Ladder For Class Eliminations ?
 

Some one did a sportsman ladder at Sonoma for class, and it worked very well. Low qualifier previous to first round of class got the bye. The only thing left to be determined was coin flip for lane choice.

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Larry thanks for the ride thru Western part of the country .. Enjoy all posts and pictures.

Now do you REALLY think you can get 8 to 12 racers in a class to agree on a ladder sheet. Hell 4 or 5 is hard enough.. I would but up for the ladder sheet. Can't run fast enough in A/SA against DP/ponies. B/SA is no better so what the HELL let's have fun.

I vote for ladder sheet

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Lets do this at Indy in A/SA.

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I vote yes for a ladder for class eliminations, this might fix some of the sand bagging problems some racers think we have ....

Great job on your posts of your western swing trip ... it was really neat and the pics were great too ..

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Will not work unless NHRA says that is the rule

:-)

Peace

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[QUOTE=Andys dad;203649]Will not work unless NHRA says that is the rule



And good luck getting that rule passed ............but its a great idea .

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Here is the deal on ladders for class at Indy cause I've done it before
The class runners (drivers) would have to agree on this, only takes one to mess it up for everyone
Now once agreed on, the ladder would be made before everybody is called to the lanes and you would have to pull into the lanes with your running partner. NHRA will not wait or hold up for us to pair up in the lanes very long. It can be done. I will help, let me know on Weds if and what classes we want to do this in. pairings would be made up from the night before class off of qualifying from that point and a meeting would be done.
also remember there can not be 2 byes in a round, if someone breaks/no show we will have to do a quick fix on ladder. Trust me its hard but can be done. Be nicer if NHRA gave the ok on it.

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Should always be that way, but I won't hold my breath until it happens.

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Joe, I forgot about the no shows. Oh well back to pulling cards. Maybe I will get the bye and make it to the second round this year, I can always hope.

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I have always liked this idea. Instead of the usual mess in the back of staging, cards,short straws,dice, paper out of a hat....Ive seen it all....Thanks for the offer to help out Nitro.

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I can speak from experience about class at Indy, odd number of cars, the lowest qualifier gets the bye first round. I have NO issue at all with this. However odd number of cars for second round is a coin flip not the second lowest qualifier. Everyone is bagging and don't want to trigger if possible. This NEEDS TO BE IN THE RULE BOOK!!!!!!!


Lowest qualifier is a gentlemans rule --- However, NHRA tech gets involved in the lanes and everyone will flip -- ask me how I know.

The ladder would be great but...... Who's gonna do it? What kind?

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Back in the 70's it was always a you pick it situation for the bye run. I remember in 1980, we drove up there first and nobody else would come in. The guy that ran staging got so upset after waiting 20 minutes he gave us the bye run. And the rest is history

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just my opinion......

fastest guy (really doesn't care) - but wants the bye run (because he's the fastest).
2nd fastest guy - doesn't want to run fastest guy (so he wants a ladder - to avoid fastest guy).
3rd fastest guy - (in large class).... see 2nd fastest guy
slowest guy - wants to run one of the other slower cars

I hate the idea of a ladder for class.
I've been in the lanes at INDY for over 30 years.... it's not a big deal!

Just come up to the lanes and flip coins, draw cards, whatever it takes.....
The rules (as they are now) don't support any other way.

Each class will figure it out for themsselves.

again.... "just my opinion"

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Well said Tommy!!

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Ladders would stop some the rush to draw, pull or whatever. Good story No 1. Last year or the year before in C/SA everybody was busy avoiding pulling into the lane. Since I was the slowest by 4 or 5 tenths I pulled in and was wondering who wanted the turkey. They the drawing started. The first didn't go according to plan, so then the drawing started again. I just waited for the last one. Someone miscounted. I had no drawing. Hell I thought I would just take the bye. Then someone noticed the paring wasn't to their liking since nobody claimed the turkey. So now we draw again. I think ladders would stop that. Nitro can handle any ladder and solve all that crap. I would donate to the cause and I will be happy to send this immediately to the SRAC as well as Graham Light who has the final say. There will be no bye's for breakage or most anything else unless odd number. Nitro Joe can handle all this. He been doin it for the Hemi guys for some time as well as a bunch of other events. What yall think?

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Hey Jeff I submitted a request to the SRAC and sent a letter to the Competition department. I just asked that they establish the method to be used. That alone might stop all of the BS, bickering and positioning in the staging lanes. But nothing happened

It is a simple matter to have a ladder from NHRA. They have a list of the cars in each class. I appreciate Nitro's offer but NHRA should do it.

First and foremost the method to be used should not be up for grabs. It should be clearly in the rules - just like lane choice. Whether its a ladder or coin flip or cards or ...

The rules actually do not say anything about what should be done. Hell at Fontana the staging guy was going to use how we pulled up until we pointed out some had been there a long time - we were just off to the side in the back out of his line of sight.

Must be a tough decision since it has been this way forever

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Yea, I reckon Tom has it right too !!!!

I've been involved with many class run-offs with car counts from 2 thru 12. The ladder is too structured because it's pure pleasure to see a slow guy either get a buy or race somebody that he can possibly beat, in any round. If ya the fast guy, why would ya want the bye 1st. rnd. anyhow when ya sitt'en there all hopped up ???

I carry pairs of cards in me console with a joker for the bye (if needed). The hardest part is getting everybody in the same place to draw 'em when there's a bunch of 'em !!!!

Still my favorite system after all these years. Been the slow guy and the fast guy ????????