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Anybody else think that episode with Mike Edwards car backfiring through the carbs and breaking under the tower before the semis yesterday was strange?

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maybe Jerry Eckmann can comment on this...

Hammer

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Doesn't Jerry work for Roger Brogdon not Mike Edwards? I thought he had a lifetime NHRA ban... Guess it got lifted.
I'm interested in knowing what part or parts failed on Jegs car.
Did it just pop out of first gear? Did he fail to activate the throttle stop? :~)

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After all the track is in Ill close to Wayne County were there any sightings???

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I deffinately thought the day was a little strange for WJ. After outdriving Krisher, he dodges 3 of the biggest bullets out there in AJ, Mike and Jeg? Kinda wierd. As far as sightings,,,look at the replay when they had the frontend off of Edwards car,,,isn't that Alderman back there in the crowd smiling? K&N Charity Day.
Danny Durham

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Eckman as well as Brogdon work for Steve Kent. The ban is for driving only on Eckman. As far as Edwards, it is very odd that he can out run any car at anytime by as much as a tenth. Maybe the same vandals will show up at his shop and destroy all of his engines like they did Aldermans back in the day.

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Johnson had too much luck--good time for him to retire-again---:cool:

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Man, you guys are tough ! I think, that if I had that run of luck , going for me, I'D BE DAMN GLAD OF IT !! Glad to see WJ get a win again ! You all know Edwards isnt doing anything wrong, just had an equipment failure of some sort. Jeggie lost a clutch or whatever.
The sun did shine on the ole dog then !

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I backed it up and watched it a few times. It just appeared that the crew was trying harder to use the scoop to block the camera than to try to diagnose and fix the car. I'm not saying that Edwards is doing anything crazy, but in case like this it would be nice for NHRA to impound the car and check it out. We all know WJ would have more wins than Force if it wasn't for the killer Dodge engine program back in the late 80's and early 90's.

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I know they (tech) went through Brogdons car with a fine tooth comb after the crash and didn't find anything. I can't say Edwards is doing anything wrong it is just Odd the way things went down and the fact he refuses to allow an on board camera during his run and has told ESPN not to film the inside of his car during his burnout or stage.

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Josh was just trying to put the scoop back on. NHRA ususally has them pull the front end off at the back of the staging lanes to fuel them with NHRA's fuel, if there was anything back there it would have been found a long time ago. Mike can't out run anybody a tenth. If you are not actually keeping up with Pro Stock (Most of you evidently are not) you don't know what is happening and should probably keep your ignorant thoughts to yourself.
If you don't know that NHRA has been looking at that car very hard, you have not been around. Mike gets very frequent visits to his pit area from tech officials, same as Anderson did when he was the fast guy.

Mike had less than two HUNDREDTHS on them Sunday. He has never had any of them covered a tenth. Nobody that knows that man would spout this kind of ignorance.

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Floyd....how do you know this ?

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These prostock guys are all very secretive. I've very good friends with Vinnie Deceglie and the Mitsos family-they get their engines from Allen Johnson. When I talk to Vinnie or any of the Mitsos, they come out to the ropes. The Johnsons do not allow people in where the car is. I'm fine with that-those guys have worked hard to develop their power and then to get it to the ground and I understand why they want to keep people away from the car.

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I agree,in the last 10 years alot of teams take turns being dominate and faster then the rest of the field, its called research and development.ive never seen a team 1 tenth faster than the rest of the field,if that did happen red flags would be waving. yes warren did have some brakes i m glad he won.the guy is a icon and a pioneer of prostock.But you guys are a bunch of cry babies and have nothing better to do then talk crap and act like idiots.everytime i look on this stock/superstock forum someone is crying get alife.........Mike edwards has been a contender for awhile and warren has the most wins in prostock you should respect them not bash them,put one of you guys in a prostocker and go race warren than say hes washed up!!!!! my 2 cents!!!!!

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WJ is just like Bob Glidden...they work hard for everything they have gotten...WJ does have 97 National Event wins....both of them have a lot of respect for the Sportman racers...and even been know to help out the little guy! It does take luck...we see it all the time....as they say sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.

As far as Mike goes...his faith in God would not allow him to cheat! His God comes first in his live...always has.

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well said Ed. i think Mike is one of the hardest working guys out there, and has a talented bunch of guys back at the shop too. I think if your on this forumn, and a class racer. i'm sure somewhere in the past when you had found a little something that gave you an edge on your competition. that was perfectly legal. and you worked your butt off testing, or even just paid someone for the latest go fast part. i'm sure you kept it a secret right?

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I can guarantee you one thing. Mike would never cheat. He is too much man for
that. Especially since he is such a good Christian Man representing the
program he does. I have known Mike for 30 years and he would not do that.

S.E.

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My son went to school with a few guys that work at WJ's and trust me the dyno is a 24/7 deal with these guys. There is a constant search for the next 2 to 3 horsepower.

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http://hphotos-sjc1.fbcdn.net/hs307...._5452000_n.jpg

Here is the picture of one of the tech inspectors going through the car.

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I follow Pro Stock very closely as I have a personal interest in one of the cars. Not a sponsorship or investment just a personal interest. Mike has had an average of 6 hun to one tenth better over the averages of the rest of the field in total. (Do the math). You also claim Josh was just trying to put the scoop back on so I am guessing you didn't watch the same media coverage the rest of the world did. I have it recorded if you would like a copy. I never said Mike was cheating I only said some things are odd. So before you start name calling please be sure you know what you are talking about. As far as WJ I am glad he won the race. I have been a fan of his since I was a young kid and miss seeing him in the winners circle.

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considering the intake manifold technology at hand, i don't blame them from trying to keep the cameras off if the car

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I used to think WJ was one of the rudest and arrogant Pro Stock racers ever until I had time to talk to him at the Keystone Big Show in Atlanta a couple of years ago. He's one of the most serious racers at the track and very personable and talkative away from the track. Roy johnson is one of the friendliest engine/crew chiefs in the business at the track and way but still deadly serious about racing.
All these teams spend untold amounts of money and effort and try very hard to keep their hard work and effort within the team. It's hard enough to lose a team member to another team and have that knowledge transferred from team to team. Probably every team pushes the envelope on rules and takes advantage of any or all gray areas(that's racing just like most fast stock, super stock and comp racers do). That's racing and we all know it. Effort is what seperates the cream of the crop from the rest of em. To just blindly call a winner or former winner a cheater without being able to back up your accusations is wrong. JMT.

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So true. Anyone remember when Bob Glidden wrecked, the first thing he did was take his coat off and cover the carbs and intake because the scoop was gone.

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In the interview with Mike's crew chief, he was asked a question on what happened and if they had time to fix it? he said it was a cracked intake, and that if they had 5mins it could be fixed?? what could they have done to fix it in 5mins and be ready to run??

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Mike is a long time friend of mine, nearly 40 years. I know everybody on the crew.
I watched the same thing you did. I have seen that car, scoop both on and off, many, many times. There is nothing hidden. The tech officials have seen it more than I. When they have them fuel the cars at the rear of the staging lanes, the front end comes off right there in front of the tech guys.

If you think Mike has ever had a tenth of them, you may need a new calculator. If he runs a 6.58, and the next car is 6.62, that is .004, it ain't a tenth. They have closed gap that up a lot the last few weeks.

The officials going over Brogdon's car is normal, it did wreck, right? They always do that. They learn something from almost any wreck.

As for the in car cameras, who would want to mess with the camera and theTV guys tripping over things in your pits while trying to race, unless your car ownner or sponsor wanted it for more air time. Jeg's and Summit wanted them in those cars. Do you think everybody's car has Jegs or Summit logos stuck all over the inside? Other than maybe John Force, they get more air time than anybody. When they first put one in Jeggie's car a few years ago (first car to get one) the anouncer called it the "Jeg's in car camera". Summit got them in both cars of Ken Black's next. I was hanging around in Mike's pits, getting in the way on race weekends at that time. Word was then that Jeg's paid for the camera. Don't know that for certain, but it would not surprise me. Smart marketing if they did.

I never called anybody names, I did say some statements were ignorant. They were. A lot of "I heard"s on internet message boards.

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Some epoxy repair.

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1 Mike Edwards, Coweta OK, '09 GXP 6.640 207.82 207.82
55 V. Gaines, Lakewood CO, '10 Avenger 6.686 207.15 207.15

Let's see, I believe that is 16 cars between .046. Pretty quick field.

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#1 Edwards 6.640
#2 Brogdon 6.644
#3 Jeggie 6.647
#4 AJohnson 6.653
#5 Krisher 6.659
#6 Anderson 6.660
#7 Stanfield 6.665
#8 Jones 6.673
#9 J Gray 6.675
#10 S Gray 6.678
#11 KJ 6.681
#12 WJ 6.684
#13 Humphrey 6.685
#14 Enders 6.685
#15 Humphreys 6.685
#16 Gaines 6.686

top 3 separated by .007
final four separated by .001
SIXTEEN car field separated by .046

BUT,
you have to study all the numbers. some cars are work better than others on different ends of the track, so it's not always apples to apples when you compare
Pro Stock is a warground. EVERY HP found is a major deal, find somthing in your chassis that works? you HIDE it from everyone else, thats why wraps that cover the rear of the cars in the pits are now so widely used.
EVERYTHING is sacred in the world of PS

Stock & SS tear down side by side in the barn, wanna see what the next guys over internals look like, just take a peek. Try that with the PS guys & gals and there would be major issues to resolve before the first Dzus button is turned
The PS cars have engine blankets that cover everything but the carbs, so when they roll into the back of the lanes to get fuel the other teams can't see their engine components...once fueld the blanket comes off just as the front end goes on.

I'd invite you guys to come by to see what I mean, but I can't let ya by the ropes....

Thanks to all that called & emailed yesterday after Rodgers crash, appreciate everyone's concern & I passed all the good wishes on to Rodger.
It's nice to see and know how close the racing world "family" really is!

Bob Unkefer
PR & Media, BrogdonRacing.com

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It wouldn't surprise me if it was out of fuel and he rushed to start it and had a lean backfire. They might have one of those small metal burst panels that is there to protect the fragile intakes. That is probably what they could have replaced in 5 min,if they had 5 min. I know they are mandatory on blower and NOS cars. Not sure about Pro Stock.
I have a couple of NOS powered boat customers that use them.
They have saved more than one intake.

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So if one of those cars or any car with a sheet metal intake backfire on start up it most of the time will seperate the upper and lower plenium.What made it backfire could be a buch of reasons. I've seen it be driver error.

The quick fix is silicone and duck tape and it takes less than five to put it on. More than five to find it . Been there

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Quote: If he runs a 6.58, and the next car is 6.62, that is .004

Ed,that would be 4 hun not 4 thou.Otherwise you're correct about the spread from #1 to#16.It's usually 6-7 hundreds.
I wonder if the pro stock guys come here on class racer and read some of the bull$hit
contests that go on here related to S/SS.Don't think so.

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Brain fade, of coure your right. I know it's hundredths, just can't count decimal places. Went to public schools in Oklahoma.
I wish he had a tenth or even a second. Mike is one of my favorite people on the whole planet. Just no tenths between Pro Stocks.

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Josh just didn't seem sure wheather to put it back on right them or wait. There is nothing there to hide. Holley carbs on a CFE intake. Others have the same thing.

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Pro "Stock"...what's "stock" about it??

Name change for this eliminator (to reflect reality) is WAY OVERDUE.

M68

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Just don't watch it.

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It's the only pro class remotely interesting.At least they look like real cars.
Ed,you should see the East coast indoctrination system at work.Some of these
kids couldn't add 2+2 without a calculator and a guidance counselor.

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I did two presentations to a local high school shop class, one with a dirt track car, one with an ET drag car and was told by the shop teacher at the end that it would have been better if I didn't use multiplication and division it it. I asked him how he thought they were going to get jobs if they couldn't do simple multiplication and division. Not sure what was worse, that the school and staff didn't seem to care and treated these kids as expendable or that they were getting paid near 6 figure salaries and didn't care...

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Unk,

That's the same policy that the Johnsons have with the Mountain View Tire Group and I understand both of those policies.

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Bobby,

You are right about the attitude of too many teachers-they don't care about the kids who are not going to college and even some of those who are. Of course your son Franklin is becoming an endangered species-someone who did graduate work in engineering who is not an immigrant or the child of an immigrant. Funny how the only other kid I know who has done that is the son of a drag racer too.

America needs immigrants to do things that Americans consider too dirty or too hard, like picking fruit, cleaning hotel rooms, studying math, studying physics, and studying engineering.