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Ken Miele 05-31-2010 09:39 AM

Hawk and Cook Brothers New CJ
 
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Here are some pictures of the Hawk and Cook Brothers 2010 CJ project. Ken Keir is doing all the chassis fabrication.

Ken Keir is well known for building some of the best comp cars in the country, but he also specializes in Stock and Super Stock. The new CJ's and DP's and hopefully the new Camaro's are projects that Ken is very excited about.

If your interested in quality, state of the art fabrication, give Ken a call.

Ken Keir Race Cars
301 855 4988

Larry Hill 05-31-2010 06:32 PM

Re: Hawk and Cook Brothers New CJ
 
Ken, since Bill is building a new Ford 2010 does that mean that the specs. will change six times in a year. I wonder if the 1968 L88 Chevy carb will be allowed on the new "Crate Motor Ford".

Randy Mullins 05-31-2010 06:41 PM

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what's that sound ? could it be carroll shelby warming up his pencil sharpener.LOL:D

butch8908 05-31-2010 06:45 PM

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Ken,
Do you know if they will still campaign the older mustang? the one that flies high? I'm sure the 2010 one will stay pretty glued to ground like all of the other 2009/2010's that I have seen.

Hope to see you again in Charlotte in September.

Butch
the guy with the pictures.

Ken Miele 05-31-2010 07:18 PM

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Larry, its better than that. I heard they can use1150 dominator, I hope its enough.

Butch, Bill will still be campaigning the 67. The new project will have a shoe behind the wheel (yet to be determined) to help it find the winner circle more often.

I will be in Charlotte, make sure you stop by and say hello, the pictures you take are outstanding.


Robert Simpson 05-31-2010 09:58 PM

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Will they be running Stock or SS with the new CJ?

Stephen & Horace Johnson 05-31-2010 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Simpson (Post 189970)
Will they be running Stock or SS with the new CJ?

I was told Stock

X-TECH MAN 06-01-2010 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by stephen & horace johnson (Post 189974)
i was told stock

lol

Ken Miele 06-01-2010 11:05 AM

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Robert, they will be running Stock.

John Lang 06-01-2010 11:16 AM

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Is this car a do it yourselfer? as I thought the factory had them ready to go ! Being a Mopar lover, I reallllllllllly like the Fords !.......John

Ken Miele 06-01-2010 11:29 AM

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John,

This is a body in white along with exterior and interior kits. There were about 40 kits sold and they had to be pre order. Ford will being doing this again for the 2012 CJ.

It makes it much easier to build with the body in white along with the kits. You get everything you need and nothing you don't, and I mean everything, trim, fasteners. You get everything to finish the car except drivetrain, which can be purchased separately.

John Lang 06-01-2010 12:07 PM

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Ken, I have been talking to a small town Ford dealer that happens to have some connections with getting HP stuff ! So I'm told ! He, the owner a younger guy, has a new GT w/a 5.0 -412 HP coming and he plans on doing some road racing, as we only live 24 mi from Road America, and he's telling me about the possibility of rollers, race ready, less motor and trans ! I would like to see that one step further, as race ready with choice of engine, and trans, from top engine option for SS or Stk to say the V-6 for stk elim ! I guess if your going to wish, go for the whole thing ! I bought a whole bunch of FORD stock when it got down to 1.75 per,eh ha!!! That being said, I still really like the FORDS !John

SSDiv6 06-01-2010 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by John Lang (Post 190051)
Ken, I have been talking to a small town Ford dealer that happens to have some connections with getting HP stuff ! So I'm told ! He, the owner a younger guy, has a new GT w/a 5.0 -412 HP coming and he plans on doing some road racing, as we only live 24 mi from Road America, and he's telling me about the possibility of rollers, race ready, less motor and trans ! I would like to see that one step further, as race ready with choice of engine, and trans, from top engine option for SS or Stk to say the V-6 for stk elim ! I guess if your going to wish, go for the whole thing ! I bought a whole bunch of FORD stock when it got down to 1.75 per,eh ha!!! That being said, I still really like the FORDS !John

It is quite interesting to see in the latest issue of Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords July 2010, when Evan tests the new 5.0 Mustang GT, puts a set of sticky tires, goes low 12's and pulls one tire off the ground during the launch from a car right off the showroom...

Jason Fuller 06-01-2010 02:14 PM

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This thread made me laugh in two ways...#1 Larry's reply about changing the specs 6 times and #2 The fact Bill Hawk will no doubt bomb this combo into superstock where it belongs. Thanks for putting a smile on MY face, indeed!

Duane Eiskant II 06-01-2010 03:12 PM

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Hey Larry the throttle body on the new 428 cj is the same as what the DP's are. So the 850 carb will likely slow them down. Jason, dont get your hopes up of Hawk bombing it making it a super stock only car. I think most would agree that he was "worked" the system with the 67' car pretty well.

Greg Hill 06-01-2010 03:47 PM

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Kit cars and crate motors. Stock sure is changing.

Jason Fuller 06-01-2010 04:00 PM

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I'm still amaized a 396 camaro rated at 400-405 beat Hawk in class at Indy last year...Dry ice may help reduce our runner volumes amonst other things but, Damn! I hope Hawk beats the crap out of that combo though I'm not to concerned about it.

Duane Eiskant II 06-01-2010 04:02 PM

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The fumes are getting to you already. Last year at INDY, the wheelie bars broke on wed and we never made another pass. Maybe it was two years ago, that the honda short block 396 beat him. That's what im thinking.

rawhide 06-01-2010 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Duane Eiskant II (Post 190079)
Hey Larry the throttle body on the new 428 cj is the same as what the DP's are. So the 850 carb will likely slow them down. Jason, dont get your hopes up of Hawk bombing it making it a super stock only car. I think most would agree that he was "worked" the system with the 67' car pretty well.

This is a picture of the new throttle body.

X-TECH MAN 06-01-2010 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg Hill (Post 190084)
Kit cars and crate motors. Stock sure is changing.

You forgot.......Its not stock anymore.....Its what is accepted.

Don Whitmore 06-01-2010 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 190120)
You forgot.......Its not stock anymore.....Its what is accepted.

Speaking of that, since Keir is building this CJ, did the '68 Nova he built for stock gain total acceptance as being legal for stock? There was a thread on here that documented the beautiful craftsmanship, but questioned the car's legality? Will the CJ have the same problem?

bill dedman 06-02-2010 01:32 AM

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The more things change, the more they stay the same...

RE: "You forgot.......Its not stock anymore.....Its what is accepted."

Puts me in mind of the '55-'60 Hydro-equipped Chevy sedan deliveries that ran amock in the Stocker ranks from about 1965 'til NHRA pulled the plug on them sometime around 1971 (can't remember exactly when.) By tht time, they had virtually every Stock Class Record for automatics, from E/SA (???) down to N/SA.... using various years and engine combinations, the sheer variety of which, boggled the mind. A popular combo was the dual-quad, 270 HP 283 (Duntov cam, Stahl headers, Grumpy shortblock)...

I remember the wife of the driver of the '60 Buick convertible called "Big Daddy" writing in the "Letters to the Editor" column that her husband, Russ Mathews, a Buick racer for many years, was giving up trying to outrun the sedan deliveries...

Sad; and reminds me of the situation in A/SA today, with the owners/drivers of the once-feared 396/427 Camaros looking at the numbers that the bogus HP factor "new" CJ cars and DP Challengers are capable of.

The argument that brought down the sedan deliveries was that no assembly-line Chevy passenger cars ever had been built with a Hydro. None... Not an assembly-line car, so it was not legal for "Stock."

But, like the CJ's and DP's, they made hay for awhile with that 4-speed automatic... Took about 7 years to get that mess straightened out.

Wonder how long it will take to fix this one???

X-TECH MAN 06-02-2010 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Don Whitmore (Post 190124)
Speaking of that, since Keir is building this CJ, did the '68 Nova he built for stock gain total acceptance as being legal for stock? There was a thread on here that documented the beautiful craftsmanship, but questioned the car's legality? Will the CJ have the same problem?

YES the Nova is legal......It never was illegal. Its just the usual Bull S##T you read on this site almost every day. Ive known Kenny since before he went into business and my S/S Camaro was his first job he did back in 1977. He is a quality craftsman and very few can do the quality work that he does. Hes not cheap but quality never is. The Nova is a first class piece and I looked it over myself before I moved to Fl. and could not find anything wrong.

X-TECH MAN 06-02-2010 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by bill dedman (Post 190143)
The more things change, the more they stay the same...

RE: "You forgot.......Its not stock anymore.....Its what is accepted."

Puts me in mind of the '55-'60 Hydro-equipped Chevy sedan deliveries that ran amock in the Stocker ranks from about 1965 'til NHRA pulled the plug on them sometime around 1971 (can't remember exactly when.) By tht time, they had virtually every Stock Class Record for automatics, from E/SA (???) down to N/SA.... using various years and engine combinations, the sheer variety of which, boggled the mind. A popular combo was the dual-quad, 270 HP 283 (Duntov cam, Stahl headers, Grumpy shortblock)...

I remember the wife of the driver of the '60 Buick convertible called "Big Daddy" writing in the "Letters to the Editor" column that her husband, Russ Mathews, a Buick racer for many years, was giving up trying to outrun the sedan deliveries...

Sad; and reminds me of the situation in A/SA today, with the owners/drivers of the once-feared 396/427 Camaros looking at the numbers that the bogus HP factor "new" CJ cars and DP Challengers are capable of.

The argument that brought down the sedan deliveries was that no assembly-line Chevy passenger cars ever had been built with a Hydro. None... Not an assembly-line car, so it was not legal for "Stock."

But, like the CJ's and DP's, they made hay for awhile with that 4-speed automatic... Took about 7 years to get that mess straightened out.

Wonder how long it will take to fix this one???

We will all be dead and gone before this mess gets straightend out. 9.41 @151 MPH in AA.....give me a break !


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