how much do build this to a stocker??
 

I have a 1982 malibu wagon classic(similar to jody langs wagon)..right now it just has a bracket motor small block in it with a glide...im looking to transfer it to a stocker...everything is there such as headlights, all interior etc...

not sure of the best combo for this car( 305 or 350??)

it doesnt have to be the fastest in class, im just not sure of everything i need besides...a motor,metric trans,rear end gears..

what else do i need??


how much can i do this for??

thanks-colton

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A friend of mine runs stock and I asked him what it would take to switch my car over to stock, he told me to fill my trailer completely up with cash and I'd be about ready..........

PS..The trailer is a 44 footer :confused:

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Whenever I build a racecar, I estimate the final cost and present it to my wife and she always says, "Add a thousand". I'm always wrong and she's always right. So listen to the words of a wise woman. I don't know what it's going to cost to build your car, but my wife might. Danny

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colton i built my n/sa 95 mustang start to finish for under 10,000 and it runs under the index,it wont win class but i can still race everbody off dial, and you already have some of the stuff just do as much as you can your self and have some fun

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Colton, which engine do you have now? just buy some pieces for it and run it. you do not need a metric trans and converter, just get a turbo 350 and run it. for getting your feet wet, its all you need. as time goes by, you can put more money in it and continue to build off what you have learned. dont get discouraged, do enough to be legal and come race with us, you'll like it!

Wade

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right now it has a 355 with vortec heads, little bigger cam, with an edelbrock intake..nothing special...im guessing i will fall into M or N stock??

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Colton my first advice would be to get a NHRA Rule book and read it from cover to cover,
and Im not saying this to be a smart -ss.

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i was planning on doing that..just to make sure i do everything right...so about 5000 for a motor, 2000 for a tranny, 600 or 700 for a good carb, 800 for a good convertor, 200 for gears,and shifter for 190...so roughly 9500..plus tires, and good shocks..not bad i guess

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Make some new friends, go to a couple div 4 races and talk with people with small block cars with motors similar to want you need to make you combo fit. There are some very good folks here that will point you in the right direction.

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Have you thought about running some IHRA crate motor stock with the vortec motor you got? You could do that while you're building your other combo?
Chip

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yes actually i have thought about that,,just havent took the time to check

into all the rules..its really a better deal..half the cars for almost the same

money..i bet it would cost half to make it IHRA legal instead of NHRA

legal..im going to do some checking today..if you find any usefull

info on either class i could really use it..

thanks-colton

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Colton

I will be at the IHRA Divisional at Dallas Raceway on March 12 to the 14. You are more than welcome to stop by and hang out with us.

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sounds good..hopefully i will be racing in it!

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Good idea spend the same amount of money on a car that you can only race in IHRA.
The cost to build a small block chevy crate motor and a .30 under nhra stocker are about the same. At least if you build a NHRA car you can run both NHRA and IHRA.

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Chuckie,
The reason I suggested the crate motor is thats basically what he has now. He could get his feet wet while building a crossover combo.
Chip

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I'll vote with you Chip. If he has the iron vortec heads and intake. Look up the crate motor specs on the IHRA website. He'll probably have to change the compression (piston change), call either Bullet or Comp Cams for a cam. Unless you get lucky like I did and find someone with spare parts (got my Ross pistons -new- and a used Comp Cam for the 330hp). Maybe post a wanted add thru the sale forum and maybe look through Racing Junk as well.

Didn't look to see where he's from but he could run combos with this. Maybe an IHRA divisional. Like you said, get his feet wet. Build the car with the mindset of setting it up for NHRA legal stock later. Figure out what NHRA combo you plan to run and start collecting pieces.

Why all the knocks on the IHRA crate combos? I'm no expert on this but the guy can feel free to PM me and I'll help him in any way I can. If I can't get my own car ready, be glad to see someone else make it out.

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im leaning more towards the NHRA stock setup..i would like to hit all

the div.4 races...i could really use some help finding the correct serial

numbers for the block,heads etc(1982 malibu wagon classic)...the nhra site is confusing to me,not
exatcly sure what numbers to look at..i may have found a 305..a fellow racer around here has 2 305s that may work..i just need to get the correct numbers to compare them..he also has a th350 that i can use..may have found a good deal on a q-jet carb, and a convertor also..trying to find a sponsor to help with this deal, but the odds of that are very small..hopefully one of the 305s match,,i would be in pretty good shape if that happened...everybodys help is very appreciated and i can damn sure use every bit of advice anyone can give me..

thanks-colton

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That is one of the single funniest things I have read here.....

And way too accurate......

Like I said the old man throwing money off a tall building would have been cheaper, at least 1/2 way through that he woulda said "Oh ****" and stopped...... lol

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There are other places, but the 2 that have the info I think you are looking for are

http://www.nhra.com/competition/blueprints.aspx

and

of course

http://www.nhra.com/competition/classification.aspx

But there may be more info in the accepted products list (?)

http://www.nhra.com/userfiles/file/N...edProducts.pdf

But I dont see block numbers on the Blueprint guide ? Maybe the SBC dosent matter ? We have them on our guide, but.....well who knows , maybe someone who actually does could shed some light on this.

I have been "told" that block numbers "dont matter" ? But well I was a little leary of that, if thats the case why are they in some cases listed ?

We had talked about sleeving a 6.1 block to the right bore for a 5.7 at one point....(before I realized I had 2 new 5.7 blocks of the "right" number available in my storage :) Guess it pays to be a pack rat.

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here is something to laugh at....i think went 7.81?? very slow lol...

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?**...deoid=45098059

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Colton, go to a div. race coming up in Nhra in your area. Find someone with your combo and do some talking. You'll probably find more info than you can rememeber and maybe some one with some spare parts cheap and role in and be competitve. Then you can build off that and be faster as time and money permit.But race Nhra, Ihra and some Assc. races good luck and have fun. (I agree with Charlie on this) and I think he know's your combo well.

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Colton

I think I have a Alum intake for the 305. Stop by the pits and I will give it to you.

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sounds good...thanks Alan...i will be there on friday or saturday...i will also be at the dallas divisional in april...maybe running super street..i will be sure to try find you guys

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Any gm block, its the head #s that need to be right, intake and carb but the carb number can be diff if the cfm, size of the butterflys are the same and that is listed in the blueprint spec's sheet.

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Thanks Bob, I'm the guy with the 305 parts. Y'all have all given Colton some great advice. He is a good kid and a great new driver that didn't grow up racing in a JR dragster that daddy's money built. This message board is one of my favorites because one can get some pretty decent answers to real question a Stocker newbe might have. And young stocker racers are few and far between. Although I only bracket race now I too was introduced to NHRA stock eliminator by a young man two years my senior working at a Piggly Wiggly store. He built my first 283 stocker motor in exchange for some hand lettering on his O/S wagon. That motor is still in great working order and has all the tricks allowed in the late 1970's. But with his help getting started, I've been racing ever since, and as any first generation racer knows how difficult it can be getting started in class legal racing. BTW, that racer that help me get started was the infamous "Pickles Gapp Flash" Dwight Southerland. Thanks Dwight

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You are 100% right, we all had someone to show us the way. I look forward to meeting this young man at up coming races. If we do not offer help to beginners there will be no one left to race when all of us old farts pass on. Colton already has a sound start and should be ready to kick some of our butts by mid season. I wish him well.

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If i am correct,here are some numbers i found,tell me if it looks right

head casting-14014416,20555

springs- outer w damp

cam lift- 357/390

gasket-.016

manifold-14031391

lifter-1.50 H

head cc-55.00

i may be completely lost

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whitch combo, I will look now

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the manifold and cam match a 305-145 but your head # dose not match, print out the 82 spec sheet and use a ruler to read the lines. Its easy to get crossed up.

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1982 and 1983 malibu wgns are the same. Call it a 1983 because you can both 305 combos.

There are to different 305 combos for a wgn that year.

305ci Flat top piston 253 NHRA HP fits J/SA, K/SA and L/SA
The head you want is 416
Flat top piston
403/415 cam
432 or 055 intake

Combo number two
305ci Dish piston 230 NHRA HP fits M/SA, N/SA and O/SA
Same head as combo #1
Dish piston
357/390 cam
Same intake #'s as combo #1

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Cheatin' Charlie .....Are you sure these are "LEGAL" Piston combos ......Laughing, Bailey

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Colton,
I have what you need. Motor went .70 under in an 85 camaro about 10 yrs. ago. Has about 400 passes in a bracket car. Has 1 416 head & 1 555 head, passed tec. Cam is small, 357/373. Intake is 520 which is wrong for you. 5 cases of miller lite or $100.00 American will get it out of my way. Engine lift not included.
Jim

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wow sounds like a deal to me...when can i come get it?

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Any time 229 377 6495 , leave message.

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jim, i will be giving you call sometime today...i am hoping to come get the motor on the second week of march..it is a 14 hour drive for me which is no big deal...and once again, thank you for everybody that is helping me..i have never meet so many nice people in my life!

thanks-colton

P.S.-and everybody can wish me a happy birthday today im 21!!

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Colton-

Just be careful, if Mr. Cassels gives you any sauces in little jars and you decide to "try them out" while driving back home, make sure your truck is in park!

Tim

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Well I am sure we all wish you a happy birthday and all want to see you get off on the right foot. Others have gotten lost in the rules and never heard from again, so that is why folks offer help.

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Colton,
Don't get too excited about that motor. It went .7 under in a camaro 10 yrs. ago, it was a F.I. motor rated at 230 hp, m/sa then. In your car with a qudrajet it is rated at 254 hp which will be k/sa. As you can see you will have to move up to k which is .2, add aprox 100 lbs which is .1 and NHRA lowered the indexs .3 , so I am sure it would not run the index as it is now. It was running when removed from a Malibu I have but it will need a lot of work. Yours if you wont it.
Jim



PS
Tim you have heard of Montazomas revenge, well that was General Robert E. Lee's revenge. Hope you are doing well. LMAO
Jim

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i plan on completely rebuilding it and buying whatever i might need to make it run decent..

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Jim-

I'm doing just fine and I hope the same for you. I'll never forget that trip to your place, especially the trip back. We stopped at a Mc Donalds for a little health food somewhere north of Georgia. They forgot to give me my ketchup, so my older wiser brother ventured through the bag of tomatoes you gave us and poured some of that stuff that had devils and flames on it, on my burger. After several bites I found myself on the side of the Interstate flushing Monster Energy drinks on my eyes and mouth! Still to date, best tomatoes I have ever had!!

Do you have Greg's email? I misplaced it and haven't chatted with him for some time.

Tim