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Daniel Ashlock 12-11-2010 12:04 PM

who's car is this?
 
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is it a current legal car? any details are appreciated!

BBF67 12-11-2010 12:25 PM

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Not sure of the owners name but I saw it at a race in Division 3. I inquired how it got into M/SA and was told it is a 290 engine, not the 390 engine. The hood scoop is fake and the car is just painted up to look like a Scrambler Rambler.

Mark Yacavone 12-11-2010 01:25 PM

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"Stroker Joe " Cochran, Xenia, Ohio

Alkey Alex 12-11-2010 01:50 PM

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This is Joe Cochran's M/SA 1968 Rambler. He took the car to two races last year (that I know of), the Columbus Division 3 race and the Columbus SPORTSnationals. His best pass was a 12.791 for the 290 C.I. motor that is factored 225/210. A photo I took of the car at the Division 3 race is attached. I hope this helps!

Jeff Lee 12-11-2010 03:17 PM

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Could you have Joe call me @ 602-418-9797?

bob3240 12-11-2010 03:46 PM

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Jeff, I called Joe and left your number on his machine. Bob Michael.

Daniel Ashlock 12-11-2010 04:23 PM

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thanks for the replies! how does he get away with running that hood? i knew it wasn't a real sc/rambler being a post car.. i was thinking maybe they overlooked it being a post and let him run the 390 and the hood, but you said its a 290 car.. jeff told me i should've this with my american a few years back running a 290/auto combo but haven't had the time or money to do anything much with any of my cars :(

Jason 12-11-2010 04:31 PM

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I asked them the same thing about the hood. I was told since his scoop is not functional (no hole in the hood) it was no big deal to allow him to have it on the car.

Tom keedle 12-11-2010 06:23 PM

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wgaf about the hood, how'd he get that much tire under it?

anybody have any contact info?

Ed Fernandez 12-11-2010 08:15 PM

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That's a 1 of 1 AMC SCAMbler.:>):>):>)
Seriously I just looked in a 2008 rule book.
Quote: Hood openings and/or hood scoops other than OEM prohibited.That's kind of a gray area as the scoop was only available on the SC/Rambler.I would think it would slow the car down a tad being non functional.

Jeff Lee 12-11-2010 09:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom keedle (Post 227242)
wgaf about the hood, how'd he get that much tire under it?

anybody have any contact info?

Tom,
You are allowed to trim the quarters for clearance.

Larry Fulton 12-11-2010 11:58 PM

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Not to steal the thread...

But who's car is this (I found on Kenny Keir's site) and what class does it run?

I'm suspecting SS/C....

anybody?

Larry

Jeff Lee 12-12-2010 01:56 AM

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Ken built that car and it's a real SC/Rambler. It was built for SS/H with a 390 4bbl and I believe a G-Force trans.
The car was never taken to the track from all the reports I have heard.
It was on ebay for around $50K by the owner. In the ad it said it was taken down the track and I believe it said 9.80's @ 138 or so. Frankly, it doesn't ad up.
What I heard is the owner was afraid of the car and didn't want to drive it. That makes more sense.
I also have heard from a reliable source the engine made something like 525 HP and was built by Barton Machine. That's a pretty pathetic number for a SS 390 and would not support 9.80's @ 138 MPH. So I tend to believe the guy never raced it.
Then the car was sold by a dealer. I believe it sold for $50K and that included a nice enclosed trailer. I don't know who owns it but I've hear rumor it will be raced. I certainly hope so.
Other than the engine, the car seems to be quite awesome. Ken Kier knows how to build a car and this would be one to own. The engine can be fixed and all it takes is more money!
BTW - the '69 390 is NHRA rated now at 290 HP, 25 less than my 1970 390. It should be very competitive in SS/H and has the potential to be a class winner. That is probably the best scoop out there and it has to help.
Take off the scoop and you can run it with a 343 4bbl @ 265 HP or a 290 4bbl @ 210 HP with the 290 being the favorite of the three right now; although the 390 would be the most fun.

Just found the old ad:
http://www.collectorcarads.com/Rambl...crambler/26768
Ad says 565 HP which is certainly better than 525 HP. Somebody needs to take it down the track!
More pictures:
http://www.autobarnclassiccars.com/v....aspx?Item=298

X-TECH MAN 12-12-2010 09:20 AM

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When Ken first went into business back in the mid 70's he restored a nice SC/Rambler and it looked like show room quality. I remeber drooling over it.....LOL. My SS/IA 68 Camaro was the first car Ken did before he found commercial shop space to work out of. He is one of the best and I believe he could weld tin foil together....lol.

Tom keedle 12-12-2010 11:03 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee (Post 227302)
Ken built that car and it's a real SC/Rambler. It was built for SS/H with a 390 4bbl and I believe a G-Force trans.
The car was never taken to the track from all the reports I have heard.
It was on ebay for around $50K by the owner. In the ad it said it was taken down the track and I believe it said 9.80's @ 138 or so. Frankly, it doesn't ad up.
What I heard is the owner was afraid of the car and didn't want to drive it. That makes more sense.
I also have heard from a reliable source the engine made something like 525 HP and was built by Barton Machine. That's a pretty pathetic number for a SS 390 and would not support 9.80's @ 138 MPH. So I tend to believe the guy never raced it.
Then the car was sold by a dealer. I believe it sold for $50K and that included a nice enclosed trailer. I don't know who owns it but I've hear rumor it will be raced. I certainly hope so.
Other than the engine, the car seems to be quite awesome. Ken Kier knows how to build a car and this would be one to own. The engine can be fixed and all it takes is more money!
BTW - the '69 390 is NHRA rated now at 290 HP, 25 less than my 1970 390. It should be very competitive in SS/H and has the potential to be a class winner. That is probably the best scoop out there and it has to help.
Take off the scoop and you can run it with a 343 4bbl @ 265 HP or a 290 4bbl @ 210 HP with the 290 being the favorite of the three right now; although the 390 would be the most fun.

Just found the old ad:
http://www.collectorcarads.com/Rambl...crambler/26768
Ad says 565 HP which is certainly better than 525 HP. Somebody needs to take it down the track!
More pictures:
http://www.autobarnclassiccars.com/v....aspx?Item=298

i'd be GLAD too...
and i promise to hammer the hell out of it;)

bigshow2966 12-12-2010 11:32 AM

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That is one slick little Rambler.

Rory McNeil 12-12-2010 04:41 PM

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I am no AMC expert, but I believe the 69 SC/Rambler that were equipped with that scoop were functional, using a vacuum operated flapper door similar to the 1969 Torino/Cyclone and 69/70 Cougars. Is that correct? Also, I believe that the 390 SC/Ramblers were also all 4 speeds, is that also correct? Since this Rambler American 2 door sedan is shown at a NHRA santioned track, in M/SA, how is he allowed to run that scoop, functional or not? Wouldn`t that be like a 68-69 Barracuda with a 340, 383, or 440 Stocker using a SS/AH Hemi hood scoop? Or a cowl induction hood on a 67-68 Z/28, or Boss 429 scoop on a 428 CJ Mustang? Just curious.

jmcarter 12-12-2010 05:13 PM

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Jeff Lee will address I'm sure but think your correct on the SC. Think the non-functional scoop is a discretionary thing on the part of NHRA tech since it clearly offers no performance advantage. Is it technically incorrect, sure; but it would be chicken-***** to bust him on it just like it was to bust Art for his non-functional louver fenders on his Neon.

Ed Fernandez 12-12-2010 06:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rory McNeil (Post 227434)
I am no AMC expert, but I believe the 69 SC/Rambler that were equipped with that scoop were functional, using a vacuum operated flapper door similar to the 1969 Torino/Cyclone and 69/70 Cougars. Is that correct? Also, I believe that the 390 SC/Ramblers were also all 4 speeds, is that also correct? Since this Rambler American 2 door sedan is shown at a NHRA santioned track, in M/SA, how is he allowed to run that scoop, functional or not? Wouldn`t that be like a 68-69 Barracuda with a 340, 383, or 440 Stocker using a SS/AH Hemi hood scoop? Or a cowl induction hood on a 67-68 Z/28, or Boss 429 scoop on a 428 CJ Mustang? Just curious.

Refer back to my post on page 1.It came from the NHRA rulebook.I don't know which one though,the East coast or West coast version.
The SC/Ramblers were all 2 dr non post cars,390,4speed in A and B paint schemes.All had functional ram air setups.They built 1512 of them.They cost $2,995.Road test times were 14.30 with grandma driving.They really would go 13.90s.

Larry Fulton 12-12-2010 06:35 PM

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Thanks Jeff for the info & link

It's Very Nice... and worth your time to check it out here...

http://www.autobarnclassiccars.com/v....aspx?Item=298

Jeff Lee 12-12-2010 07:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rory McNeil (Post 227434)
I am no AMC expert, but I believe the 69 SC/Rambler that were equipped with that scoop were functional, using a vacuum operated flapper door similar to the 1969 Torino/Cyclone and 69/70 Cougars. Is that correct? Also, I believe that the 390 SC/Ramblers were also all 4 speeds, is that also correct? Since this Rambler American 2 door sedan is shown at a NHRA santioned track, in M/SA, how is he allowed to run that scoop, functional or not? Wouldn`t that be like a 68-69 Barracuda with a 340, 383, or 440 Stocker using a SS/AH Hemi hood scoop? Or a cowl induction hood on a 67-68 Z/28, or Boss 429 scoop on a 428 CJ Mustang? Just curious.

Yes to all the AMC questions, just as Ed presented. Furthermore, you are correct, the flapper is a Ford interchange item.
The issue of this M/SA Rambler scoop was brought up before on this forum. My comment was something like "if legal for show only, I'd make sure I had the rust spots under the scoop!"
Apparently NHRA doesn't care. At one time the rulebook said "mild customizing allowable". I guess this factory scoop could fall under that.

And technically speaking, and an easy fix, the air pan under the SS/H SC/Rambler is a no-no also. But lets just get the car on the track!
If the owner needs to see an application I'm @ 602-418-9797 ! :)

gmonde 12-12-2010 07:25 PM

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And technically speaking, and an easy fix, the air pan under the SS/H SC/Rambler is a no-no also. But lets just get the car on the track!
If the owner needs to see an application I'm @ 602-418-9797 !

jeff i dont know about the no-no ,,,check out some of the super stock 440 6 pack cars that have sheet metal intakes with an aluminum pan's that are not factory pieces but like jeff says get it on the track cool piece non the less gmonde

Jeff Lee 12-12-2010 08:43 PM

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Supposed to have stock OEM air filter canister or tub if using a factory ram air system, even in superstock.

bigshow2966 12-13-2010 07:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 227462)
They really would go 13.90s.

I saw a box stock one go 13:73 with Terry Richards driving it. To say I was really impressed would be an understatement. (Terry was the local AMC God-Best the cars owner ever ran was 15:30)

Ed Fernandez 12-13-2010 09:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bigshow2966 (Post 227739)
I saw a box stock one go 13:73 with Terry Richards driving it. To say I was really impressed would be an understatement. (Terry was the local AMC God-Best the cars owner ever ran was 15:30)

It didn't hurt the fact that the car weighed less than 3000#.Still impressive.You can't touch a nice one (not a clone) for less than $40K.


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