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I know there are all kinds of combinations out there today. Z 28 originals to resto mods.
I am looking at a visually excellent COPO style body , 427 (oval port) motor 4 spd. Where within 5K would this fall in the market pricing? Any insight appreciated.
Dick Butler
The car has been TOTALLY apart and all new panels replace and new looking interior.

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Dick, the best way I have found to check on what cars are actually selling for is to watch the prices on e-bay. Do a search, select a few, then see what the bidding goes to and whether they sell or not. Very few musclecars are selling because people are still trying to get yesterdays prices.

Travis

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

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Dick what would a COPO style body be other than a coupe with a cowl hood?

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Dick
I have to agree with Travis - demand is a big part of what determines price (as well as whether or not the seller is motivated to sell or just testing the waters). If there is competition between multiple prospective buyers obviously that can drive the price up. That has really died down considerably the last few years.

I think you need to set your own value to it as a buyer. If you like the car & want it... & it fits into your plans (meaning - it sounds to me like it doesn't need any work at all & also that it is something you want to keep, not buy to resell and make a profit on), then it might be worth it, but only you can make that decision. To make any older muscle car totally cherry costs a hell of a lot more than five thousand dollars, not to mention the time it takes to do it.

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Dick, we own two camaros 67 and 68. These prices are all dependent on what the car is and what options it has. Small block cars can range from $22,000 to $35,000, 302, 4-speed can go to $75,000 range. Big block cars depending on size and transmission can rance from $29,000 with and automatic to $45,000 to $50,000.

There was a blue, with black interior, 68 small block car sold this past Saturday night at a local cruiz-in for $23,000. Man walked up to the car owner and said "is this car for sale" the guy just picked a number of $23,000. Man says " I have cash I'll take it". Research the car, look at all of the available information on the camaro site, auction sites and internet ads. (be carefull on the internet ads). Asked the Owner how much.

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To add to Travis' strategy, I do the same thing except after your search results come up, go to the check boxes on the left side and click on "completed listings". It will show you the results of recent auctions...prices in green are items that sold, prices in red are items that didn't sell.

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And the last car I would buy would be the one with "all new panels".

Spend the extra money and buy one that still has the original panels. There are a lot of really pretty cars with shiny paint that loose their allure once it gets to your garage for a few weeks and you start to really study it. Gaps, here, gaps there, mismatched seams and body lines and of course rust that seems to inevitably pop up; again and again.

Sure I'm spoiled living in Arizona. But the good ones are still out there. Since this oval port 427 (which is not a COPO engine since they were all rectangular port) is not original, consider a 307 Camaro that still has an excellent original body and put a 427 in it if that's what you want.

And with '69 Camaro's it's pretty easy to spend $25K on up on a decent driver that has a good appearance.

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Watch eBay and RacingJunk.com
67-69 Camaros have zilch for factory documentation on what is or is not a Z28, SS, RS, COPO.
If it has Taiwan fenders, quarters, and door skins, I would not pay over $20k no matter what.

I know someone that has LH & RH 67-68 factory GM quarters in his basement ;).

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I agree with the 307 approach since you can create an SS or Z28 really easy....especially if the trim tag has X11 or X55.
People think those are rare. They're not.

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The "Black Book" states a 69 Camaro SS Hardtop Coupe with 396 oval port is $43,975 excellent condition, 23,150 good, $13,875 fair condition.

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Lots of good ideas thanks. I'd love to build a DYNACORN body up to a complete Camaro but I'm afraid I'd need a "bail out" to finish it...
Dick

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Stay away from DYNACORN unless you have a body shop, nothing fits right. To Much work, I know a guy that started one last year and stopped, what a mess.

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As far as 1969 Z/28 Camaros, I own one and can pick out the fakes once I get to spend about a half hour with the car. There are certain factory clues and mountings that I learned as I redid the car. Just to start -----early west coast cars had no X codes so other signs outside of build sheet(extremely rare) and warrenty tin will help. If the car you are looking at has an X code it must be X33 or X77 for a Z/28. If the owner argues-walk away. The best documented camaros are from Canada as GM microfiched all the information and is available to you for a small fee. I could go on and on. Bottom line ----research. plenty of good information on the net.

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Go right to the expert , Jerry MacNeish , he is the foremost authority on Camaro's and has written several books about them.

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I agree with Dave Ley , Jerry is the leading expert on 67-69 camaro's ... Mainly 69 Z-28 's he is the Best & know's where most of them are hidden ... Call or e-mail him you won't be sorry ...

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As far as looking for an early Camaro , E Bay and Cars-on-line will give you an idea of what is out there. If you are looking at a real COPO 9561 car (steel head 427 ) be prepared to talk to your accountant. I have been to a lot of shows and have seen some fantastic recreations of of these cars --right down to the correct block and head casting , carb numbers, trans and rearend code numbers. A COPO car recreation pops up every so often on EBAY. The more correct the the more the money. Prices are also vary with the season. e.g---going into fall & winter prices will be more negotiable and in the spring the number will be higher. Spend some time to learn as much as you can about what you want and it will be a much more enjoyable experience.-----John;)

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Jim Boburka has a dynacorn 69 Z-28 that is a .900 to1.10 under stocker,had a article in jan 2010 drag racing action magazine,where he said the panels fit better than he expected.he did a awsome job on this car and it could pass for the real deal ,car looks flawless and large coin i would guess,,,,,,,,,,,,

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http://s1032.photobucket.com/home/rd.../recentuploads

Yikes on the rust... :(

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http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._2287048_n.jpg

Jim Boburka's Camaro

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Dave -- You're spot on .........Jerry is the most knowledgeable person I've ever met on these cars .As you know I've been a '69 Camaro owner since 1969 and he amazes me with the things he keeps pointing out .As for books he has written -- none finer for sure as he is the expert everyone seeks out .And he's right here on our board ..................z28camaroman .

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http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...H6btnQfXw5XCBQ

I was just reading about Jerry.

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Dick,
The place to go online for anything related to first generation Camaros is www.camaros.net
There is even a member ot 2 that worked on the assembly line where camaros were being produced back then that offer a lot of information about these cars.

Many camaro experts reside there and can provide you with pretty accurate evaluations of what a first generation camaro is worth. There is a forum there titled' What's It Worth', and posting pictures is recommended for a better approximation on the worth of one of these cars.

In response to some posts about deciphering certain Camaros as to how they came equipped from the factory the 1967 model is certainly the easiest by reading the trim tag and VIN. Certain alpha numeric codes were used for SS, RS, and options.

The 68 model is the hardest to decipher. The information on the TT was reduced and only someone presenting full documentation or certain clues will offer data to verify if a car was an SS or a Z-28 or a base model car.

The 69 model started out in the same boat as the 68 in regards to the info on the TT. After a few months the Norwood OH produced cars had 'X-codes' which helps to determine what a certain car came equipped with.

For instance the X-22 was a 396 SS with alot of styling trim, the x-33 was a dressed up Z-28, the X-44 was a base model car, the X-55 was a 350 SS, the X-66 was a 396 SS without much dress up trim and the X-77 was a z-28 without much styling trim.
The X-11 throws a curveball in the mess as about 10% of them were SS 350 models.

Many COPO 427 camaros in 69 came with the X-44 tag although they represented a small percentage of actuall X-44 cars. Not all COPO 427 cars were X-44 however.

None of the Los Angeles (Van Nuys plant) '69s had X-codes.

Beware that these tags are being faked and some unscrupulous people are taking valueable trim tags off of junked cars and putting them on base model cars. Some ways to tell a tag has been faked or put on another car can be done by scrutinizing the dum dum used or what options allegedly came with the car and then verifying when the factory actually started using that option or that certain tagged part.

www.camaros.org is a fantastic place to go online to help decipher certain codes on engines, rears, X-codes and etc.

I would disagree with who ever said not to buy one of these cars that had some or most or all of the panels replaced. Nothing could be worse than buying a car for 20k plus or more just to have the paint or bodywork srart to come unglued after a year or so.
I have a X-55 (hugger orange, AC,4speed 350 SS) and a X-77 Z-28 , I bought both cars in certain stages of metal replacement so I could finish them and know what I have.

I can't say all of what I posted above is 100% correct, but it should be pretty close. Anyone buying a 'numbers' type of first generation Camaro would certainly serve themselves well by purchasing one or more of Jerry's books, or hiring him for his services.

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Great thoughts. As for Numbers matching , that isnt my goal. As for RARE original my banker and I as still healing from the purchase of the fantom Z-11 car that vaporized after the money was paid. ( the seller has another year of shall we say "confinement") but I dont have the money.
I want a nice looking car with a BB. and no rust. Reallly good suggestions and I will take them to heart as I decide. Thanks.
Dick

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Interesting car in terms of class versis car representation. The car is dressed as a Z/28 as we all know came with a 302 sbc. I believe a 1969 camaro with the 302 falls into E/S yet this car clearly is classified as a A/SA. There are only 396 and 427 bbc in that class. The only cars to come through with the cowl induction hood was a Z/28 or the COPO 9560-9561 cars. If it is a 396/375 L78 L89 it has wrong the hood . I thought the car still had to fit the engine option as it was offered from the factory ?:confused: Also 1969 Z/28 non RS cars had argent silver grills even though many have been replaced with black. Don't get me wrong , Jim's car is beautiful -just a bit confusing to those who not in the know !

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Finespline,
It's very common that owners ad Z-28 emblems even though the car is clearly not a Z-28. I'm sure Chevrolet has produced 50:1 emblems per actual Camaro Z-28 produced!
Cowl hoods were also on Z-10 & Z-11 '69 Camaro's as standard issue and others can show that they were also available on just about everything else.
Bottom line, NHRA accepts it.

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Finespline, the L-78 was available with the cowl induction hood. I have one to prove it, with documentation!!!

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I forgot about the Indy pace cars with the standard cowl induction hood. Joe , you are right as after a certain date of the build year , ZL-2 hoods were available on any V-8. Which made it retroactive to the beginning of the build year. I was wrong !! That had to be the best selling hood chevy ever sold as a option or over the counter. Has anybody measured any difference ET wise from flat hood to cowl hood ?--------John