Thanks Findell, Mosbek, and Wann for the Hp!
Well since I have been racing in stock eliminator (4 years) myself, Mr.Jerry Davis and The Cottens have been very careful to protect our combinaton. When I bought the car my dad and I weighed all the factors out and the 340 Duster was the best combination to do what we set out to do; go fast, win and eventually win class at Indy. Well, now in my fourth season we are still constantly watching out and protecting the combination. For example, this year at the Cajun Sports Nationals I let out at the 1/8 mile and gave up class because I didn't want hp on the combo. I know everyone wants to win class at Indy, but to go out and blatantly hammer the index with three different cars is just braindead. I know I went out there last year and hit the 1.15 at Indy, but if you notice Jerry Davis didn't even go to Indy last year because he knew we would get hp! Oh, and don't forget Mr. Mike Cotten who took a DIVE in the 2nd round of class to protect it! Pretty smart huh? We have all been racing in Division 4 for 4 years and can all easily go 1.15 under any time any place, and still to this day we haven't earned any hp on our combo. Why? Because we play it smart when we need to. I guess everyone there just got caught up in the "I'm faster than you are" and "mine is bigger than yours" game and had to show their *****. Well hope ya'll plan on working this winter to overcome the 7hp were gonna get. Unless you can play it smart and hit a few national events to lower the average. Then we will only get 4hp, which quite frankly won't slow me down a bit. I watched Wann do it last year with the 360 combo after he got hit...........Oh, and we skipped Indy this year so we can go to Las Vegas and show everyone how fast our car really is.........Without getting hp! ;)
P.S. I hate ranting on the Internet, but I don't have any of your numbers to call. So if you wanna chat you can call me any time. (936)672-7867 David Buckner 4772 Stk |
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welcome...to the real world, and real racing, isn't that what it is all about
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Its because of guys like you and those who race like you in todays 1 + under stock eliminator fields is one reason that the AHFS dosent work as originaly intended.
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No offense, but if everybody can go 1.15 under with that combo, then shouldn't it get hp?
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well not everybody can run that fast anyway so when it gets horsepower the fast guys will not see a real loss but us slower guys see it. well i was looking for a rason to build a different combo know i have one. for sale a good slow 9 under car.
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Indy 2008
David Buckner 1st Rd Class 10.767 - 1.233 Under E/SA index Final of Class 10.763 - 1.237 Under E/SA index Thanks for your concern David. James Findell # 9 F/SA |
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As long as their cars are legal (pass tech),I congratulate them on their efforts,for racing ALL OUT! |
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It's not like that combination doesn't need it...
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Hey Runt you guys probably won't get any HP, even though you need about 15. The way the AHFS works (make that doesn't work), you'll probably get 4 hp off. I agree with you that protecting one's HP rating is smart, but even you and your Dad (biggest BS'r I know besides me) have to admit you were living on borrowed time. Findell's car is bad fast and I speak from personal experience. So are Mr Wanns and Mr Mosbecks.
I know that you are upset, but your just gonna have to spend some more of Daddy's money to make up for the the 7 hp you are going to get for your Birthday. Hey, it really couldn't happen to a nicer person in my opinion LOL. Just kidding. I was really wanting you to go to Indy and really put on a show, but I guess my prayers were answered anyway. Man I love this. Can't wait till I see you guys. Hey if you need some lead weight I've got about 250 lbs laying around the shop. You guys going to Belle Rose? Your Friendly Ford Bud R J Sledge My cell is 210-373-4004 if you need someone to talk you though this tough time. The Lord certainly does work in mysterious ways. |
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I know I watched today on dragracecentral and thanked my stars that no one had a small block Nova on the complex.
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Good stuff RJ nothing like showing your love :)
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Anyone who admits to throwing a race in public.....well are you really a racer. Terry your right this is why it doesnt work. I would never throw a race for anyone or my combo PERIOD.
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Whatever happened to "race to the stripe"?
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Well i run a E/SA Fairlane and i would not stand a chance against there combo. I hope NHRA will pay close attention to these posts. The numbers speak for them selves.
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I really don't think that NHRA will add any HP to the Combo,they should, but it sure seems strange that the same motors in a Challenger and Cuda are rated at 10 HP more (299). They know the potential that this Combo has, it has taken a situation like this to cement it. And as Mr Buckner has stated, "4 HP won't slow me down any", sounds like he's not afraid of anybody including the HP Factor Committee.
My hat is off to everyone that runs their cars flat out for Class. Thats really what its all about, isn't it?? And there's not a better place to do it than the US Nationals. RJ |
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RJ the real issue is who's the biggest bs'er you or Ray. In that regard I would have to say it's a dead heat.
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The E bodies are rated at more HP because of a run made at Pomona with a motor that couldn't have passed even west coast tech.
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I can't even fathom the thought of giving up a class win to save horsepower. Anybody that does this needs to ask themselves, what are they racing for? Personally, I think they need to find a new hobby.
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NHRA has a class for the Hemis in SS . Maybe they should give the small block Chrysler guys their own classes in stock so they could just beat up on each other.
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The E Body 299 HP was a result of a 1.40 under in Div 1 a few years back.
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Back in 1981 I was at Indy, that is when my car was very competitive, it was just a couple of hundreds off the record. Well all the Mopar's with the small block combo made the field at Indy and NHRA did nothing about even to this day. I took my car apart and put it back to driving on the street because of that experience. Since that time that combo has been protected, they need more then just 7 HP, they should carry at least what my engine is, which is 19 HP from the factory rating. (1969 Z/28 Camaro) BTW, that is one reason for mufflers on the car now, it's not as much work to just roll the car off the trailer and take it for a cruise and enjoy it.
Also, the lifting at the 1000 feet is one good reason that manufactures don't want to sponcer class racing. Lifting doesn't show that their products help the performance of the vehicles that the product was targeted for even if the product does. Casey Miles 248H |
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The thing to do is lower AHFS to 1.00 under but do it August 15th next year. This crap will sort itself out real quick.
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My combination got 3 HP before I even had the car finished! At least you got to race your car awhile before it got hit, and the cars that got you hit will, most likely, be torn down. That is what class racing is about,...going FAST! (just not too fast) LOL
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So why did the Challanger get horse power and the Duster didnt? The NHRA rule shows the same wheel base and the same engine combo. Are the shipping weights different?
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I believe a certain orange Cuda without its normal driver was responsible for some of the HP. E bodies and A bodies are different cars.
David is Jerry bringing his car also? |
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Well first and foremost I would like to apologize to anyone I offended; including, James Findell, Tim Mosbek, and Steve Wann and Mark. I realize now that I let my emotions overcome my usually good judgement. When i found out yesterday what happened i just got on here and started ranting on without thinking what i was really saying. We all do it because we are all human and make mistakes. It's the ability to stand up and admit when you were wrong, is what sets us apart. I started off saying I have been in this for 4 years which shows that I still have a lot of growing and learning to do if I plan on gaining others respect, and racing at the level I plan on achieving. I appreciate everyones feedback, which has made me realize my mistakes. I am usually a very humble person, and I am very grateful that I get to race and compete at the level that we are at today. I know most of you have never met me, but those of who have know my father and I are serious racers and most importantly have a lot of fun just being there. I have met all three racers I mentioned and each one of them are good smart racers, hell James Findell even beat me last year in Topeka, and don't get me started with Steve Wann, he's handed me a few too. Point is I didn't mean to put anyones reputation or integrity in jeopardy. The way we race our car is our decision, and we have to live with the consequences of that.
On a lighter note i would like to congratulate Paula Cotten and James Findell on their Indy class win. It takes a lot of work to get those! And for Mr.Sledge I have told you time and time again no one can B.S quite like you can. My dad runs a close 2nd though.:D |
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That 1 run at Pomona was one run of many by that car in many locations. That West Coast Car went to INDY, Las Vegas, Pheonix, Boise, Pomona,Denver. For such a bogus piece we sure hid it well. It was torn down 5 different times and was bounced 1 time because they did not like the way the Head looked. It measured to spec if you remember and it should also be noted Rod, as you know they were comparing parts to another 340 car at the same time. How many times does that happen?
This same thing happened to us at pomona years before we were 1 of 2 cars torn down and they both were 340 dusters. We showed up and they would not take parts until the others were there as well. We were not bounced that time as our competitor was for camshaft i believe. Hartzler's car was the one that went 1.40 under and God Bless him for it as it gives all others a number to shoot for. |
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Your last post was much better, Mr. Buckner, it takes a man to be humble and admit a mistake! You da' man!
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This is my first post, i usually keep my mouth shut on these subjects. I know David was upset about what happened to him, but it happens to all of us. Heck it just happened to me! How would u feel if an egotistical idiot built your combo JUST TO GET IT HIT WITH HP!!!???? I dont think Findell, Mosbek, or Wann's intent was malicious. They were just doin what they had to. It's never fun to get hit with HP though. But as far as losing on purpose in class, ive shut my car off a few times to not get HP. Sometimes its better to think long-term not short-term. So i dont blame him for it. I race to win the event...not class. Its hard to win a heads up 3rd round or so if you are constantly gettin hit with HP. By the way D-Buck, you did deserve the HP. Now you'll only be #1 qualifier by a tenth!!;)
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Well, Austin, I got hit with 3 hp on my "283" and I was slow to begin with! Such is life!
I will find out on Sat if a fresh motor and trans are going to help! I sure hope so. #5457 Curt Rees |
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Good post, Buck -- that says it all. Your car(s) are really awesome, and you'll rise back to the top. Maybe I'll get to see y'all down the road again one of these years.
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Looks like a whole lot of hp to go around to a lot of folks if they follow suit. Me included.
Could there be much truth in the rumors that they are getting ready to scrap this AHFS? 45 cars faster than 1.15 under. |
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Ive been good this week here at Indy and havent started nothing on the board, BUT i have to reply to Austins post. If your talking about the "egotistical idiot" Bill Hawk (who recently got YOURS and HIS combo HP) you need to know some of the facts. About 2 years ago NHRA came up with the "hawk rule" which wouldnt let him run A/SA. The only way that he could get into A was to put the cast iron 390 heads on the car and get hp to move it up a class. Well, he located a set of heads had them prepped and then went out and purposely got the combo hit. This is what allowed him to run A, at Maple Grove. When we got here we talked it over and figured it was going to take a 9:80 in A/SA to win class. When he built his car it was a D/SA car so it has a 8pt roll bar only no cage. In tech both Travis and Bruce told him if he ran A and went into the 9's that he would be asked to leave the event and not come back till he had a cage in the car. So he just said he would run B. Now if he can go 10:00's in B and 9:80's in A (which i was there when he went faster in B trim) why cant your car? Do you not spend any money on it? Do you not work on it? Billy spends money and we actually work on the car. Almost every week we go and test to see what works and what doesnt. If all you care about is winning the event not class maybe you should take to your local bracket track and try to win the track championship.
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Lil Duane, I know all about Hawk and why he is doing what he is. Ive known Bill for a while and "thought" we were friends. Im not just ranting about something i dont know. You DONT know why Hawk is fast...but i do! Without getting into details, lets just say im not willing to do what he does to go that fast. But if you ask people that know me they'll tell you that i am still fast, i never said i wasnt. I just think getting a class hit to run a is B.S! If you wanna run A, build a car that runs a. And if your trying to insult me by suggesting i run for a "track champ" you did a bad job! I think if you look at the standing over the last couple years, my name is WAY ahead of yours. Maybe your the one that should try to win at a local track. P.S. You ever been to Chicago to race in the ALLSTAR race...i have, its fun;)
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Sorry i dont race NHRA, IHRA is it for me basically...I know ALOT more about Hawks car then you think and i know what makes the car fast, work, MORGAN, and money. Seems your lacking all three. You claim how fast you are, then getting hp shouldnt really hurt you right? I mean when Billy got hp for the combo he was still 85 pounds heavy. The all star race you talked about...isnt that a bracket race? Thats what i thought. Oh, i forgot to mention the one year i chased points i finished 11th in IHRA. So whats your point there?
If your saying theres something wrong with Billys stuff i know for a fact he has been to tear down 136 times oil pan has been off his cars 30 times and the piston and rod has been out 15 plus times i dont know of any other stocker that has been inspected that many times. So what your saying is NHRA doesnt know how to do there job....?.....if you know something they dont.... |
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Look Lil Duane, I never meant to start anything with you, or Bill for that matter. I dont hate Bill, but EVERYONE knows he has an ego, its shown alot. But he is a very charismatic guy! But I think youre barkin up the wrong tree bud. YOU have no right to accuse me of not working on my car! Ill tell you what, how bout you ask ANY D4 racer about me and see what they say. Heck ask any racer at all that knows me and see what they say. You questioning my work ethic is bogus, you dont know me. If you wanna find out about me, my money, my work ethic, ask Larry Hill, Cummings, Emmons, Fletcher, Peter Biondo or any of the other GREAT racers up in Indy. Ive made it a point to race with honor and sportsmanship, thats why the Hawk thing struck a nerve! Im done with you and this conversation. Good luck this weekend, and congrats on your ONE good season in NHRA, oh wait i mean...IHRA:D
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I was just browsing through the class runoffs on Drag Race Central. Seems like a lot of guys gave up the stripe and horked a sure class win for some reason or another.
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dear duane
I know Austin Ford very well, him and David Buckner are two very close friends of mine. Both of them are very nice and helpful people. Austin has helped me with my driving techniques and so has David some. Him and his family are very good people. You couldnt ask for anything more. I Know for a fact that Austin is a very good racer and a hell of a sportsman. Him and his father both are the brains behind the car. That car has been around for a long time along with the Ford family, ask anyone. I know that his car can pass tech anytime if asked to tear down by Mr Roberson or any of the tech personnel. I can say this anytime you feel froggy and wanna try to run against Austin, you will have your hands full, I know that from hands on experience. Try running class against him at Belle Rose, that would be very interesting and I have a feel who would win. PS Dont try to out drink them, I couldn't do it and have the dragon t-shirt to prove it. HOpe your dad has a healthy safe recovery and your family will be in our prayers Austin. |
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