A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

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A gift?
It's 281 ci dude
What are 305,283 and olds 307 rated at?

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235HP............well that seems FAIR, now all of you mid class 'Stockers' get a taste

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how about the 95 taxi motor 265 ci

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Ooohhhhhh, Goody, Goody, Goody!


Wade

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yes because comparing a 40 yr old carbureted pushrod motor to a 3 vavle, OHC, EFI motor based on cubic inches alone is apples to apples, are you f'in retarded?

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Don't bother me none ,cause if they run IHRA they will be in fuel injection class ,where they belong . Welcome ,welcome , and welcome. Wade you take care of them over there !....

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Yes Danny race IHRA where everyone gets there own class and heads ups are a thing of the past.

Chad you can't tell me that the mustang 281ci combo is any better then Wade Owens 283ci combo. Hell wade is going 11.50s in K/SA. do you really think a 281ci ford is going to out run Wade's 283. Which is 15hp less then the new 281ci ford
Are you a f'in retarded?

Hats off to Wade that 283 just flat runs.

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To each his own...... We have plenty of heads - up racing in IHRA..... Even in the F I classes. Did not know everybody had their own class in IHRA....???????? "Somebody is allways going to be faster"

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As much as I love the IHRA I have to agree that the fuel injected classes are bad for Stock Eliminator.


I think that you will be surprised at what the Modular will put out.

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You better hope Vinny Barone doesn't hear of you using the word retarted! I think you meant to say, are you f'in stupid?

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As long as NHRA and IHRA dont do SOMETHING about the bogus HP ratings then keeping them seperate from the old cars is a good thing. When the racing ASSociations get their act together on this joke THEN drop the FI classes and run them together. All you guys with the new cars want is more heads up runs against the older combos so you can have a free ride into the next round or a class (?) win.

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Charlie.
The 140hp 307 Olds is rated 240 hp. The 85 flat top 305 in a Camaro is rated 262, an 82 dish piston Camaro is 244 and the Malibu 230. Wades 283 is rated 217hp and the 138hp roller Olds is 213hp.
Both of the engines rated less then the 281 have far less compression and the 283 has a .399 lift cam. The roller 307 has a horrible intake and head design.
So @ 235 it may not be greatly underfactored but it should be a lot better then the dished piston 305 or 140hp Olds for certain.

Rick Ryan

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The 240hp olds 307 is a very bad combo. I was looking more at the 213hp olds 307 with a 400 plus lift cam and a 800 carb.

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What are all you cry babies going to do when guys like Wade and I don't complain about them?
I'm with Wade bring em on!

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You're right big carb, good cam. But again an absolute horrible intake and bad heads in stock form. Actually the heads aren't even that good in super stock form. They're hardly good enough to make up the hp difference in super stock. Some have been run with some success.
We built one for a good friend of ours. It's far from trick and it will run the index and a touch better. However with all the good stuff it will still never set the world on fire. It's probably capable of .70 under around here in our great air we have. I personally still wouldn't say it's any better of a combo then the 140hp though.
I would love too build one of these new Mustangs however. I think it'll make a good car.

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I'm not crying...We need new cars as well ,but we don't need to run the old cars away. Both sanctions have tried to help by letting you move up or down a class if you want to hide .You know as well as i do there is a lot of last minute tech because of the waiting to see who is running what class .Most of the time most of the racers have it figured out between themselves. I paid the same entry fee as the next guy ,but i came to try to win,and if i can avoid a heads up with my ole slow poke then i will .If the TRUTH be known the majority of the racers will do the same thing unless they have a rivalry going on or a pi$$ing match going on. Oh and along with playing the ladder for a heads up run , or avoiding a heads up ,not just for by runs.I will race and hope i make rounds . If i get beat it's my fault not yours. If it's a heads up and i lose ,i just lose and when money lets me i will try to get my car faster with old technology and not out of the" factory box". Not bashing the new cars , i love them and wish i could afford one, but that is just another dream.It was hard enough to make my 1st dream come true and that was to be able to even have a stocker. Sorry for the long letter. Happy Racing to all !!!!

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I mentioned this article on facebook the other day...


Sure its under factored... But things that really bother me is the line:

"Modifications to the engine included their high flow CNC 3-valve cylinder heads, high performance intake"

First of all modifications kinda sounds a little "off" for stock eliminator. And most of all. "CNC Heads" and "high performance intake" really doesnt sound Stock Eliminator to me.

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Everybody knows that when take a 300hp factory rated 4.6 and you put better designed heads with more cc's, a better intake, bigger cam and bigger throttle body, you naturaly are going to lose some HP. So we get 235hp. Give me a break. "Retarded" might have been a improper way of expressing it, but you would have to be mentaly challenged to belive this horse sh!%!

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LOL.....Great description of what is going on at NHRA!

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My 150/238 305 is tired, and if I see one of those beside me, well, we will race.

It's time to freshen mine anyway. Anyone have any extra garage space between Richmond and Fredricksburg VA, they want to work something out on ?
I will be up here until April/May of next yr.

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It has a 65 mm throttle body!CNC'd 3 valve head! That thing should start at 260!
I don't care let those thing run with us.. I grew up watching Dale Sr. race and learned how to put someone into the wall.

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you're right. My apologies for insulting mentally challenged individuals, that would be a step up for whoever accepts these HP ratings. I'm pretty sure that a brain scan on that individual would come back negative

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i am with wade and bill on this one as a matter of fact i have not had a good *** kicking in a couple years lol gene monahan 1021

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Well it looks as though you will get one next year unless something changes.

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Hey Gene - As fast as you run, I don't think you have much to worry about!

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well said x tech man remarks like that is why i do not post on these forums because i rather be working on my race car signing off thanks gene monahan 1021

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If the IHRA would stick to the NHRA factors they wouldn't need the fuel injected classes. That is of course, except for the 2008+ factory cars.


That is a dumb thing to say.

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Its a matter of opinion.....why else would people spend truck loads of money to build a new DP or Mustang if they were not looking to have a major advantage over the other cars in their class of choice for heads up runs and class wins? Just to hold a record or have bragging rights to say Im the baddest? Pretty expensive way to say Im faster than you are if you ask me. Some must have money to just throw away in todays economy or its the advantage they are looking for and want over their competition and are willing to spend anything for it.

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i'm with bill and wade. hell i can't even run with those damn chevies yet and forget about those pontiacs!!!! aren't you due for a little more weight bill? :)

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Come on Terry......that's not always true.....we were building a mustang SS car regardless if it was fast....it's a good looking car....and we wanted to try super stock....it took 3 of us to afford it....not to mention an incredible amount of effort...remember we don't care about records....we want race wins.....we've had 1 heads up in 2 years....of course if I could win a few rounds maybe I would have had more...lol
I'm loving it......I just have to get better at it.....


Rock Haas

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Gene-o, maybe you, me and Bill could form a circle of trust, lol. You know, dyno, test and swap lies(ie speed secrets) to try and stay ahead of the storm that's coming. I've never been much of a complainer. I set personal goals for my combo and myself. Some of them are harder to reach than others, we'll see. But, whatever Ford throws at us, I'll be as prepared as possible....

Enough said...

Wade O

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I run one of those worthless 140hp 307 Olds. When I first stared building the car I was hung up on making it a one second under car. Then they changed the index's, so I decided I would just go race and have fun. I work on my car and try to make it faster each race. But I do realize my combo has it's limits. I know my car will not run with the new Hi Tech cars, but that's life. I will line up against them hold my head up hi and do the best I can and still have FUN.

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There ya go guys see how a guy with a real fast car approaches the situation. His car is fast because his number one concern is the performance of his car. Wade is on here generally giving advice not griping.
If a new Mustang tries to outrun Wade it will get itself Horsepower in the process.

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Bob, wouldn’t a more constructive approach than complaining about my car be to get rid of your 302 Mustang and get a mod motor one?

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Alan why on earth would you run a 140/240hp combo when you can run the 138/213hp combo? I also run a 1988 olds 307 138/213 and it's a good combo(-.95 the new index at the U.S. National this past year). The 140hp motor would haft to be around 225hp for me to even think of running it.

Now back to the main point. This 281ci combo is a rated fair when you compare it with other combos in the same class.
John fisher, Wade owens, Mean Gene, All 74-78 400ci, Doug patrick. Please tell me who would win class if all these cars ran heads up?
You can't tell me a little 281ci mustang is going to out run all these cars by .25.

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Looks like Modified production meets Stock eliminator......just say'in. ;)

Question ?
How will tech verify those CNC heads haven't been CNC'd twice ??

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The "beauty" of a CNC head is the part can be easily verified once it's in the field. The rest of the package is obviously open for debate.

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Do you think FORD's would do a haft ***** job CNC it to start?

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Jeff, that's true but Ford would need to supply their CNC data so that the $500K checking equipment that NHRA would have to own could check them properly. The guys that really want to go fast would weld up a set of scap heads, hand port them any shape they want to get them flowing nice on the bench, read the port data into one of those 500K machines, and then CNC port a new set. The correct CC would be easy too. This engine should be SS only with ported heads.