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I for one am glad that we have DRUG TESTING. If any one at INDY feels bad about having to go, I am the one.. I lost a motor and while puting the car in the trailer I was handed a DRUG TEST. I sign and told the lady why not kick a guy while down but told her I had no problem to go and have a test.

Great that NHRA suspended a Pro Stock Motorcycle rider "BECAUSE" HE did not show UP FOR THE test.. HE HAD 24 hours TO SHOW UP.


CLERMONT, Ind. - Pro Stock Motorcycle rider Matt Guidera has been disqualified from this event and suspended for a period of one year it was announced today by NHRA officials.
Guidera failed to comply with the NHRA's drug testing policy within the required 24-hour time period.

NHRA drivers have 24 hours from the time they receive the drug testing paperwork from the testing lab to comply with the policy during the drug testing process.

Guidera will retain his points in the NHRA Full Throttle Countdown to the Championship.

Per the NHRA rulebook, Guidera is entitled to an appeal.

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Why not have a DRUG & ALCOHOL test for the suits in the IVORY TOWER in Glendora,Cal ??
And double those with known DWI's........:-)

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Bobby, you better hope they don't test for Crown.

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I had to do drug testing at Pomona a few years ago. Very professional, took about 15 minutes out of my day, no big deal at all. I, too, am glad it's being done. People you would never suspect use drugs on a recrational basis and I don't want them on the track next to me. It is my understanding that NHRA officials are randomly checked, too. And, if my memory is right, Compton's DUI was on his private time. You think there aren't NHRA-licensed drivers out there that don't have a DUI on their record? I know some that do. People make mistakes; hopefully they learn from them before they harm someone.

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Working for a group that looked into and started a "Drug testing program" according to guidelines that go with the implementation of any program you can not single out anyone in the " business, corporation,etc...for testing OR EXCLUDE anyone from testing from the top to the bottom of said group..... there are laws that cover these programs so if the racers are the only ones being given random tests this breaks the laws of the monitored programs because the drug testing program of the NHRA also includes "all the officials of NHRA"......if you are seeking employment with a company that has the drug program as part of the employing process that is NOT random and has different guidelines......the one thing that I wondered is why they don't always ask to see your current drivers license when you register or show up at the gates at the event, if you are under state license suspension for any reason you don't have a current drivers license and technically not allowed to compete at an event.....

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I remember when Reagan was President and pushing for drug testing. My response was, I'll take a drug test if he takes an economics test (that's what I teach) and which ever one of us passes gets to keep his job. I wasn't worried about losing mine. BTW, I'm still in favor of applying this policy to any President.

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Great post, and I would agree.

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Oh my dear julie

what in the world are you thinking? (private time),,, do you mean he can do anything he wants to do on his (private time)??? MAYBE IN THE LAND OF THE FRUITS AND NUTS .

You can do anything you want to as long as its with in the law!!!!!!!! On your (private time) is that what your saying???? ..... I agree, but when you drink and drive nowdays,( was he thinking,) say look at me, they wont get me,im the prez. Of NHRA. they cant do anything to me.. If that was what he was thinking? Then we have a problem!!! HE IS NOT ABOVE THE LAW.....

1.Did he jump thought all of the hoops after the DUI??
2. What was his blood alcohol level??
3.Was he on any thing else???

As NHRA members do we get those answers??? NHRA wants to know all about our lives!!!

.im surprised that you race at all coming from the land of the whackos out there.........
(whats good for the goose is good for the gander)
ya ok, it is good for all of us,but from the top to the bottom...
End of story..........

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Unfortunately he got a DUI...not a smart move. Did I say he was above the law? Nope and I hope he had to live within the rules of the situation. I do not condone driving and drinking, I think people are stupid to drive after even one beer. I believe it was an embarassment to an organization that is "dedicated to safety". I also believe that his DUI has no more bearing on the members of the organization than the guy pitted next to us or a Safety Safari worker with a DUI on his driving record. Last I checked we weren't required to divulge any of this stuff to NHRA either. But what do I know...I live in the land of the whackos.

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An IN HOUSE drug testing program testing the SUITS and finding a drug user ??
I don't think so......a BIG WHITEWWASH and 'swept under the carpet".......
OR GET FIRED from your drug testing job....!

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If you have a NHRA drivers licenses, there is a spot that asks if you have had a DUI

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Where do you see that? Perhaps I'm getting blind in my old age but I don't see that question on the paperwork.

The license renewal form asks for current drivers license and renewal date. What happens if you "lose" your license between NHRA renewal dates? I've never been asked to show my current drivers license at an event, only my competition license and membership card.

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If you do not have a valid drivers license you are not allowed to have an NHRA license.

I think you are on your "honor" to let NHRA know if you loose your license.

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"Honor system"?? ........ that is a hoot!!
I guess we don't NEED to tear down people then??................ hey ..I "promise" it's legal!!

lol

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Couple questions

so how does nhra pick someone to be drug tested? is it Radom or can someone point the finger at someone and have them tested?


if you get a DUI and loose you license but you have a permit to drive to and from work can you still race at NHRA events?

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Nice to see how you already condemned him. In the interview with him today he claimed he had shown up in time... just wasn't able to "produce" sufficient volume in the cup. Big difference between not showing up and this I feel. Should be interesting to see if he wins his appeal. That said, it's a good thing to have the random testing.

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He can CLAIM anything he wants but the fact remains he did not do a drug test within the prescribed 24 hours. He needs to take responsibility for his own inactions.

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If we as sportsman racers must follow the rules then all Pro's should have to do the same. I did not condemned him I just copied what was printed on Drag Central per NHRA.

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At the track yesterday it was 85 degrees my two kids were racing Jr's. I drank 4 32oz bottles of gatorade, a few diet drinks and some water. I pee'd one time from 1pm til 9pm I would hate to think I got tossed for not producing enough on a hot day when we are dehydrated. If that is true, and he didnt produce enough its sad. If I was him I would want the results posted if possible.

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Random testing. I believe I can remember it starting back in the early 90's. I ran Super Comp and a little Comp Eliminator back then. Never was selected, but knew others that were.

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It seems alot of the competitors that get tested now , where tested before. Talked to Scotty Richardson at Columbus a few years ago and he had been tested 17 times and his next comment was John Force has never been tested.Seem funny they go after the ones they tested before and passed.Makes them NHRA look good

Hammer

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I always believed that the testing was random - ( and still do ) - but then a few years ago I was picked two years in a row at the Keystones - one would think the odds are better to win the lottery...................Hmmmmmmm .

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At Bonneville i drank several gallons of various water, Coke, Powerade and beer and never had to pee. And that isn't while wearing motorcycle leathers or working on a bike either.

So NHRA is saying if you can't go you gotta go. :)

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You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure he was gaming the system waiting till the last minute. I've personally seen people do it, usually trying to water flush marijuana. If you are picked, and you don't take it seriously, you pay the price. My money is on him losing any apeal. He knew exactly what he was doing. I've been picked one time, and I carried my butt to the test trailer and got it done. We are all safer if these programs are kept in force, and the penalties swift,sure, and severe.

RIP

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I was tested twice, first I believe was '98, then again in '03 when I was running S/G. Its no big deal,you go to the trailer, they give you a breathalizer, and take a urine sample.

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My son was tested in Denver and I was in Vegas last year. I was given all the water I needed to drink and all the time I needed to produce the needed sample! The people were polite,professional, and patient. :)

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NO JUDGEMENT HERE But...Weed will stay in your system up to 30 days depending on your level of use. You can not flush it out with fluids. You can go to GNC, buy a product that may mask the test but is not 100% fool proof. If you levels are that high you may want to seek treatment. You liver will process alcohol at a rate of APPROXIMATELY 1 drink per hour. You can flush some of it out with fluids but the liver can only proces so much at a time.

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I don't have a rule book handy, but I think the random drug testing policy applies to both racers and NHRA officials and employees. If this is true has anyone known of a NHRA official being randomly picked to submit to the drug test?




Hey Dan Moore, you're #1. :D

RIP Mark Graham

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Most of the tests now also look for masking agents/cleansers. Those things make a test sample "too clean" and the tests will show it.

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I seem to recall talking about this when a friend was pulled for the test and a safety safari guy said he's been pulled for testing

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Thanks for answering that question for me. I wasn't trying to point fingers or anything like that, but I had never heard of a official being pulled for testing.




Hey Dan Moore, you're #1. :D

RIP Mark Graham

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A few years back Ed got pulled for testing 3 races in a row. ( he has very long hair, perhaps not so random). He says he doesn't mind, nothing for him to worry about and only 15 minutes out of his day ... and a good safety measure.

Are you one of the guys: smoking pot in the woods, who live on pain pills, get so drunk the night before a race that you were still stumbling right before competition? Do I need to apologize if I don't want you lined up against my husband?

BTW. I don't care how hot it is, if you don't pee in 24 hours something is very very wrong. Get to the first aid station fast. (Yeah, the drug test gives you 24 hours to produce, So, don't wait until the last minute!)

"I decided to wait until the last minute, 'til the 23rd hour. I wasn't prepared to produce a sample -- an adequate sample,'' Guidera continued. " I was more than willing to but it just wasn't happening." quoting Matt Guidera

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[QUOTE=Joe Pinkston;I wasn't trying to point fingers or anything like that, but I had never heard of a official being pulled for testing.



Maybe thats how all of the bogus cylinder heads and intake manifolds have gotten thru tear down all of these years.....LOL. Just Kidding.

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Honor and NHRA. Thats probably not the best combination of words.

As far as loosing your state issued drivers license, I'm not sure if NHRA has a stance on this matter. 20+ years ago at Gainesville, Bracket racer A had knowlege that Bracket racer B had his license suspended for having too many speeding tickets in a given amount of time (I was not either A or B). Bracket racer A pointed this out to a track official and asked if it was legal for him to be racing while his state issued drivers license was suspended. The official refered them to then track manager Bob Moore. Bob told them that Racer B's issues with the state of Florida DMV wasn't any concern of his or the track. If the racer was capable of holding a drivers license (legal age, etc.), then that's all he was concerned about.




Hey Dan Moore, you're #1. :D

RIP Mark Graham

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To bracket race at RT66 you have to produce a valid driver's license, your d/l number has to be on the tech card.

I was bounced at Coles County 20 years ago because my work permit had no hours on it for Saturday or Sunday.

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The drug test selection process is handled by an "Independant Drug Program Administrater"....this is usually a company that is hired and totally "independant" from NHRA...this is to take the favoritism from the process but still we all wonder how it is done.....also it states specifically in the rulebook that you MUST have a valid state or government issued drivers license to compete...no learners permit will be accepted, the only exception is obviously JR's...no if's and's or but's...so if your license is suspended for any reason it must be returned to the DMV until you serve your suspension, it is considered no longer valid until it is returned to your posession......no license?...no driving, that simple....

D.L.Rambo.....

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magnumv8;

That may be the proceedure in Pa., but here in Fla the last I remember the state will send you a notice that your license has been suspended, but you do not necessarily hand over your license, unless it is taken by a law enforcement officer. I know my brother had his license suspended several years ago because of a lapse in insurance coverage on his vehicle, and his license was not taken until he was involved in a accident and the officer ran a check on his license.

Now about the "Independant" company that handles the drug testing at NHRA events. I really doubt they are doing this for free out of the goodness of their hearts. They must be paid for this service by someone. Maybe NHRA? I'm not making any accusations here, but I am reminded of the fact that a dog rarely bites the hand that feeds him.

Honestly, I'm not trying to stir up any controversy here. I have learned alot by reading the responses from everyone, like Shelly telling us how Ed got chosen for testing at 3 races in a row, and Michelle telling us about the Safety Safarri member that was called in for testing. The responses have been very interesting and eye-opening.




Hey Dan Moore, you're #1. :D

RIP Mark Graham

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Hey Joe....


All states are pretty much the same as for the procedure....you are sent a letter telling you of your suspension and in the fine print they request you to "surrender" your license (mail it to the DMV)...if you don't you get lost in the shuffle and you are on your honor until you get caught or they do a back check and find out you didn't do it....you read it in the papers all over the country people getting involved in accidents that are driving under a suspended license...it is a good way to lose everything you may ever own ( I have a judgement against a suspended driver for hitting a vehicle I owned)....it comes out of your pocket since insurance will not cover you....can you imagine the liability NHRA would face if a driver at an event "accidently" hit a spectator and killed them in the pit area and they find out he was under a suspended license?....especially when the rulebook is so specific about having a license to compete.....everyone knows "stuff" happens,but if you have rules you need to come up with a way to properly enforce them.....

Yes,the drug testing must be handled by an outside group in order for it to be done properly and technically without bias, since it must be done in a "controlled" procedure from sample to testing to avoid contamination or sample mix-ups...now this all changes once a positive test comes back, you will never be a random test again, you would have to supply a sample whenever they decided to ask you for one(rulebook specific again) .....


D.L.Rambo

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the pro motor cycle driver that was suspended that said their was not enough to test,i have barly covered the bottom of the cup in a lab and it was tested,they do not need much and they find everything with the tech. today

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dont bogart that joint my friend pass it over to me

yes im that old