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Since we're a bunch of malcontents and bitchers and moaners here's a question.
What ONE rule or procedure would you like to see our fearless leaders in Glendora
strictly apply in this coming year?
One and one only.
Fasten your seat belts,it's going to be a wild ride.

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"The Golden rule" Treat others as you would like to be treated. If you apply that everything will be just fine!

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Apply the correct HP factors to any and all combinations no matter what the year they were built. New, old, injected, carburated.....dosent matter.....by getting rid of the AHFS for starters. .

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Mandatory retirement age.

Don

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Ed, Are you saying that you know of cars that have set records that HAVEN'T been torn down? If so, where? And better yet, who?

We've been torn down five times at National Events over the years and in several instances have still had the seals on the engine a couple of weeks later and set the record, and we always have to tear down again for the record.

Jerry

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Maybe it says in the East Coast NHRA Rule Book if you hold your mouth just right you can skip the Record Run Inspection.

The West Coast NHRA Rule Book "requires" an inspection after setting a record.

There you go, see the East Coast Rule Book is better than the West Coast Rule Book.

We haven't set any records on the East Coast, so we always had to pull it apart after setting a record

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Dump the accepted fuel list................$10, $12, $14 a gallon for some pretty colored, NHRA sponsor stuff is obscene. Pump gas only. Everyone bring 5 gallons to tech, dump it in a big tank, stir it up and take 5 gallons back. Now we are all on the same page at a reasonable expense.

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Jerry,I saw one a while back and heard of another second hand.
I figured this thread would go to ***** (not your post Jerry),and it didn't take long.NHRA is going to get away with letting our eliminators go to crap due to lack of pressure on them to correct a lot of problems,whether caused by us or them.
I think I'll pull the plug on it.
NHRA does teardown cars when a car runs fast enough to set a record.The incedent I saw concerned a car going stupid fast,then
coming back the next run without the B on the window.That's not NHRAs fault.That's a case of the racers making a mockery of the
system.It was his option to do that,but it doesn't mean it's right.The other incedint was the alledged radiator emptying a while back.
I hope that clears up my statement,which I have deleted from my original post.

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Ed,
I never saw anyone set a record and not come apart.

What did I miss?

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Ed,

I get where you're coming from. Thanks!

Jerry

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I think National records should be set at sea level tracks. No altitude adjustments allowed.

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What would be your method of applying the correct HP factors? The AHFS did away with personal opinions one might have of another racer or race car when considering HP factors.

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Eddie, if you and I are thinking about the same incident, the racer it concerns was asked by a DD not to backup the record because there was no time for a teardown.

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Every year, over the winter NHRA should look at all of the combos that went "silly" fast over the course of the previous season and in one shot bring them back into line. Example, if one combos "average" is 3 tenths faster than the rest of the classes "average" then give that combo enough HP to slow it down at least 2 tenths in one shot.

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Billy for national tech director!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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No shoe polish allowed.

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Ed, I'd like to see Glendora give us Stock/Super Stock racers our .30 seconds back that they took from us last year, but I know they won't which sucks canal water!!!

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That's probably the one.If that's the case then shame on NHRA for not making time available or doing it after the race.I don't know if that would have to be a call from national tech or divisional tech.Anyhow,national tech should let the car/cars be checked and
pay for any extra time incurred for the local tech personnel.Only disassembly and inspection is needed.Reassembly is not necessary.
If you want a record you might have to put up with a little inconvienience.If you're issuing a record,same thing.

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some older stockers won't run on pump gas, AT ALL

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Get an un-altered one, tie it down on a chassis dyno. Average drivetrain loss for a stick car is 15%. 20% for an automatic car. If it makes more than the claimed rating at the tires, start with that. It would still be a little soft but guys couldn't cry about the drivetrain loss factor being wrong for a particular vehicle.

I don't agree with the pump gas deal at all.

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The almost criminal situation in handicap racing, where one car might not have to take a shot at the tree, is way overdue for correction: Worst foul start shall be the loser.

No more freebies for the quicker car.

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What class do you run?

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Contingency payments to be paid to us within 30 days just like the PRO's.

No exceptions, no excuses, no delays, no special qualifiers, no triple proof of purchase, etc.

If a *HRA sponsor posts contingency award to the sportsman for using their product they should be held accountable for pay such posting within a timely manner.

Why can't the *HRA's do this one thing for the sportsman racer?

Some contingency posters are great, many are pretty good, some are slow, and then again there are always the perennial stiffs.

This is Manley's latest stall tactic "Checks are cut, but CFO has not yet released them".
:rolleyes:

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I think he races in Super Stock and Modified years ago.

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Lets start with that...seat belts. If it's SFI approved once, it's SFI & NHRA approved forever (or until an obvious problem)! I would count sun faded as a problem. I've replaced frickin' belts that had dozens of passes on them and they sat in my cool garage the remaining times.

And I've always been a proponent of "traditional" aluminum roller rockers for Stockers. That or take away any modified lifters. That means NO MODIFICATIONS. Take your pick.

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How about strictly applying this rule in Stock?:

"CYLINDER HEADS
Porting, polishing, welding, epoxying and acid-porting prohibited."


Is it impossible to tell an acid-ported head from an untouched head?

I bet if we got the crew from CSI: Miami to look at them they would be able to tell the difference.


-Toby

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Bring back deep staging and anyone caught complaining gets 5 hp on their own car (only). In fact let us make the same money (donate the rest to a legal charity not NHRA) we made in the 70's so we can make everything in house, while we are at it no motor homes and stacker trailers unless you make coffee for the who ever is parked next to you regardless of class they run and bring back quaker state motor oil giving free cases of oil at national events..... Be back later with more, I am a little tired after all these quality suggestions.

Oh and before I come back any racer or team owner or anyone affiliated with a racing team suggesting a self serving rule gets one years as a tech offical in their division. All rules will be developed and voted on by the fans or sideline experts.

Ahhh I love the winter.

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So Joe, the next time that you break into the meds locker, take the other pink pills.

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Billy, my friend I have more coming but I took a little blue pill by accident, it go stuck in my throat and now I have a stiff neck...

Hope you are having a great winter.

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How about anyone who red lights is out... Forget about who red lights first, who red lights worst, if both red light they are both out and the next opponent on the ladder has a bye run.. yeah thats the ticket.

AND,,, if you are suspected of cheating but don't get caught you have to be a contestent on the Jerry Springer show.

Now we are cooking baby. I need a nap. Later

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Joe, if you have that stiff neck for more than four hours, seek medical attention!

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Bill now that is funny, hahahahahaha,

I couldn't sleep so another great suggestion on my part is that since the HP issue has been around for quite a while and has really come to a head this past year I am suggesting no make that demanding that no new cars be aloud in my class only. I had my brains beat out by the firebirds when they first came (l was walloped once heads up in 15 years, that quaiflys me to say this) and now the new mustangs & DP's.

If they run in my class I get for that run only (see I am not being greedy) to go back to my original HP (minus 78hp) and the new cars add the 78 hp to thiers and we give it a go.


I like this tread and hope Kent Hanely my rep is writing this all down.

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Alright almost done, one more suggestion before I never come on this board again until the next time because some of my trusted friends hurt my feelings. I can not tell you who called and said mean things to me because it would not be discreet (Angelo DiTocco, Jerry McNeish and maybe 5 others) but how about we boycot all NHRA events until it warms up.

In a sadistic way I feel better. Thank you class racer this is better than therapy.

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I am really done now Ed Fernandez and Jack Matyas called.

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Joe, you just proved my point for me (you're taking the wrong meds)! They NEVER call me!

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Toby

Thats funny!

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REALLY ! What ever happened to sealing a motor and have them tear it down at the
next race ? Lame excuse if you ask me.

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If _HRA wasn't afraid of a law suit I think they would be thinking about applying the "Billy Meyer theory" to cut costs right about now.:D

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The sealing paint is to easy to get. Any color and some guys carry it in their tool box in the trailer.

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A sign from George Ray's Drag Strip, regarding red light issues.