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Now that should be worth the price of admission

Peace

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Is that the lonely heads up run in round 1 of Norton and Kour? I first saw Les's car last December at MR2 when I went to visit mine as delivered directly from roush sexy trailer tires and all.

Drag pak versus CJ has it happened yet at all? I mean in elims....of course it happened at Indy in class...

Eric

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When are they running the first round of class?

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Later today.... subject to whatever else may or may not happen.

Norton vs Cour is the only heads up run in first round of eliminations. It certainly should be interesting......

Just another quick note for those interested in Drag paks, Tom Gaynor's hood is back together and hardly looks any worse for the wear and tear from the scoop making a separation exit at the finish line...

David
The New Hemi Guy

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I missed that. What happened to Gaynor's hood?

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It will be interesting to see what takes place at the 1000 foot cone. I'm betting that the Cour's have plenty of throttle left to make short work of the DP but I'll also bet we dont see any more than it takes; pretty smart racers in both lanes. Should be fun to watch, wish I was there. TT

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i hope they both get HP on tuesday

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Do you race anything FAST besides your mouth, Rhodes?

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gee, how did I know you'd mouth off. why do you worry about your race tomorrow, and go out there and run all 1320' maybe even at 100% throttle. AS for ME, I'll be working and testing. My stuff might not be as fast as yours, never claimed that it was, but at least I don't need an underfactored bogus *** car with a blower to feel good about myself.

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Whatcha gonna go test...your words per minute? As for me, I'll be actually racing a car down a track....and going fast, a concept you have a hard time comprehending.

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Why can't we all get along. Life is too short.

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amen to that ! Cant wait to see what NHRA has planed for you new underrated car owners. Some stuff coming for the older combos to. Some good...some not so good so I hear. 2011 after Pomona will be different for sure.

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Why do you an x-tech man argue with people who bought these cars (CJ/Dragpak)? The people that own these cars didn't set the HP ratings. Should the people that own these cars tell NHRA..instead of using your HP rating, I'm going to set my own HP rating at 450 or whatever???

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Glad you got everything fixed, Sean. I'll be there for 1st rd.
McClanahans #1 fan wouldn't miss it.

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Because of some their attitud's of being better than most and everyone knows its a "Screw" job by the factories and NHRA to all of the hard working stock and S/S racers who tested, spent $$$ and have beat their combos to death over several years just to have these bogus HP combos show up and obsolete the older muscle car combos just because of a fat check book and connections to obtain them. Is that plain enough for you !

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You guys may as well run it all the way to the finish line this time when it only will cost you 3.25% in horsepower. Word is that next year it will cost you A LOT MORE percentage everytime you do it and you won't even have to go as fast to get hit. Everyone should be looking forward to next year, I know I am.

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Hey Chad, not that Sean needs any help fighting with you, but has the Cours ever have any race car that wasnt fast?? If it is a soft combo or not, that family has always had their cars at the top of the pack. # 4 qualifyer in Super Stock.

6396 GT/BA Sean Cour, Brush Prairie WA, '09 Cobalt 9.265 10.25 -0.985
Is this a soft combination too??

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Not that its any of you business Sean, but I'm going to test the I/SA 92 camaro we just got. Would have gone last night but I worked too late. As for going fast, I'd say building a low 8 second Outlaw Drag Radial that I know a little about that ;)

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Tech man, you are a good guy, but you are way off base on this deal. I'm the same guy who slept in the back of pickup trucks in the 50's to race and the same guy who has run enough combos over the years to know the difference. I'm the same guy who couldn't run with the 428's and 396's with my 6 pak, (ran 1 under, but they ran 1.3 under) because the rules were in their favor. I changed sides. We don't need all that tripe you are throwing out there. As far as the new program proposed by NHRA would be offensive to more old cars than new, by about 6 to 1. Facts from figures which were provided to me. That would go over real well with the children. Sorta like hunting Elk with a blunderbuss @ 200 yards. Any I was only looking for results from Stock @ Pomona and I wound up here.

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Whether the CJ’s and DP’s are soft or not (and I will throw my combo into that comment also for you whiners) it’s a shame that a PERFORMANCE BASED class could be destroyed by a bunch of whining crybabies who figure the way to move up the qualifying sheet is to complain about the guys at the top rather than working on their stuff or picking a better combo.
Flame away….. Seems to be the only thing some of you are really capable of. Maybe try spending some time on a dyno instead of a keyboard you may be surprised with the results.

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Best post on this thread yet.......

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Bill your wrong, there are a half a dozen cars in Div. 1 alone that are tops in their class, they have spent much money and dyno time and will still not ever catch the new cars, You are not going to get that much hp out of carb car that has been flogged for the last 5 years under the current rules period.....

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Just wait 'til these guys take the beehive springs out and really turn some Super Stock rpm.

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I'm with Teuton. I checked into this thread to see the result of this race. And imagine that, another whine thread about CJ and DP cars. :rolleyes:

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As someone who is DIRECTLY affected by the underfactored built on paper ringers they call cars .I am appalled that a roller cam aluminum intake injected roller rocker high compression purpose built race piece is the EXACT same 284 hp factor as my all iron hydraulic flat tappet emmisions low lift iron intake plastic carb low copression engine with 70's castings and that was actually produced for use by the masses. These cars were built on the same premis that the hemi darts & cudas were built on. PUT THEM IN SUPER STOCK WHERE THEY BELONG. This has caused me to park my currently worthless ride until they factor out or I find something else to build that I can afford!HA HA
Kenny Newsome 7709 H/SA on hiatus til further notice.

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I'm surprised that the new valve spring rule (anything that fits the OE pocket)hasn't got more attention?

This can help any combo get more aggressive with rpm and cam profiles, IF you can find a rocker that will take it.

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What a ****storm over one comment. I said I hope they both get hp, an if they both run all the way to the stripe that's what would happen. You know a good old fashioned drag race.

As for Sean, I've never had anything at all against him, he's a hell of a racer, and I have said as much. He apparently has something against me, although ive neve met him. Hopefully one day i have that opportunity. I will not, however let someone make smartass, douchebag comments and not respond to them My opinion of the cj/dp cars is not to be confused with any personal feelings involved toward anyone racing one of these cars. I consider Jeff Teuton a friend, and think his car is pretty cool. I also understand the struggles he had with his older car. I still think the factor is soft.

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I have to comment on this. I read this forum almost every day and while I may not be a class racer, well not yet anyways. I have been around racing for over 30 years. My dad ran Super Stock in the 80's and the thing that a lot of the guys on the site don't get is, all the horsepower or soft classes or whatever is only effective in a heads up affair. The other 99.9 % of the time it is a good ole bracket race. Let me see if this makes any sense at all, a guy by the name of Dan Fletcher has won a ton races and he by no means has anywhere near the fastest car in his class.

The sport as it stands is hanging on by a thread as it is. The NHRA and a lot of local tracks are treating racers like crap, the payouts are a joke and as the people that get treated like crap why would anyone spend all this effort into ripping someone for what car they have or how they run it. I would say there are definitely bigger fish to fry then tearing a fellow racer a new one for owning a new car.

If Ford, Dodge, or GM told NHRA to make the horsepower rating 200 they would. Racing has gone back to big corporate payoffs so that there is once again race on Sunday and sell on Monday. I can sure tell you that its a lot easier for someone to leave the track and go buy a new Mustang than it is to find a 68 Camaro or 64 Savoy.

If I am way off base then I do apologize. But when I see racers ripping into other racers it is just not a good thing. Let's not make more problems. All racers and race fans should be working towards a solution so that racing is a lot more fun once again.

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Could be wrong but I don't think the valve spring rule will help the DP hemis. The beehive spring is needed on these engines to clear the underside of the rockers. A regular spring won't fit under them.

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Apparently Cour turned up the wick on the supercharged car, 9.84/124 beat Norton's 9.86/133. He trailed at 60 foot but was considerably faster at the 660

Sorry to interrupt the moaning...

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124? Hahahahaha.

Btw Sean, congrats on your heads up win, and good luck!

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Well here we go again, the CJ go's 111mph at eighth and 124mph at the finish, that speed would have gone deep into the 9.6 area or quicker, and as for Mr. Kour it's real EZ for him because it's not that hard to wright a check.

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http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/t...alvetrain.html

Solution has already been devised.

Personally, I would love to have a new 428 Mustang one day if the prices ever come down because I think the new Challengers are just fugly. But like someone pointed out, no one watching these cars run the big numbers is standing on the starting line saying "wow, thats awesome, those guys did a great job". Once the factors come around I think it's going to be pretty cool to see '68 and '10 Cobra Jets racing each other. I just don't see the fun in beating someone by a half of a second because of a horsepower factor issue. Granted there are some combinations other than these cars that are off by ten, maybe fifteen horsepower but that's been the case for a long time now and being down a tenth in a heads-up run is not insurmountable in a lot of cases.

Class at the Dutch in C/SA was going to be awesome (if it ever got done); old camaro, corvette, 440 6-pack, lt1 cars. Class in A/SA was going to be a joke but had the potential to be a great show with a huge mix of american muscle both new and old if things were somewhere near correct.

Oh well, I guess time will tell if NHRA has any answer to this. Stinks to see the trend of guys going to Super Stock, running lower classes, and going to less races because of this.

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Very well said, Mike.

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Well said Mike

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Here is a quote from Toby Lang at the race.....
"The CJ/DP heads-up race looked like it was pretty anticlimactic. Alan Reinhart sounded pretty surprised about how early the CJ lifted."

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Alan is first rate but he also frequently states the top 2 rules of announcing (for those who don't know them # 1 is don't let the facts interfere with good announcing). He knows what's going on...they aren't going to tiptoe into that minefield.

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I wish there were more racers on here who paid attention to information available. How fast was Keith at the 8th and 1000ft on his 10 flat run. He would be a better match for the CJ. I can't wait until the V10 is ready. Whine to NHRA. DO NOT. beat up your fellow racers here. Pay back's a b.itch. LOL :-)

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Would "picking a better combo" mean picking a better underfactored combo? Seems like that is what is at the top of the qualifying sheets these days. Penciled in hp factor seems to be what it takes to be on top and to hell with the years of hard work,testing,dynoing, etc. In this era the pen is more effective than the dyno.

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Don't forget that check book to go with that pen, A winning combo for sure!!!!!!!!! It's the American way these days.