2011 09:11 PM

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Roy Hill's SS/AA supercharged Mustang, not sure if it is an 08 or a 2010. Dave ran the .76 @ 155 ,or 156 and never lifted..........there was a light out on the scoreboard and I couldn't tell the exact speed.

Ed Wright 02-11-2011 09:15 PM

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That's impressive.

Arnold Greene 02-11-2011 09:17 PM

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More like OUTRAGEOUS!

Ed Wright 02-11-2011 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Arnold Greene (Post 239501)
More like OUTRAGEOUS!

Especially since it's really a Stocker!

X-TECH MAN 02-11-2011 09:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Arnold Greene (Post 239501)
More like OUTRAGEOUS!

Almost as fast as your old Camaro as a Top Stocker.....LOL.

X-TECH MAN 02-11-2011 09:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 239502)
Especially since it's really a Stocker!

Nothing Roy has ever raced was a stocker.....LOL. That Mustang is Fords S/S combo.

Arnold Greene 02-11-2011 09:25 PM

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Yeah, Terry........I wish. I didn't have the 'enhancements' of the 67 car that won the championship. LOL...As far as the SC Mustangs, they had better build them with 7.50 cages. I don't know if Roy's has been updated..........could be the reason for the brakes???

Ed Wright 02-11-2011 09:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 239504)
Nothing Roy has ever raced was a stocker.....LOL. That Mustang is Fords S/S combo.

The one Todd Patterson drives in SS supposedly has never been apart. You sure about Roy's?

X-TECH MAN 02-11-2011 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Arnold Greene (Post 239505)
Yeah, Terry........I wish. I didn't have the 'enhancements' of the 67 car that won the championship. LOL...As far as the SC Mustangs, they had better build them with 7.50 cages. I don't know if Roy's has been updated..........could be the reason for the brakes???

I looked at it at the PRI show but we got to talking about the old days and I didnt pay attention if it was certified to 7.50 or not. Roy likes to BS a lot. We go way back to around 1971.

X-TECH MAN 02-11-2011 09:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 239509)
The one Todd Patterson drives in SS supposedly has never been apart. You sure about Roy's?

I know that it has a different engine that was done up for S/S when he ran it late last year. That engine was about 2-3 tenths quicker than the one that came in it. I dont know what is in it now but it sounds like the good stuff to run that quick.

danny waters sr 02-11-2011 09:48 PM

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Roy has been 5.50's in the 1/8 mile and this was a little over a year ago (maybe 2 years ). Private testing at an 1/8 mile track and still was de-tuned then.............These cars are CRAZY FAST ......I still like them though.

Ed Wright 02-11-2011 10:09 PM

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I love them. Just wouldn't want to have to race them heads up with something else. Lol

danny waters sr 02-11-2011 10:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 239523)
I love them. Just wouldn't want to have to race them heads up with something else. Lol

I'm with ya on that !! //You would not have to in IHRA .......That's why we got toooooo many classes ...You ought to have to try to keep up with them all......Makes me tired ...lol

X-TECH MAN 02-11-2011 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by danny waters sr (Post 239526)
I'm with ya on that !! //You would not have to in IHRA .......That's why we got toooooo many classes ...You ought to have to try to keep up with them all......Makes me tired ...lol

They would in S/S wouldnt they Danny? No seperate FI class.

danny waters sr 02-11-2011 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 239528)
They would in S/S wouldnt they Danny? No seperate FI class.

Yes ,but it could change........
This is already under Super stock modified /
SS/AFI.....7.50 to 8.49 lbs percubic inch

SS/BFI.....8.50 to 9.49 lbs per cubic inch

SS/CFI.....9.50 to 10.49 lbs per cubic inch

**90 mm IHRA accepted throttle body maximum

I would not be surprised to see this also added to super stock as we did the stock classes ,just to protect the older combos...May have to change the weight break a little to make it work........What you think.?.....I know we already have a lot of classes ,but why run off the old just cause there is new out there .It might be dying ,but it ain't dead YET.....

James Perrone 02-11-2011 10:55 PM

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Roys car is backhalved SS only

danny waters sr 02-11-2011 11:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by James Perrone (Post 239537)
Roys car is backhalved SS only

Just did that this past year.........Tires were sticking out a little tooo much at the Rockingham race......

Stephen & Horace Johnson 02-12-2011 05:19 PM

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I heard the CJ, broke today...anybody know what went away??

Chad Rhodes 02-12-2011 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen & Horace Johnson (Post 239641)
I heard the CJ, broke today...anybody know what went away??

that's a shame

Ed Wright 02-12-2011 05:35 PM

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That's got to be an expensive repair. They look like a nightmare to work on. Really cool cars though.

Arnold Greene 02-12-2011 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes (Post 239645)
that's a shame

It really is a shame.......it saved the Fords from instant horsepower on Tuesday!

Ed Wright 02-12-2011 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Arnold Greene (Post 239649)
It really is a shame.......it saved the Fords from instant horsepower on Tuesday!

That too!!

Chad Rhodes 02-12-2011 05:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Arnold Greene (Post 239649)
It really is a shame.......it saved the Fords from instant horsepower on Tuesday!

good point Arnold

Arnold Greene 02-12-2011 06:58 PM

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The oil smoke that I referenced yesterday on Roy Hill's SS Mustang, was from a blown headgasket.....was definitely on a mid 8.30 run with his current tune up. The cage was updated when the car was back halved, so stay tuned for the SS/AA and SS/A wars.

Charley Downing 02-12-2011 09:29 PM

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Imagine this the same few ***** Clowns making %90 of the negative posts.
What a shock.

Ed Wright 02-12-2011 09:45 PM

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Most of us like the cars just not the bogus hp ratings.

Randall Klein 02-12-2011 09:55 PM

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Well here's another one bud, I guess the deep pocket "buy-a-rocket" crowd has no problem throwing guys like Thomas, Couris, Greene, probably Armstrong et al under the bus....guys that have poured their heart and soul into heritage muscle cars, the backbone of class racing...what arrogance....we're watching 'em hang it up....so all youse "suddenly fast guys" can just race yourselves....Dvorak had it pegged years ago, you guys ain't heros, just in the wrong class....and no chest beating will convince anybody that really knows....so line up all them refrigerator white 'stangs and fat MoPars and tell yourselves your fast.....90% negative.....and your surprised?

Ed Wright 02-12-2011 10:18 PM

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Well said Randall.

Arnold Greene 02-12-2011 11:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Charley Downing (Post 239683)
Imagine this the same few ***** Clowns making %90 of the negative posts.
What a shock.

Straight from the Ford guys in DeFranks pit, "we were going to get concessions from nhra and if we can't make a statement, we're not going to be on board". YOU, nhra, and Ford are the ASSCLOWN's. You all have cheated the very people that supported nhra since the beginning. Enjoy your bogus factoring while you can, because Roy doesn't care about the horsepower. You will be where you belong shortly. What's after SS/AA? Maybe he will have a stocker that can accelerate the factoring process, as well.

I have nothing against the new cars as long as they are factored correctly. Nhra has thrown all of the old combinations under the bus and whatever they get, they most certainly deserve. The new cars cover from AA-M/stock, if my calculations are correct. When these guys start lining up against cars that have them covered by 4 tenths to a second, how long do you think they will spend the money to race? Maybe nhra wants this....I certainly don't know.

You guys go out and go fast with a car that shouldn't be in the classification you are running, and you think you have done something. While I could join you in the new car farce, I have principles. I would never do this to the friends and competitors that I have made over the years. I didn't expect the manufacturers to have principles, because they only want to sell a car. However, I did expect the sanctioning body to have enough principle to provide a reasonably close factor for heads up races. Again, I do not know what they want, but I certainly hope they get what they deserve.

Maybe someday we'll get the chance to discuss 'assclowns' and principles.

Marine One 02-13-2011 12:27 AM

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U are right Charley the same old no race posers on here making negative comments! Maybe they should get off the keyboard,spend some money on their old outdated junk and try to actually go racing! There is alot of racing going on in Florida rite now and one of the biggest blowhards on here (Chad Rhodes) hasnt been to one yet! Hmmmmmm!? Still must be testing!? What a dreamer!

Chad Rhodes 02-13-2011 02:16 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by b.d.d. (Post 239714)
U are right Charley the same old no race posers on here making negative comments! Maybe they should get off the keyboard,spend some money on their old outdated junk and try to actually go racing! There is alot of racing going on in Florida rite now and one of the biggest blowhards on here (Chad Rhodes) hasnt been to one yet! Hmmmmmm!? Still must be testing!? What a dreamer!

nope asshole, deciced to do some IHRA racing. Going to Baton Rouge friday. How about you even own a ****ing race car before you mouth off?

once again b.d.d. stands for Big Dumb Douchebag

Chad Rhodes 02-13-2011 02:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Arnold Greene (Post 239712)
Straight from the Ford guys in DeFranks pit, "we were going to get concessions from nhra and if we can't make a statement, we're not going to be on board". YOU, nhra, and Ford are the ASSCLOWN's. You all have cheated the very people that supported nhra since the beginning. Enjoy your bogus factoring while you can, because Roy doesn't care about the horsepower. You will be where you belong shortly. What's after SS/AA? Maybe he will have a stocker that can accelerate the factoring process, as well.

I have nothing against the new cars as long as they are factored correctly. Nhra has thrown all of the old combinations under the bus and whatever they get, they most certainly deserve. The new cars cover from AA-M/stock, if my calculations are correct. When these guys start lining up against cars that have them covered by 4 tenths to a second, how long do you think they will spend the money to race? Maybe nhra wants this....I certainly don't know.

You guys go out and go fast with a car that shouldn't be in the classification you are running, and you think you have done something. While I could join you in the new car farce, I have principles. I would never do this to the friends and competitors that I have made over the years. I didn't expect the manufacturers to have principles, because they only want to sell a car. However, I did expect the sanctioning body to have enough principle to provide a reasonably close factor for heads up races. Again, I do not know what they want, but I certainly hope they get what they deserve.

Maybe someday we'll get the chance to discuss 'assclowns' and principles.

excellent post Arnold

Charley Downing 02-13-2011 08:39 AM

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Arnold you have been around along time, how are these new cars any different then past under factored combos.

1968 hemi cars kicking Everyone's ***** in the late 60's and early 70's.

The late 70's and 80's under factored olds combs (with parts they never made).

The mid 90's LT1 rated at 275hp to start now well over 340hp

The 2002 LS1 rated at 325 to start now almost 370hp

All these combos were bogus HP to start. This is not something new. You guys act like it’s the end of the world. I ask you all this one question. What form of motorsports is old technology allowed to stay competitive?

And the part about old combos being thrown under the bus give me a break.
Three of the top five qualifiers at this weeks Fla PTS race were combos from 1969 and older.

Chad just so you know the SCJ can never be taken out of SS/AA they are hear to stay. Good luck with your IHRA racing. If it works for you that great. But be prepard for anything.

X-TECH MAN 02-13-2011 09:03 AM

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[QUOTE=Charley Downing; This is not something new. You guys act like it’s the end of the world. I ask you all this one question. What form of motorsports is old technology allowed to stay competitive?

.[/QUOTE]

Can you say NASCAR ! They STILL use carbs and not "Fool REJECTION" and are doing fine from what I can see.

SSGN 02-13-2011 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 239727)
Can you say NASCAR ! They STILL use carbs and not "Fool REJECTION" and are doing fine from what I can see.

Umm Nascar is going Fuel injected in 2012,Still boreing to watch.It is the Pandoras box that they will never get the lid back on.This is a whole new way to cheat.

Kevin

B.D.D.2 02-13-2011 09:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes (Post 239718)
nope asshole, deciced to do some IHRA racing. Going to Baton Rouge friday. How about you even own a ****ing race car before you mouth off?

once again b.d.d. stands for Big Dumb Douchebag

I thought a racer of your high caliber and knowledge would take advantage of 3 pts meets and 1 nat event in his home state!? But these are NHRA events(A leauge) and you are going to race IHRA(B leauge). Correct me if im wrong but hasnt their already been 1 IHRA nat and 1 pts meet in your home state this year already? And your going to Baton Rouge? Oh well! U still wont be able to outrun anybody or win a round in eliminator so i guess it really doesnt matter anyway! Now does it!!!??? See ya at the gators(as a spectator no less) u have to have grading points to come play with the big boys and enter a NHRA nat!But im sure u already know this! Since ur the ALL KNOWING SMART GUY on here!


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