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ALMACK 07-24-2010 12:09 AM

Proposed idea for the IHRA Stock GT class....just an idea to make it more interesting
 
With the NHRA allowing the new CJ and DP into Stock, it just seems the whole "stock" idea is exagerated now. So, taking it one step further, I was thinking how cool it would be for racers to have alot more choices.

I know the NHRA would never consider the following idea, but maybe the IHRA guys would listen.

The IHRA Stock GT class is a great idea. However, it is somewhat limited to carbed engine combos. (1979 and older engines into 1980 and later bodies)
The current GT combos would still be legal with this new proposed idea, but now, even more racers could get involved !

Here are the proposed guidelines:

*** Any year eligible vehicle in the stock car classification guide could use any eligible engine produced from the 1960's to 2011. (must remain within the corporate family of the body tho)

*** The only engines that could use a 2 speed automatic would be those engines that came from the factory with a 2 speed. Beyond that, any eligible engine could use the choice of a 3 or 4 speed automatic or 4,5, or 6 speed manuals. This way engines that before could only run manuals, can now run either type of trans.

*** The possibilities are numerous.
Examples:
A racer with a 1968 Firebird could run a 1973 SD 455 if so desired.

A racer with a 1983 Thunderbird could run an 1985 carbed 5.0L H.O. Mustang engine with an automatic.

A racer with a 1969 Camaro could run a 1999 LS1 Z-28 fuel injected engine.

A racer with a new 2010 body in white Challenger puts a 440 six pack in it.

Just think of the fun combos racers could come up with !

What do you think ?

Mark Yacavone 07-24-2010 01:32 AM

Re: Proposed idea for the IHRA Stock GT class....just an idea to make it more interes
 
What do I think?

You asked ,so...

My opinion is, whenever you have the wrong engine in the wrong body, It's b-o-r-i-n-g!

That goes for GT Stock, GT Super Stock , IHRA Crate Motor, NASCAR , NMCA ...wherever.

Bob Bender 07-24-2010 03:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mark yacavone (Post 200109)
what do i think?

You asked ,so...

My opinion is, whenever you have the wrong engine in the wrong body, it's b-o-r-i-n-g!

That goes for gt stock, gt super stock , ihra crate motor, nascar , nmca ...wherever.

amen

X-TECH MAN 07-24-2010 07:36 AM

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I think it would be a nightmare for IHRA. They have trouble keeping up with the combos that already exist with the couple of guys who still care about class racing still working with them.

Robert Swartz 07-24-2010 04:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 200122)
I think it would be a nightmare for IHRA. They have trouble keeping up with the combos that already exist with the couple of guys who still care about class racing still working with them.

Have to agree with this. This sounds an awful lot like what AHRA used to do with "Formula Stock". Those rules were written to allow all kinds of mix and match combos, many that were either never offered/existed.

You could always pitch the idea. I really don't understand why there is so much resistance to the crate motor cars or GT stock in NHRA . GT Super Stock for that matter has been around since the early 80's. It certainly didn't ruin the class. That's an old argument, I don't want to dredge it up again. The cars are allowed at the local combos, that's pretty much the only places I expect to attend.

GarysZ24 07-24-2010 04:56 PM

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I'm going to go against the grain of the others so far, by saying I'd like the idea as long as it would give racers who currently run fuel injectioned engines a chance to replace that system with a carbureted system...it would quicken teardowns, and just might make cars easier to adjust/tune (I know it would mine)! Oh how I'd love not having to deal with fuel injection, by being able to run an older version of my 173V6 that was carbureted...with Stock rules as they are now, it's illegal to change a fuel system that came with the make/model/year of your car, to one that didn't. The money/time I would've saved over the years... :( . If that rule ever changes (not likely I bet), then my m.f.i. system will be out faster than I can travel from north Tempe, to F.I.R.. I'm certain I can find a carburetor and manifold from one of the early 173 V6's (similar to what the Chevy Citation my fellow fwd stocker racer "Randy Hyman" has on his car). Too bad the '82 Cavaliers didn't come with V6's or this would be a non-issue with me!

Dave Ribeiro 07-24-2010 07:38 PM

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Don't you guys think they have enough classes Now ??? .... I agree with Terry on this one ....

Eric Kitzan 07-24-2010 07:58 PM

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I think the GT cars in SS are O.K. but stock should be left alone. I think it would kind of cheapen the class.

Alan Roehrich 07-25-2010 08:28 AM

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Hmmm. Alphabet soup class racing. Ever notice what happens when you try to be everything to everyone and let everyone do whatever they want? Eventually, you won't have enough windshield to put all the numbers and letters for the classes on.

danny waters sr 07-25-2010 10:17 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Ribeiro (Post 200253)
Don't you guys think they have enough classes Now ??? .... I agree with Terry on this one ....

I agree. Got some classes now that need to be deleted. Y'all killin me now. lol.

X-TECH MAN 07-25-2010 10:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by danny waters sr (Post 200324)
I agree. Got some classes now that need to be deleted. Y'all killin me now. lol.

Yep......If it wasnt for guys like you and Hank IHRA would really be lost. Hang in there Danny.

ALMACK 07-29-2010 08:01 PM

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Everyone made good points. Thanks for the input.

Of course the whole idea I presented will never happen.

I personally like the body styles of the 1980 and later cars, (and they are cheap to buy) but I am a carb and automatic guy so anything after 1985, well I am s.o.l.....LOL

My guess is things will stay the same as they are now....oh well.

Jim Woods 07-29-2010 08:34 PM

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I would like any year body with 79 and older motor, any corporate combo

GarysZ24 07-30-2010 02:15 PM

Re: Proposed idea for the IHRA Stock GT class....just an idea to make it more interes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Ribeiro (Post 200253)
Don't you guys think they have enough classes Now ??? .... I agree with Terry on this one ....

Perhaps they do have too many classes (although I think it was overkill when NHRA dropped the fwd class count from 16 to 4, and then just boosted it back to 5), but I know you V8 rwd guys/gals don't care about us fwd racers (have you ever???), so that's why that statement was made (kind of reminds me about a certain political party who doesn't seem to care about "MADE IN THE USA", by allowing our liveable wage manufacturing jobs to go overseas!!! However, since they bent the rules over the years (from the 70's), to allow 2steps, wheelie bars (amongst other things), they could at least allow an option of converting a fuel injection system to a carbureted system (as long as the year, type, and engine said fuel system was in production would be known, so as to know it wasn't an aftermarket hop-up). I don't mind the class structure as it is (and I was ok with doing away with the fwd classes too, since my car could run V/SA), but it would be an optional improvement for fwd fuelie cars the same as wheelie bars are to you wheelstanding stockers...my .02 (doubled).

X-TECH MAN 07-30-2010 04:25 PM

Re: Proposed idea for the IHRA Stock GT class....just an idea to make it more interes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GarysZ24 (Post 201455)
Perhaps they do have too many classes (although I think it was overkill when NHRA dropped the fwd class count from 16 to 4, and then just boosted it back to 5), but I know you V8 rwd guys/gals don't care about us fwd racers (have you ever???), so that's why that statement was made (kind of reminds me about a certain political party who doesn't seem to care about "MADE IN THE USA", by allowing our liveable wage manufacturing jobs to go overseas!!! However, since they bent the rules over the years (from the 70's), to allow 2steps, wheelie bars (amongst other things), they could at least allow an option of converting a fuel injection system to a carbureted system (as long as the year, type, and engine said fuel system was in production would be known, so as to know it wasn't an aftermarket hop-up). I don't mind the class structure as it is (and I was ok with doing away with the fwd classes too, since my car could run V/SA), but it would be an optional improvement for fwd fuelie cars the same as wheelie bars are to you wheelstanding stockers...my .02 (doubled).

Gary.....I think the problem of teching the deal you are talking about would be overwhelming to IHRA. As far as I know the IHRA has but 2 (TWO) tech guys who really give a poop and know about stock and S/S (unless someone new has come on board in the last few months) and they are usually drafted to do all sorts of jobs during an event. It a "Man power" problem and its tough to keep up with what they have going on now. I left about 9-10 years ago and Duane Eiskant (a very good tech guy who loves stockers) left a couple of years ago (they screwed him to) so thats about it. Jim Woods works for them also and ran the Stock and Super Stock circuit in Florida but he dosent work that often with IHRA. It would take a full time tech guy to set it up and keeps tabs. There are a couple who claim to care but they really dont know (Im not knocking those guys) as they are just to young to have "been there and done that" so I dont see much changing in the near future as long as the current "Administration" is in charge.

GarysZ24 07-30-2010 08:18 PM

Re: Proposed idea for the IHRA Stock GT class....just an idea to make it more interes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 201484)
Gary.....I think the problem of teching the deal you are talking about would be overwhelming to IHRA. As far as I know the IHRA has but 2 (TWO) tech guys who really give a poop and know about stock and S/S (unless someone new has come on board in the last few months) and they are usually drafted to do all sorts of jobs during an event. It a "Man power" problem and its tough to keep up with what they have going on now. I left about 9-10 years ago and Duane Eiskant (a very good tech guy who loves stockers) left a couple of years ago (they screwed him to) so thats about it. Jim Woods works for them also and ran the Stock and Super Stock circuit in Florida but he dosent work that often with IHRA. It would take a full time tech guy to set it up and keeps tabs. There are a couple who claim to care but they really dont know (Im not knocking those guys) as they are just to young to have "been there and done that" so I dont see much changing in the near future as long as the current "Administration" is in charge.

I'm sorry to hear that about the IHRA's tech "Man Power" woes, but I was mainly thinking about NHRA, since they're the ones who did all of the stuff I spoke of (in recent years/decades). I'm glad to know that in IHRA my Cavalier would fit into the EF/SA class, and I'd still have an index of 15.90. Furthermore, since the seemingly wet dream of the AHRA returning has (so far) proven to be "ALL WET", I'm glad to know that IHRA is expanding into the western states (they have Rocky Mountain Raceway, after getting San Antonio and Amarillo, Tx., and a track somewhere in Wa. state), because now we western racers will have a chance to enjoy some of what the rest of you (that are geographically fortunate), have partaken of for years (without needing to be a touring pro to do so). I digress to say that I don't forsee NHRA changing anything where my ideas are concerned either, because there's so few of us fwd'ers (not to mention fuel injected racers that is), out there.....oh well, it's just a matter of time (seat time included), until I make the hand I've been dealt work...the dough is coming in, and although this season's not over just yet, 2011 is starting to look like it (financially) will be even better than '06, '07, & '08 were...those years were very good for the "Shark Bait" entry!

danny waters sr 08-02-2010 03:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 200325)
Yep......If it wasnt for guys like you and Hank IHRA would really be lost. Hang in there Danny.

Don't forget about Jim Woods too. I sure am glad he came back to work with us.

X-TECH MAN 08-02-2010 05:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by danny waters sr (Post 202059)
Don't forget about Jim Woods too. I sure am glad he came back to work with us.

I didnt forget him Danny...I just didnt think he worked a lot of races? I mentioned him in another post. It takes a class racer to be a good class legal tech guy. Keep up the good work.


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