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Now posted on Lucas site

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Oh well (note sig change from AA/SA to A/SA), it effects everyone the same. Unless you can't run .3 under

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can you post the link someone thanks

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Here is the link:

http://www.nhra.net/content/sportsma...9436&zoneid=85

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The AHFS will impact very few combinations with the new indexs. The HP committees job just got alot easier.

The new Mustangs and Mopars will most likely never see an adjustment.

The proper way to adjust horsepower ratings is to take the average under the index runs of each car/engine combination and average them against each other.

Example: car/engine average for combination X = .95 under index
car/engine average for combination Y = .75 under index

The HP needs to be adjusted for up (raised) for combination X or lowered (decreased) for combination Y.

They aren't reinventing the wheel or performing brain surgery here.

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WOW!! Now I can run all out and not worry about getting too far up the qualifing sheet. LOL!!!

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Or they could've just moved the trigger up .15, which is primarily what they've done. It just won't LOOK like a -1.55 under run on paper next time. :rolleyes: Now guys can race to 1,150'. Maybe they can put a cone out there for that. Congratulations, NHRA, you've accomplished.... um.... something, I guess.

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What about class winners do they still need to run -.50 under to win class?

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I'm just curious, what happens to all the records now ? Do they change, or do they just start from scratch, or will there be all new records ?
I guess this was to even things out , but it seems to me like the sand baggers will be even farther ahead now.
like if you run all out and your a sec. under , you'll be .7 under now , but if you were holding some at a sec. under , now you can run it hard and still be ahead of the game.

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NHRA could have approached the indexes a different way. They could've just made a valve spring pressure rule that would slow everyone up. Make it so that the pressure can't exceed 150 lbs on the seat. But NHRA doesn't want to work for their membership money which means testing pressures of the valve springs.
Casey Miles
248H (Exceptionally/Slow)

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Now Div and Nat open count and alt adjust tracks this will put alot more runs in AHFS. Should of lower the triggers by .3 or more.

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Div. and opens only count if you go fast enough for instant hp. 1.25 under the new indexes.

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I was thinking the same thing. With the lowered indexes, they should dump that rule.

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so basically the cars that haven't been hit with HP have a huge advantage

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I was reading too much into it. Greg is right. Div. and opens only count if you go fast enough for instant hp. 1.25 under the new indexes.

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The way I see it . The fast guys have another .15 to play with. And the people that could just barely run the index, might have trouble in bad air.
But when you think about it taking a second under to get in the program, in the past.
It really doesn't change much
Personally I like the change

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Mickey, all the combinations like the 396's the LT1's the LS1's have high hp ratings while the newer combos will never get hit. I don't really have a problem with the new rules if the combinations are fairly factored. The way it is now is a joke. I can't even run fast enough in my car to get looked at now,and I've got a decent car.

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[QUOTE=quadfather;157537]I'm just curious, what happens to all the records now ? Do they change, or do they just start from scratch, or will there be all new records ?

I guess I don't see how an index change affects anyone's current record ... I would think only HP changes would affect records. I would think that class winners are class winners as long as they run under the new index. To me nothing has changed except for the bad boys now have another .15 hun to play with ... Merry Christmas ..

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Ford must sure give a lot of money to NHRA. Complete joke.

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yup, the ones that bagged got their xmas gift

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One good thing to come out of all this is its only going to take 7 tenths under to get into Indy next year!!!!LOL

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A lot of cars were bagging.I would not be surprised if it still took one second under to get in. Some fast cars were purposely staying home for fear of getting horsepower.

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Uhhhh...yeah thats so much cheaper for racers to implement.

So much easier to enforce

So much better for the valve spring companies

So much more convinient for the racer, so much easier for everyone to implment in a timley fashion.

**** why dont we start using restrictor plates like circle jerks do.

Sorry accross the board spec rule irk me off, I saw this in motorcycle racing, I also saw it abandoned

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the only way this would be fair to everybody is to start from scratch with the HP. This system is about as useful as a screen door on a submarine?

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The only people this really will hurt are the guys who could run -.30 or less! They have just relegated about 20% of the cars to being bracket racers! There will be less and less cars at Divisionals and National Events. Some people can't see what is happening. Jim

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The only ones who'll be effected are those who are .3 under now,which I doubt is 20%.
I think there are very few combos that aren't able to go .3 under now.If so, then a h.p.
reduction request would be warranted and I would think be granted.
The big $$$$ guys will still have the biggest d$%ks in the arena,just like before.
Now that that's been done how about getting them to let the div. tech guys do their jobs
without outside interference.Maybe some semblance of fairness can be made of the
AHFS.

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I may be one of those people who can't run the number. My car has not seen the track for nearly seventeen years and I have no idea where it will be this spring. Should it be the case that I can not run the number within my budget the car will be sold. I will never go bracket racing nor will I put it back on the street.

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what a coincidence just as these new BS rated combos appear the indexes get whacked .3. Have fun with your previous indy class winner run of 1.19 under, now youre .89 under and one of these new BS combos will womp you in the ligths twice go .99 under and laugh in youre face.

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I think you are right Ed O', NHRA just increased the IHRA's car count! Jim

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Thats great for the guys that live where IHRA runs what about the west coast guy's.

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well now N/SA is a 13.00 index....so do N cars now need to have a roll bar? I mean if they run a second under their in the 11's & would need one right?

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Looks like a couple more spaces just opened up for T/S and T/D cars.



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Andy Stone

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And you don't think that is part of the plan? Jim

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Except it wouldn't slow these new mustangs down a bit!

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All sorts of rules will have to be adjusted! I wonder if they thought of this? Jim

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No ,it's 11.49 for those sophisticated , highly tuned bracket cars. 13.15 for those junky ,unsafe Stockers.
Don't give them any more ideas, okay?

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I think most of the guys are missing the point. Dropping the index will eliminate a fair percentage of the Stk and S/S cars. Less cars to scale. Less cars to fuel check. Less people to hire to run the show. More pit space for the faster cars that spectators like to see.

To them it's all about the bottom line.

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Andy Stone

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lets start off by saying merry christmas NHRA. now what the -ell are you thinking giving us (396-375 steel head) 9 h.p. then taking 3 tenths from us? you don't like us i thought we were friends, we have raced together for years. that makes it like you hit us 4 tenths. just because there are a couple of cars (won't say any names but i did'nt buy my computer from him, or fly with the other couple) we all didn't need to get punished did we????? not saying we didn't need maybe 4 but 9 come on. to all the rest out there (not the two cars is was hinting about) have a very merry cristmas & happy new year!!!!!!!!! dont' start yelling how nice these people are they might be the nicest people in the world , i just don't like the fact they just didn't care about the rest of us.

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Andy,I think you'll only lose some fringe racers,looking for something different to do.I don't think the fields will suffer much,at least in Div 1.

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Tony,
I do not agree with what NHRA has done one bit but if you look at it a little different the same guy's you say have done this will also be 3 tenths slower now if you want to look at
that way. We also got some HP added to our combo but it still means the fast guy is in the
same boat. We also will need to add some more HP to make up the difference we were already behind but in your case its 9hp and ours its 5hp regardless of what the hit is
everyone is now taking a .03 hit on the index. Like I said im not for it but I dont think its like getting hit .04 now we all just need to work a little harder to make it up lol.