Should Indy be an All Run Field in Stock?
 

Just wanted to start a controversial thread before racing season gets under way for me.
Since it has been pretty much determined that the fastest cars relative to their indexes are not necessarily the "hardest working",but may also be a beneficiary of a "soft" horsepower factor,what would be wrong with running Indy as an All run field?

Even Big Daddy would have qualified if this policy was in effect last year.

(Disclaimer: This is just for discussion only.Don't beat me up too bad! (LOL)

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You left out an important option:
"ALL class winners first then fastest class losers".Oh,I'm sorry that's the way it used to be.
If you substitute your name for Big Daddys I think that would be to your liking.
If you add that option I think I can make an objective vote.
Hey,it's only a discussion.

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That is correct,but do you honestly think that you could qualify too?
Just asking.Just remember that one second under before is only 7 tenths under now.

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See below.

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Right,but I'm not the only one penalised .3 .Everyone else is too.I know better than to go to Indy with my car.Every year it's common knowledge what it might take to make the field.
I know that in that weather my car was MAYBE a .90 under car.So why bother to waste a whole lot of travel money to make 2-3 time shots and then sit it out?
There is no way in hell you'll see an all run field at ANY national event.
BTW I would have to deal with Bob Shaw,Cap't Jack,Brian Philbrick and a few other jet pilots in R or T.

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I will ask the same questions of you that you asked of me.Why are you so slow?
Don't you work on your car?

( I know you have a tough combo to race especially in bad air)
(Just messing with you)

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The correct option isn't listed in the poll.

3) "All Class Winners, plus Low ET Qualifiers, to make 128 car field".

The only way Indy should EVER be all run is if 128, or less, cars show up. Otherwise, it's a glorified National Open with Class run-offs.

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I can qualify and have many times in the past BUT will never go to that dog and pony show again!!!

All you nuts can have it

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Since I have NO dog in that hunt, nobody can accuse me of trying to feather my nest, but with that in mind, I am curious as to what the reason is for disallowing cars that cannot make the 128-car qualified field.

In fact, if it's such an honor to participate because your car is fast enough to hold one of the top 128 slots, using that thinking, why not just revert to the once-protocol and make it a requirement that you win your class to run the Eliminator.

We might find out just how fast some of these cars REALLY are, then. Couldn't have THAT, now, could we????

But, seriously, who does it make uncomfortable to have an "all run" policy in Stock Eliminator at Indy on Labor Day? I knew a guy who wouldn't go because he knew he couldn't qualify, and his car was arguably the quickest car in his divisiion in a VERY popular (lotsa cars) class.

His index was tougher than the others' and he was screwed....

Those people deserve to race if they've spent the money and have the grade points.

Once again, whom does it hurt, if it's an all-run format?

Just askin'....

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[QUOTE=bill dedman;

Those people deserve to race if they've spent the money and have the grade points.

Once again, whom does it hurt, if it's an all-run format?

Just askin'....[/QUOTE]

The people with BIG money and even BIGGER EGO's. They just cant stand it when someone with a .5 or so under car beats them and cry like a baby.

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It doesn't hurt anyone if you don't mind an extra round of eliminations. So, why don't we just give everyone a trophy and call it a day.

It's called competition, and that's why many of us race. There is something special about making the field at Indy. I have enough trouble going two rounds, no less eight. Sure there are plenty of hard-working racers who don't run very far under the index, but anyone can build any combination, so if you want to qualify at Indy build a combo that goes deep under the index, just like Bob Shaw does. That is not a knock on Shaw, he is obviously smart, he likes to qualify well, and he finds combos that allow him to do so.

Evan

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[QUOTE=Mike Carr;180220]The correct option isn't listed in the poll.

3) "All Class Winners, plus Low ET Qualifiers, to make 128 car field".

So the question is, why was this left off of the poll?
It IS the only correct option!
(That is unless you're one of the CJs or DPs that didn't win class! But what the hell, bump out those old pieces of s**t!)

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All run (180 quota) would definitely draw cars that would ordinarily not show up. What is one more round or racing in stock & super stock going to matter when you start qualifying on Wednesday and have to spend 6 days at a track for one race.

If Super Gas isn't filled (which it probably won't be 120/150 quota 2009) then that's where my super stocker will be at (I just need the Shipp bros help with my setup:)). I definitely can't run under enough to qualify in the 128

Heck you can skip Wed and make your one 9.90 hit on Thurs and be ready for the 1st round on Friday. That will save you a little time and money by not having to show up on Tuesday.

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Anybody that wants an all-run field can do that!
Just go to a bracket race!

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I do go bracket racing, it is called Stock Eliminator

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Scales. Fuel check. Heads-up runs. Qualifying. Teardowns. Class Wins. The possibility of being a DNQ. National Records.

I have had runs disallowed due to fuel and weight issues. I've DNQ'd at Indy before (2000). I've torn down for setting National Records. All while racing Stock Eliminator. Never done any of the above while bracket racing. Indexes too. In bracket racing, no one tells you you can't dial slower than (insert ET here--except for class ET breaks). Otherwise, in Stock, I could have run my daily driven 13-14 second '95 Camaro in D/SA and been OK, as long as it met the safety requirements. And in brackets, you don't have people telling you what blocks, heads, transmissions, spec numbers, etc are, and what you have to run, and you can't be DQ'd in Super Pro because of a cylinder head issue.

About the only similarity between Stock and brackets is a two dollar bottle of shoe polish.

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Because anyone like yourself can qualify in footbrake at your local track. Oh wait, thats for everyone!

The fact is that Stock is not for everyone. If you don't strive to improve the performance of your car, then you shouldn't be racing at Indy. That is part of what running stock is all about. It is more than just a bracket race.

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The real question is...

It took -0.900 to make the Indy field last year in both Stock and Super Stock. Even after losing three tenths off the indexes...I'll bet it'll still take -0.900 to make the field this year!! (I guess that was more of a statement, than question)

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Stock is BRacket racing with rules. and if you think it's not the same that would explain why you don't win.
Chip Johnson

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billy...
the only true question was left off the poll because the starter of the thread cant win class or qualify therefore that wasnt an option...

i will never race indy again unless they return to true class competition...
im not whining here, and my car might race and it will qualify (at least until 128 cj's or dp's show up), but that was one rule too damn many to be enhanced for me.

the captain

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If you made indy a all run feild, would be the only way I for one could qualify. But in no way should it be! If that was the case then it would be like just a nother IHRA meet. Not that i have any problem with IHRA. But any one can run! You would take away the whole meaning of indy if it was a all run feild! I do agree with Jack thoe! it SHOULD be a class winners, and then fastest!!!!!!!!!!!!lets try not to compleatley forget about tradition!

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[QUOTE=Billy Nees;180245]Amen Billy! Amen!!!! Jim

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Not necesarily, Chip. I know a few really good bracket/.90 racers that tried Stock/SS, and failed. One friend wouldn't even try it, because "it sounded too hard and complicated". It may be similar, but also has a world of differences. Like Lee said, and so true, "Class Racing isn't for everyone". Thankfully, both exist and each has their option.

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Be sure to vote in the NEW poll!

BTW,I know you can't run with Bob Shaw so class isn't looking too good,and once all of the new cars are completed,I believe you are a DNQ just like me!

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[QUOTE=Billy Nees;180245]I agree Billy but I think it should go one step farther. Only Class Winners. Then we could see some real racing. I guess I started doing this a long time ago when it was a lot more fun. Oh well I can dream.
Clayton

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Mr Wright, that would probably make for the quickest way to even out the soft HP combos...if all Nationals were Class Winners only. However, I guarantee the big ego, big money guys (and cars) would never go for it.

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Bob has us all covered and more.A fact of life.For that reason I'll probably never go to Indy.Unless I hit Power Ball.Then watch out Bob I'm coming after you.:>)

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IF money were no object,what could you do to run with him in your current car?
Didn't he run something like 13.00 in U/SA?

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Of course I'd still keep my car.I'm a diehard AMC guy.I'd just shoot his tires out at the 1/8th.

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Hey 442 Olds, Bob Shaw ran a low 13 something at like at 91 MPH. That really equates to around a 14.30 at that speed. You do the math!

Ron Ortiz
U/SA letting out can you say

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[QUOTE=Clayton Wright;180451]That's how it used to be , class winners only, that should accomplish 2 things -

1. It should eliminate the 1000 racing. ZZZZZZZZ

2. Should make that AHFS work better, since it's 'indy", and everyone should have their "indy" motor in, any factoring that occurs should be legit.

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ok so i read through the whole thread , other than 442 that posted, no one would like to see an all run field , but 34 percent of the people that voted would like to see an all run field, how come that 34 percent has not chimed in and stated their opinion on this subject? just for the record it should only be class winners and quickest qualified up to 128 cars ! it bothers me that people have a sense of entitlement when it come to s/ss qualifing, you either go quick and fast or you do not race! i have been on either side of the fence and when im not fast enough i sit home and work harder on my car to make it go quicker.

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Don't forget also that this poll is posted where non S/SS racers can vote also.It should have been in the registered racer section.I bet there would be a lot less than 34 votes for 128 fastest.

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thanks daryl, i did vote in your new poll...
and if we go back to class winners id be there to try on the big caddy....i got him HP in belle rose last year...just two more hits and he's gonna be ed fernandez's problem in t/sa :)

jack mccarthy

and i did not mean to be rude, i just answered why i thought option "c" wasnt included in your poll... i kinda like you big guy... and your mom's an icon in my book

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Ah Yes, Everyone "deserves" to run. Think about it! Shouldnt there be reasons to work on a car? shouldnt we reward achievement? Should we dumb it down to Bracket racing altogether? Maybe there should be a punishment for having a FAST car and pay the slow cars so they can participate better.....
I agree with the vote better where Racers only should vote.... Us retired guys are obviously for the OLDE days..

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What's "Indy" got to do with it? Stock is a 128-car qualified field at ALL events, even Divisional races. I don't see why Indy should be any different than any other race. And yes, I qualified at the E-Town FMDRS (that dates it right there!) with 141 cars in Stock.

Only Nitro Joe can ladder that many cars. LOL Man, everybody did an incredible job keeping things organized and smooth-running at the US Class Nationals at Byron all those years ago.

Class winner bump-ins are a separate discussion, which we'll leave to another thread.

RE: AHFS factoring... Pffff! I went to Indy a couple years ago, and those were some of the worst and slowest conditions I've ever experienced. If you can tag it at *that* race, you *deserve* some HP!

Just my $.02,

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The quota at the NHRA National Events are lower than 128... Which in essence makes it an all run field.

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I am glad you made this rather negative post because it gave me an idea.INDY is a LONG way away,but the quota is 180 cars.

Here is last year's field:
http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r2009#indextop

Last year,there were 154 entries for a 128 car field.Only 26 did not make it.Others did not attend,because of the uncertainty of whether or not they would qualify.

MOST RACERS DO NOT WANT TO SPEND THE KIND OF MONEY THAT IT TAKES TO GO TO INDY AND NOT QUALIFY!

If some horsepower factors don't change by the time Indy comes around,there might only be 128 cars total.IS THAT AN ACCOMPLISHMENT?

I was one of the fastest 128,out of 128. So what?

RACERS need to work together on issues such as this.I say run EVERYBODY!

Next,the goal for everyone should be to get to 128 or higher,There is enough time to get some sponsors for this.T-shirts,hats,maybe some cash and contingency for being one of the fastest 128 cars at INDY!

I think it would be a sense of accomplishment to be in the top 128 out of 180.
NHRA would make big money off of all of the entry fees,and maybe the racers could benefit too with some contingency postings for qualifying 128 or higher!

And just so people don't think this is my "personal agenda",I will NOT enter Indy to save a spot for somebody else!

Anybody like this idea?

Comments?

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Daryl, You should take some of the runner up money you made last year at the Sports Nats, and work on your car. Or better yet instead of beating the keyboard all day long trying to convince other stock racers to get on board with this BS plan of an all run field, maybe get out and TEST with your car. Maybe your next heads up will be a little closer. Indy should be brought back to the way it was. CLASS WINNERS and then the rest of the quailfied field should given the privlige of racing first round and the most prestigious race on the NHRA circut. If you want to do something for the guys that don't make the 128, give them a free ice cream when qualifiying and class is over. Hey, nobody is having a bad day when they are eating ice cream. :)
Fix Indy back to where is should be. Class winers first. Off the soap box.

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Thanks,thats all I needed to hear.

Somehow,I was hoping to get some racers to stick together and do some things for the common good.You rip me about my car and you race a 455 Pontiac with a 310 or 315 horsepower rating ?That is a &%%$ JOKE!

BTW,

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BYE!