Who's fault are the new cars?
 

Who's fault are the new cars?
I blame nhra and the racers more than the factories.
For years stock has been massaged more and more away from anything that resembles a street driven car. The rules constantly get further away from real stock. Wheelie bars and superceded custom made parts are allowed, cars that were not made 30 years ago are now legal in stock.
And now the racers are crying because the factories built a better mousetrap.

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I place the blame ultimately on NHRA only. I mean the factories fired a wild *** number out there, and probably expected it to be a starting point for negotiation. NHRA just swallowed it hook line and sinker and the factory has been taking a mile, ever since they were given that first inch.

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What is real stock?

Acid ported heads that are covered up?
Bogus Acid ported intakes?
Aftermarket pistons?
Aftermarket Rods?
Trick valve jobs?
Trick ring combos?
These this have all been around for well over 30 years.

It’s funny all you guys that have $5000 plus cylinder heads and $1000 plus intakes are crying because it not fair. You guys can’t win, new cars are too fast. But these are the same guys that have been flying in the past. These guys are the ones that have been cheating for the past 10 plus years(in the Cylinder head and intake department) . And now the tables have turned and you all don’t like it. That is the real problem with the new cars, the cheaters can’t cheat their way to the top anymore.

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well put charliebob!!!

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It's hard to place the blame anywhere but upper management at NHRA. They are the people who have been selling us out to the highest bidder, they are the ones who will do just about anything for a buck.

Racers are by their very nature going to look for and try to attain every possible advantage. Many of the people who race the new cars are people I consider to be good friends. I do not condone their choice to race the new cars, but I don't blame them, either.

The factories are also looking for the advantages, although I will say refusing to participate unless they are handed dominance on a silver platter, and the rules are changed to allow them free reign is just a sign of how little they care for their customers. But again, NHRA is the guilty party where the rule change is concerned.

Art, I agree completely that Stock has been changed constantly, often due to the things racers have done. But NHRA is the party that allowed it. Racers are going to push the rules, it is the sanctioning body that chooses to allow it or look the other way. And it is NHRA that completely changed the character of Stock Eliminator by rewriting the rules to allow the new cars. Sadly, Super Stock is no different, they've either looked the other way, or made previously illegal parts and labor legal, rather than police the sport.

NHRA has long since abandoned the true sport of drag racing, and has sold out to corporate America. Sadly, in order to fix the problem, NHRA would have to be torn down to the ground and rebuilt from the ground up.

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NHRA, period. The factories can't force NHRA to accept anything (right?) and the racers are playing by the rules set forth by NHRA.

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All you guys keep saying the magic word "Customer" to NHRA you are just that. Myself if I don't like the way I'm being treated as a "Customer" I find some where else to spend my money. It's as simple as that, many of you post as if your entire life has been turned upside down by this if that's the case then I feel for you, drag racing is a HOBBY not life or death. It's hard to believe that someone can be so hateful over something that's supposed to be fun.Maybe we all need to sit back for a while and ask ourselves.... just why do I race? Joe

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This has been my point. If you port a cylinder head and intake manifold, pair this with trick exhaust headers. And ultra high ramp rate cams. You increase air flow. If you put a turbo on the motor and adjust the boost higher you increase air flow. I was chastised on here for the unfairness of using more boost than the factory specs. While my heads, intake, cams, valve springs, lifters, and exhaust system was bone stock.

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BTW. I agree that these new cars would have been rated differently if Farmer, Gregg, and Marty. Were in charge

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Art, I was thinking exactly your same thoughts this morning!

The racers ruined the class by always pushing the rules....
and NHRA ruined the class by allowing the bogus bs to go on for way too long.
Now everything is acceptable.

"Its not what's correct that matters, its what's accepted that counts."

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How about I take the blame so everyone else can move on to the Christmas Holidays and enjoy themselves. Problem solved.

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And what should be done when the HP factors catch up (kind of) and the owners of these new combos start the playing thats being done already (heads, Intakes, etc.) in the older cars. Then again maybe its ALREADY being done with the new cars....LOL.

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I'll share it with ya Jeff.

Merry Christmas to you and all my Cajun buddies !

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Ok, it's Jeff's fault. :cool: No, really!

I'm pretty sure there's going to be one Drag Pak that's worth the investment.

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It's Christmas time and we all should be thankful. One thing I'm thankful for is the JOY in knowing that "Little Bubba's" family tree will stop with him, for he lacks that ability to reproduce, or make any clanging sound at all.

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I believe the proper term is "member" but we are treated as "customers".

That is one of the differences between NHRA and other sanctioning bodies.
We sure get treated different in SCCA and NASA and we have memberships
there also.

I have no dog in the class racing hunt but have helped out on plenty of
Stock and S/S cars over the years.I would hate to see the car count get
worse and not because of the economy.

I agree with buzzins post.


And it IS Teutons fault.

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X-tech man
The playing is already done, CNC ported heads, CNC ported intakes and Jesel like rocker arms. What is left? That's why when Holbrook put the SS motor in his car it only picked up .25. Making any other STK motor into a SS motor you would pick up .60 to 1.00. There is not much left for these cars to improve on.

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AA was never really a great idea. The 10.60 (10.90) index was even worse. New cars are awfully close to needing parachutes. Plus, no "old car" in AA can even qualify for Indy.

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It was a good idea from the standpoint of taking some of the weight out of the cars that never in a million years weighed 3700 lbs, really bad execution and it opened pandora's box

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Racers being racers there is always room for improvement. With all of that CNC work and Jesel parts they should already be in S/S. That stuff does not belong in a stocker ! NHRA has lost their minds on this deal. Its all NHRA's fault. You cant blame the factory.

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My question is do you really think the engines in the CJ and DP cars are the way they leave the factory?!

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the DP cars, no. The cj's for the most part, yes

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I have heard that stock racers use acid ported heads and acid ported intakes.Could a member tell me where you can have this work performed?

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Start here;
http://www.castheads.com/acid_ported.php

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Dave why would you ask that question on here?

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Thanks for the information.

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They dont acid port anymore, they cnc then cover it up with that new machine they have....Cant remember the name but will verify and repost. Its stupid what stock isnt anymore.

Herb Jr

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Don't you guy's have lawyers to blame?because NHRA does not want any legal problems is the reason they will not question any thing any more.


my 2 cents

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Well put Michael, that post should have said "PERIOD" at the end and it would have been perfect. Don't fault the racers.

David Buckner DP#98

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Very well said!!!!! To bad there arent more people on the same page as you and I. As far as the last thing I posted on here the "Whiners and Cry babys" article they took it off here after only ten hours i think,oh well,what was the famous qoute from a few good men? TRUTH! YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!

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Herb,

Is that the one called the 'cheatin' bastard' or is that something else?

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That's an ABS abrasives cabinet and tooling. They claim it duplicates any factory finish.

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Is there a reason that I should not ask this question?

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must be another snow day

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What's your point? Everything you're complaining about will eventually be done with the newer cars. So, they will just be that much faster again.

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Charlie, this is proof. If BDD agrees, you need to rethink your point.

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exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Yep!

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Ding Ding Ding we have a winner, I saw a set of CNC ported heads or a BBC before and after this process, now that is stock all day long.