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Round two of stock, Kevin Cradduck vs Jeff Tueton. Just heard they're racing for titles. This ought to be interesting.

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Chad, unfortunately, only one of those cars has a legitimate title!

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We Know that Kevin is from Tennessee and Jeff is from Louisiana and both states have some outstanding politics.
Humm, between a Tennessee title and a Louisiana title which one would you pick as Legit?

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I'd pick the one that came on a car that was showroom available

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Showroom new around 40 years ago.LOL

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I think NHRA should take a look at the vin numbers of all cars to make sure thats the way they came from the factory.
A hemi car with a 4 speed should have a hemi and 4 speed in it, a 427 camaro should have a vin to match. Clones were never showroom available.
And any non matching cars should have to run FX.

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Art, with all due respect, I agree with a lot of what you say or post, but that has got to be about the stupidest idea I've ever heard. It's not even good sarcasm.

After all, I'm sure everyone is going to go buy numbers matching original muscle cars for $50K to $1M to race Stock Eliminator.

And no, in no way do "clones" compare to the new "factory cars", they're not even remotely similar. You're attempting to compare apples to horse turds.

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apples to horse turds, that's a new one on me Alan

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I'm just saying that factory avalible is a very very long stretch.
Comparing most of today's stock eliminator cars to assembly line cars. Is attempting to compare apples to horse turds. My last car was a real stocker I could go to a junkyard or dealer and buy everypart on it. Except for the slicks.
I agree thew HP factors of the new cars is off quite a bit. But it isn't the first time, I remember the 455 Superduty Pontiac That I think was just over 300 horsepower, And that was when there was go fast racing.

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Rednecks call horse turds road apples when in polite company. :cool:

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Art, just as an example, we have an engine with two "replacement" items, which, it turns out, are not a huge advantage on a 427/425 car. The 401 heads, that we take a 10HP hit on, and the 359 intake, many of which don't show a real improvement over the old GM 163 intake, probably because the 359 intake is an almost direct copy of the 163. We may even run an iron head 427 next year, with the 163 intake.

The factory cars are a lot more "enhanced", and have a way soft factor.

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By the way, congratulations to Jeff Teuton, he won the race, with a killer 0.003 light. We blew the tires right off the car at the hit. Track prep yesterday was, sadly, very inconsistent, many races were decided by a very poor starting line. When M/SA wagons are blowing the tires off at the hit, there's a problem. Considering we had Jay Hullinger down to run the race, I was both surprised and disappointed. I sure wish he'd brought Redman with him.

Our new director was very conspicuous in his absence. Word is he was seen up near the tower, and around "high dollar" pits, Alcohol, Comp, and Top Sportsman. Given he had Bret Kepner's hearty endorsement, I expected him to at least make an appearance or two in the staging lanes to meet people and shake hands. I was very disappointed. Hey, I'm nobody, but I didn't hear of him greeting any class racers in the lanes.

We had a great time with Jeff, before and after the race. We tried to put that orange Camaro in his trailer, but the ramp kept closing before we could get the car on it. Must be a Mopar thing. We were going to put it in Kevin Helms' trailer, but for some reason, you can't get a 69 Camaro in Kevin's trailer if it doesn't have a clutch pedal. Go figure. So we shook hands and took our junk back to Tennessee.

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Alan,

We are thinking alike on the new division director. I would have thought his first order of buisness would be to meet some of the racers. The race did run smooth but the starting line was lousy for me on saturday. My transmission broke first round on the starting line. I was first out right after the top sportsman cars. I saw the tire marks from the car in front of me and I thought to myself I am in trouble.

On a positive note. The track was open for parking all night long. The Silver Dollar crew is some of the most racer friendly of any track that we run. I enjoy going there just for that reason.

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I thought all 427 Camaros came with iron heads? I thought the aluminum head was only available on the 396?

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Art, like I said, it's a "replacement" part. That's why it carries a 10HP penalty.

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Well all sarcasm aside. I don't see any problem with the new cars running (I do think they deserve a bit of horsepower, how much I'm not sure).
Back in the sixties and seventies, when most of the fast stockers were made there was little government intrusion (just a little smog stuff).
Now, it is a whole different story. The C.A.F.E standards would make it all but impossible to allow any of the Drag Pack cars on the street. Do you realize how many Caliber's they have to sell so they can sell one SRT8 Challenger?
The forced air Mustangs might be a different story. I think you can get pretty good mileage as long as you aren't on the throttle
Back in the early years you had to know somebody to get a real high performance car (I'm talking Mopar here). Now all you have to do is pay for them. They will sell one to anybody that wants one.

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Alan, that was a question i was going to ask, but looks like you answered it before i ask,,,Did any sportsman racers meet the new Director and i am not talking about Alky guys, i am sure they did?:confused:

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Art, all they have to do, and it has been proposed, is have NHRA create an "allowance" in the shipping weight for all of the safety and emissions equipment for the newer performance cars. There are a ton of performance engines in regular production cars sold to the general public for street use. They don't have to create bogus combinations with BS HP factors. Simply take around 15% or so off the shipping weight of the new cars. Maybe 20%, that would get a 3800 pound Challenger or Camaro or Mustang down to 3040 pounds for crying out loud. Add a factory rated real production 400 plus HP engine and you have an upper class stocker that has plenty of potential and is in keeping with the original intent and spirit of Stock Eliminator. That's a 400 plus HP engine and a shipping weight of 3210 pounds including driver, sounds like a competitive A/S or A/SA car to me.

The idea that the OEM's cannot produce a normally aspirated performance engine that meets emissions and fuel consumptions standards is completely false. GM has been producing 400HP plus rated 346 cubic inch production street engines for around a decade. Those are engines that meet emissions and fuel consumption standards and make over 1HP per cubic inch doing it.

And it isn't the fault of anyone but the OEM's that they're too stupid to build performance cars that don't weigh 4000 pounds and don't have at least 1000 pounds of over priced unnecessary options they force on buyers. If you can build a $12K Cobalt with nothing but an AM/FM CD player and AC, they can build a $20K 3200 pound Camaro with the same damned equipment. All any of the OEM's have to do is want to.

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Woodro, Kevin was in a friend's pit up near the tower. Kevin introduced himself to the new guy, and the guy never even asked him what he raced. :rolleyes:

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Well, thats not a very good sign but it's sorta what i expected!:rolleyes:

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Woody, I thought I told you I talked with Rich for a couple hours this weekend? I saw him standing by the tech trailer and introduced myself to him. He seems like a real nice guy who is very business smart. He admits he has a lot to learn about class racing, he is a promoter. He was very interested in the SSSSA and he asked me as many questions as I asked him. He said he is learning and has an excellent staff who must be allowed to do their jobs. He stated they have been micro managed too long. Jim Collins is as good and fair a tech man as any you will find. Harry, J. T., and all the rest of the Div.2 staff have now been given the green light to do their jobs without fear of reprisal. Everyone of them I talked to seemed much happier now that they have a new boss! After speaking with Rich, I really believe he plans on correcting and changing the things that we have been complaining about for years. He stated he is an email junkie! So write him! He promises he will answer you! He wants input and suggestions. Nothing will happen overnight. You all know how critical I can be sometimes, but I ask that you give this new guy a chance. One race is not a fair chance. BTW Jay Hullinger was running the race this past weekend, Rich was watching and learning. I'm sure he learned a lot and I look forward to speaking with him again at the South East Sportsnational Open in Cecil next month. Jim

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All you guys better hope that ALL he learned from Jay is how NOT to run a race!!

Good luck to all on this one!!

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Jim, I'm glad he talked to you for two hours. That really doesn't make up for the fact that he was not out there meeting the rest of the racers. I must have seen Jay a couple dozen times, I may have seen Rich once. I suppose that means I learned more about his job than Rich did.

Sorry, but he should have spent at least as much time meeting the rest of the racers as he did ANYTHING else. You'd think a new division director who had a current division director running the show for him would have really gone out and hustled to meet his racers.

I sure hope what he learned about track prep was what NOT to do.

I talked to about 1/2 a dozen or so people who met him. So far, you are the only one who seems to be at all impressed.

He's a promoter? A promoter should be out there meeting people he's supposed to be promoting, especially his paying customers, the racers who actually paid to get in the gate.

Our junk is tired, we likely won't make it to the Open. This was the last regular race of the season. There's a ton of people who won't be at the Open. Many who were there at Reynolds.

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Alan, I can't tell you what Rich did all weekend but I do know when I went up to get my check Sunday afternoon he was very sun burned, so he must not have been hiding under a desk somewhere. You guys are brutal! Give the guy a chance! Would you rather have Holt back? Jim

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Brutal? Seriously?

From what we saw and heard, he was in the alcohol pits, the comp pits, and the top sportsman pits. What about everyone else? Alcohol doesn't even come close to paying the bills. What about the people who do?

There were 5 qualifying sessions for Stock. And 56 cars. If he came out for 20 minutes each session, he wouldn't have been out for two hours. A couple minutes meeting each Stock racer. Just an example from one class that pays an entry fee.

He's had his first chance, and most were not impressed. Many won't be there for the Open. So there's no second chance for them there.

You don't get but one chance to make a good first impression. He missed it. People I know who would do a good job would have been out meeting people during the racing, and out in the pits after it stopped, the sportsman pits are as friendly as any place you'll find. He'd have been welcomed in at least 90% of the pits. But he never showed up. Harry did. I saw others as well. You shouldn't have to look for your new division director, he should be looking for you. Especially in his first appearance at a race.

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I have to agree with Alan, he should be out getting to know his "constituents". He should have been trying to make a good impression, even if it was just a "hi, how you doing? Glad you're here." Of course maybe he wanted to and Glendora told him not to associate with anyone incapable causing a 2 hr oildown.