Responses Are Being Received
 

I want to thank everyone for their responses on the Delay Box survey. I've received over 300 so far, 230 of which fit our "criteria" for official tally. But the others are being kept, read and forwarded as well. I'd love to respond to each one, but it's impossible, so please pass on this note to anyone who may not watch this forum.

Keep 'em coming. And no, I won't release any preliminary tallies.

Thanks!

Jim, thanks for giving us and opportunity to respond to what you are considering. I hope by the response activity you will see how we feel about the racing we do. Thanks John

GT/TA 7391

Jim Please give me a call. 732 241 7136
Thanks Joe Garbarine

Jim.......Please tell me why in the HELL you would even consider this ????????????

neil while i am against having any more distractions to work on or tune up,not to mention spending countless hours learning how to drive with a trans brake coming from foot brake cars, not i or any one else who plays by the rule will win races all the time when there is a select few who are using delay devices in there cars! this has been going on for at least 10 years that i can count and NHRA cannot police it or for that matter find it in the cars/ people in question. i have driven bracket cars with delay unit and let me tell you double 00 lights all day! i am in no way happy about this and do not want it to come to pass. but what do we as racers do and how can nhra fix it? million dollar question! i sure wish it was 1989 again!!!!

Jarn05 What they are talking about can be found and can be policed. What they are talking about is the special adjustible switches. These are in plain view for any one to see.
Are there probably some out there with hidden things I am sure there are. But lets worry about the obvious first.

Let's outlaw two steps???
I'm sure when it happens it will be an across the board blanket ban! That sure will be nice for the stick cars!!!!!!!!
Why create the charade with the delay box question? How hard would it have been to simply mandate a spec button????


Later, Bill Koski

Jim,

My name is Wayne Taylor. I am a very active Div. 7 Super Stock racer. Competition #7772 - This year #75- last year #79. Current national record holder in GT/HA. I have proudly raced in Super Stock for the past 18 years. So I guess I can speak on this topic.

First, I have a problem with your choices. Yes, allow delay boxes. No, no delay boxes or buttons except the one NHRA chooses. How about, "Leave everything as it currently stands"? I don't want electronic delay boxes, in any way in our class. I like the things just the way they are. Currently I use the AX button. And I have every other approved button on the market in my trailer.

Where did this issue come from and how did it get to this point? I have been to every Div.7 race (LODRS and National) for the past 7 years and haven't heard this subject to be an issue.

What are the different manufacturers going to think about this? NHRA has blessed, while their "approval" , the buttons from BIonda, Mandella, Ax, Unruh...... Now they will be "disallowed" in Comp and SS. If I was a manufacturer of a new cutting edge product, any product, what value would "NHRA approved" have to me, if in 3 months some committee can change there mind. Why would I want to invest in tooling and development costs on a product that can be legal today and banned tomorrow?

Right now, I hesitate to cast my vote on your poll. I hope you revist your choices and consider my suggestion.

Wayne

It's been well over a month since this S/S delay box question was raised. When are we going to see the results?

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT JUST REMOVING THE REACTION TIME FROM THE TIME SLIP AND THEN NO ONE WOULD KNOW WHAT THEIR OR THE OTHER DRIVERS LIGHT WAS AND THEN MAYBE ALL THIS BICKERING BACK AND FORTH WOULD COME TO AN END ???????

Allen Lambert

i think doing away with reaction times would help a bunch!!!!!!

It's been mentioned before in response to the suggestion to remove reaction times from the time slip. There are racers that are pretty consistent with RT's. With a box and no RT's to go by, all they do is take out time till they red light. Then put a little back in!

It's possible to do that without a box too, by changing rpm's, tire pressure, etc. But at least it's done with physical/manual changes, not electronic, pneumatic, etc.

Keep RT's, but reduce electronic driver aids.



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What Myron said.

Before reaction times were displayed, there were an even smaller number of drivers who really knew how things worked, and they dominated like no other.


Michael Beard
<u>Staging Light Graphic Design & Printing</u>
Duck Tape/Loctite Racing
H - I - J/CM '80 Volare 360 Magnum

THERE IS NOT ENOUGH QUALIFING RUNS IN A DIVISIONAL OR NATIONAL EVENT TO ADJUST A DELAY DEVICE IF REACTION TIMES WERE NOT DISPLAYED WHERE A DRIVER COULD DOMINATE ROUND AFTER ROUND AS ONLY A CERTAIN FEW DO. I AM 63 YEARS OLD,STARTED RACING AT THE AGE OF 16 WHICH IS SOME 47 YEARS AND I DONT REMEMBER ANY DRIVERS DOMINATING UNTIL THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS WHEN ELECTRONICS HAVE TAKEN OVER THIS SPORT.

Allen Lambert

Well Allen,that`s where you`re wrong. I have a delay box in the dragster I run,and if you don`t mess with the car,you know right where to set your delay. I know that most class racers out there can`t leave their car alone after one run,so it would be difficult to set a delay box for them. I can go an entire off season,and come up for the first test n tune,and be very near the .000 on the first hit. What I`m curious about is,what happens if the delay boxes are allowed,and there is a Stock/Super Stock Combo race? I`m not afraid to race against delay boxes,but some are. Lane

Lane M Weber
5701 Stock

IN THE CASE OF A S/SS COMBO OBVIOUSLY THEY WOULD HAVE TO ALLOW THEM IN STOCKER'S TOO (FOR THAT EVENT ONLY) OR HAVE THE S/S CARS REMOVE THERES (FOR THAT EVENT ONLY) OR NO LONGER HAVE S/SS COMBOS[:-veryangry-:]

HEY CLUTCH MAN,I DO READ THE DRAGSTER AND ON MY POST I SAID SEVERAL YEARS AND NOT A COUPLE AND SEVERAL IS MORE THAN 2. NO I AM NOT 100 BUT I DO USE MY REAL NAME SO PEOPLE KNOW WHO I AM,NO I AM NOT BEING A SMART *** I AM JUST BEING TRUTHFUL

Allen Lambert

HEY LANE,YOU ARE PROBABLY RIGHT ON THE DELAY BOX ADJUSTMENT BUT I HAVE SEEN MANY RACERS THAT HAVE NOT HAD GOOD LIGHTS USING A DELAY BOX,NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THIS ISSUE IS OVER SOME ONE WILL COME UP WITH SOMETHING ELSE TO CHANGE

Allen Lambert

>> I DONT REMEMBER ANY DRIVERS DOMINATING UNTIL THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS WHEN ELECTRONICS HAVE TAKEN OVER THIS SPORT.

Wasn't class racing, but names like Chip Horton, and Steve Taylor (RIP) come to mind. Ray Thurston won the track championship at Beaver Springs 4-5 years in a row, then Brad Adams won it 6 years in a row. When Thurston started out, they didn't show R/T's, and he slaughtered people. When they started showing R/T's, everyone found out that he was .040's all the time, and everyone else was.... much worse!


Michael Beard
<u>Staging Light Graphic Design & Printing</u>
Duck Tape/Loctite Racing
H - I - J/CM '80 Volare 360 Magnum

Each time period have had great drivers. It isn't just since electronics. Its hard work and seat time and hand/eye coordination or timing, whatever one calls it. Take 70-74 . It was Dave Boertman and Bobby Warren. In 39 National events in that 5 year period Dave or Bobby was in the winners circle 14 times, 7 each.

Allen,you are right again. I`ve had the worst reaction times of my life with a delay box,but also the most consistant string of double ohs and teens with one. On the flip side,I`ve been fortunate enough to take out my V/SA Skyhawk after a long winter,with a new combination and be .011 on the second hit. There are racers out there that can hit the tree without the help of weird switches and whatever,and they are impressive. When they win a lot,everyone thinks they`re cheating. Lane

Lane M Weber
5701 Stock

"Steve Taylor (RIP)"
Is this the same footbraking Steve Taylor who ran the caviliers?
If it is, I didn't know he passed, what happened?

I use my RT to adjust myself, not a button, not my transmission, just me. By getting rid of RTs, it would take the driver out of the equation almost as much as a delay box. If you want a delay box there are 3 classes already waiting for you. If policing is the problem then get rid of transbrakes, and all wires going into the transmission. Even the "slow" transmissions aren't as effective as a delayed transbrake. Two steps still require two actions, release a button and release the brake; not to say I would be upset if they got rid of those too. As far as tire pressure and RPMs are concerned, that's car setup, and totally different.