A couple of thought about the new cars.
 

They should throw out all the cars that you couldn't get on the showroom. So 90% of the SS/AH cars-gone! Most of the 64-65 Hemi SS cars-gone. The RO23 67 Hemi Cars-gone. I am not versed that well on other brands, but I'm sure there are some Chevys and Fords that will be gone. Sorta like Barret Jackson selling more big block Corvettes than were made, like anybody knows. Now the Challenger Drag Pak on the other hand, ask Doug Duell for the title on his and where he got the car.
I bought back my 69 Super Bee Six Pack, so I have petitioned NHRA to hit the following cars 30 hp, all 396's that fit in C/SA, all 427, 428 or whatever Fords that fit in C/SA, All LT1's and LS1's (?) and any other car that fits in C/SA and can run over .7 under.
Since I put the flat hood and 4 bbl in the car on occasion, I have also petitioned them to hit the multitude of cars that fit in D, E, and F Stock (I think that comes to 132.6 cars) that run the same .7 under.
The model for this is the same as Education In American which is to dumb down the smart guys. I will have more as the day goes on for thought while I change a ball joint. Stay tuned.

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You are a funny guy at times - but your comments seem to always make sense

I hope they don't change the rules just to legislate against the Drag Paks

Sorry but the blown cars - I am still thinking they need their own class

Peace

:-)

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Sure seems to be alot of Mopars on that list. Dougs car was a real off the show room car. But it is not running the engine configuration that came with the car. Or one that is available on the show room.

There would be alot less bitching if the actuall dealer availible cars where in the guide and people where building those for stock. But the real cars are not leagal.

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As soon as I read Jeff's post this comment came to mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XypVcv77WBU

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I hate to bring it to your attention but the cars listed in your first paragraph are Super Stock only.
There has always been a place in NHRA racing for factory built race cars "not intended for highway use" vehicles. That is Super Stock. \

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Jeff. Finally someone who agrees with me about the insanity of the new car bashing that has been going on.

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Oh, the humanity.................................

:rolleyes:

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Fact is I could have bought a 1968 Hemi Dart off the showroom floor. Black primer paint and everything. It was a 4 speed car if I remember correctly. There maybe a lot more CJ's and 440-6 packs and 427 Camaros than were produced.....BUT at least these guys "cloned" a production vehicle that was available in the showroom. Any car that is NOT available in the showroom should not be called a stocker........period!!!!!!!
This bastardizing of the rules is exactly how we got to were we are today.
The factorys should have a place to race their super special, one off creations. Factory involvement is critical to the on going health of stock eliminator, but to call these DP/CJ's stockers is insane! It seems to me that the term Factory Experimental hits the nail on the head! (or close enough for our purposes). Why does NHRA seem to hate the idea of F/X? The factories rallyed around F/X back in the '60's, why not now?

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Dear NHRA,

I would like to petiton for 75 horsepower off the SS/AH Hemi. No, not all Hemi's. Just the "King Cuda". I know it was going 8.50s when we bought it but we managed to work out all the kinks and now it goes 9.60s. It is the combination that is the problem...obviously.

Thank you,
Guys with a lot of money

P.S. I can not figure out how to tune three carbs on a stocker. Steve Wann and Chad Loge ran circles around me which means they must be cheating. Look into it.

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Hey Jeff,

When you petition NHRA, make sure to remind them that the first year they made the High Performance 396 it was rated @425, and that motor had a hydraulic cam, so the stuff out there now should be even higher, hey, whats fair is fair huh?

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if these cars are factory experimental i think the factory failed the experiment.i payed 25k for a body in white and a engine that kicks rods above 6 grand and 20k for a tag on the strut tower.
i bet if you got a 68 hemi cuda from the dealer you could race it that night.

this is my thought on these cars.....a joke

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You could try if it didn't blow up in your garage. Everybody learned very quickly to take it home ,tear it down and check everything. Everybody can tell you---No 68 cuda or dart were race ready when you picked it up. The motors were thrown together , thrown in the car and pushed into the lot to be picked up at the factory.

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A little early for the Martini with "special" water isn't it?
If you get a minute between posts can you have someone check $$$ on P5155184 and 4510363. PM or email me the info if you can.
Thanks
P.S. Congrats on RU. We should have stuck around.

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Jake Lamata your a crook.

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Could somebody answer the question on why a Dodge Challenger ( showroom stock , streetable, complete, driveable as delivered with a VIN number) was never submitted to the NHRA by Chrysler . Why would you submit half a car that has nothing to do with what they are selling in the showroom and submit a HP rating so low that nobody believed it but NHRA. And NHRA puts it in STOCK !!!!!!! WHO IS REALLY RESPONSIBLE ?:eek:

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Dan Dvorak must be finding this whole season very amusing.:rolleyes:

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Well, for one, the factory advertises the SRT8 at 425 hp. With that rating, it would never be competitive in Stock. Why you ask? Simple. No compression, no 1000 cfm throttle body, no .560" lift camshaft, or SS-style intake manifold. Not to mention all the other components that wouldn't exactly survive in a Stocker (IRS, rear differential, trans, etc...).

Even if it were de-factored, what good does that do Mopar? That car wouldn't look nearly as impressive ET-wise as a DP car does and, let's face it, the average guy in the stands doesn't know the difference between a 6.1 DP and a 6.1 SRT8 engine. To them it's just a "Hemi Challenger."

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Allow me to paraphrase. "without a distinct advantage, the factory doesn't want to play"

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Since I'm back with the old car, would yall just throw it in the toilet? Any car that is faster than any other car should be factored. Simple. Refer to my earlier post.

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Stewart, I'm down for a while. Please call John Morris (my crew chief) or Kevin and he and John can get you what you want. The 'special ice' really improved the Absolute Red Apple with Ginger. Especially after Sunday afternoon. I appreciate the help.

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Only thing I see wrong with any of them are the stupid soft hp ratings. I can't see how any of the rest of the complaints really make a damn.

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Jeff How much Coor Lite or wine have you had????????????????????????

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Jeff
Thats right, I forgot. Behave and do as you are told.
later.

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Jeff you must love standing in your own poop!!! maybe you need a new engine builder?? or there could be other things to try with that 440/6 or 440/4bbl. there are quite a few with these combo's that run near the top of the class there in (unless a new car is in it). if you were the one and only with this combo and couldn't make it work then i guess you could jump up and down, but there are plenty of 440/6bbl and 440/4bbl combo's doing quite well at this time. check the stats!!!! they may not be the fastest but there a long way from the slowest.

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Jeff,

I don't know about '68 Hemi cars being sold through dealers but Holiday Chrysler/Plymouth in NJ sold a '64 Aluminum Hemi car off the show room floor and the next year sold a '65 A990 of the floor. Both of those cars were street raced for awhile then went to Atco regularly and both had full street equipment.

BUT, all three verisions of the race Hemi went directly into SS or FX....none went to Stock and they certainly did not belong in Stock.

JimR

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I agree with Jeff, those cars were Super Stock only. Rules for Stock are show room available. But to be honest with you all Hemi Darts and Barracuda's did have Vin numbers.