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In Class runs does the fastest qualifier up to that point get the bye or do the competitors flip coins or use another way to determine the bye? Once the first bye is determined does it follow the the same pattern until at least all competitors have had at least one bye?

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Larry, I laugh about this at every class race. If we have 16 A/SA at Indy... #1 runs #16... #2 runs #15... #3 runs #14... #4 runs #13 etc. Thats the way it should be with every class. If I wanted to play cards or flip coins, I'd save money, (a lot of money) and go to the casino. ( sure would stop 1000' shutoffs, wouldn't it !)LMAO, Oh, BTY, if there's 15 cars...#1 gets the first bye. JB.

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Been to a few of these over the years and never seen anybody totally happy until I brought out the playing cards with pairs and a joker for the bye if needed.
Jim, I'm sorry, but it ain't the way it used to be anymore. Sometimes a slower car gets to play a little longer in Class than before and I reckon that's cool. BTW, if you've had a previous pick for a bye you do not get to play the bye again.

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Bernie: That's why they call us sportsmen, because we refuse to act and race like the pros. JB.

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we all know that there is no set procedure, but clearly there should be. It can and has been coins, cards, numbers out of the hat, and yes, even a ladder based on qualifying. It seems as though its different every single time, and if one player demands a coin flip for the bye, the others must acquiesce.

I would think this should be an easy enough action item for us to address. It seems only fair that the fast car gets the bye, and if a sportsman ladder is applied, who can bitch? Oh, wait...I forgot the audience in question...

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At Belle Rose for Top Stock, we drew pairs of cards. But I guess I will have to get another deck of cards because Floyd Russo crumpled up and threw away the card!!

Patsy

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And once again, Dan Fletcher proves he is truly a Professional Racer !

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They had class at the IHRA Nothern Nationals, even though there are so many different classes and a lot of singles, the IHRA officals take the time to pair up cars (trucks) in each class and give the bye to the fastest qualifier. I agree with Jim, Dan and IHRA, this is how it should be done. Why should class run offs be any different than the eliminator? We do qualify for the eliminator and are paired by how we qualify ...

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I would like to see low qualifier get the bye, but at least NHRA should make a rule about this so we could do it the same every time.

At Indy a few years ago the racers in my class voted to flip a coin first round which we did, then a remaining racer insisted on using low qualifier for second round when he thought he was lowest left, then after finding out I was lower because of the first round run changed his mind again saying we have to do it the same as first round and flip a coin again.

Thanks Jerry

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In the older days NHRA would have a number wrote down on every class that had uneven cars in them.. What ever number it was ex.[ "3 " in 11 car field] 3rd car in line would get the bye.. NO one knew who it was until you pulled out of staging lane heading to the line. There was no flipping or pullings cards.

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#1qualifier of each class only applies to the first round and he or she should get the bye run. Flipping coins, drawing numbers, etc. should be used thereafter. But no more bye runs for #1. This procedure was explained to me by a Division Director at the Jegs Sport Nationals a few years ago. Sounds reasonable.

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And, he is absolutely correct!! Class should be laddered, and the fastest car should always get the bye, and the two fastest should not have to race until last round. If not, the two fastest cars could easily have to run each other first round. Has happened to me more than once.

That only seems right to the slower guys. :D

Flipping coins and pulling cards is only fitting for the local bracket racing.

Class should be about who is fast. Some people still care. The guys that choose to sit back and not constantly test and work on their combinations still get to do their beloved bracket racing in eliminations. And pray they don't have a heads up.

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Ed shouldnt your second to the last sentence say"those of you cant aford to pay $35,000 for a motor and $10,000 for a trany will have to worry about the possibility of a heads up run."

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Guys out at Indy, the night before class eliminations I would be more then happy to do ladders, please come down and see me at the lounge.
I have a printer and everything needed to do it.
Joe

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I don't and won't have a dog in this fight,but the next question will be: SPORTSMAN LADDER or PRO LADDER?

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Sounds great Joe.....but for instance...SS/DA has 3 cars...If we happen to be the quickest we should get the bye in the 1st round of class....With the fact that I'm not really sure how many fast runs you have to make to get HP....its a big deal....2 at the same event?....2 at 2 events??? How does it work...for sure....

Maybe Travis or Bruce can answer this one....

Rock

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a $35000 motor may not be enough to win class at Indy..

Stay below 1.15 and I think you'll be alright there Rock :)

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Shouldn't the fastest car win class? Barring an agreement to race to 1000 ft. how else are you going to be the fastest and still not run the 1.15 under or more? Of course this doesn't apply to all classes. Seems like alot of confusion on exactly how the AHFS works, I've seen explanations in print but I think you have to be a Lawyer to understand it. For me at least maybe a laymens explanation. Almost looks like the Comp deal where you may have to sacrifice some to get the win, question is who wants it the most? Joe

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If you can run 1.3 or 1.4 under at Indy in the usual conditions they get there. You can handle some HP... or index.

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I build my own engines, don't have $35,000.00 in my whole car. Ask anybody that has seen it. I love heads up. Don't win them all, but love them.

Other question: Both ladders are fine with me, I don't care. Probably Sportsman ladder, since that is what we run from in eliminations.

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If anyone pays 35k for a stocker motor they got hosed big time. What do they say about a fool and their money?

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I also think the fastest car, or truck, should get the bye....but I've run into the fastest car, at least in time trials, not wanting the bye!!! So, if that's the case, with 3 cars you flip coins and the odd man gets the bye. Four or more cars, you pull cards and match up that way! Very easy!

Any odd number of cars, the fastest should get the bye.

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$35,000 stocker engine ... WOW .. must be a Hemi .. $10,000 tranny ... must be made of titanium ..

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Yep.

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always a sportsman ladder and if its 3 cars the fastest gets the bye and the other 2 race to see who gets him.
Remember also with making a ladder if someone breaks in eliminations and there is already a bye run in that round on the ladder NHRA will NOT let 2 byes run, we would have to make a new ladder or make both the byes run each other.

I've been down this road with the hemi deal and they are the only ones allowed to get away with this cause of the "Shootout" deal.

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In a 17 car field the #1 gets two byes (first round and semi final) if he is still in.

I believe class should be set up in a pro ladder. Why? Because it keeps the other cars from qualifing at the bottom so they keep from running the fastest car.

Greg Schenck

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The DD said the #1 guy gets only one bye. Flipping coins or drawing numbers makes the most sense.

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At the IHRA Northern Nationals,there were three E/SA cars and coins were flipped to determine the bye.

In F/SA,you got the bye because neither of the other two competitors knew they could beat you anyways,so they didn't really care.You should have stayed in G/SA and had a real race,but you bailed! LOL!

If there are three cars running class that are fairly evenly matched (doesn't happen often,usually one car is considerably faster) then I think there should be a coin flip or some sort of random draw.

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If there are an Odd number of cars in class, or if it's a combo ss/s, I think the fastest car under thier index should get the bye no matter when the odd number happens. (provided they are still in.) It cost a lot of money to be the number one qualifier and thus they should be rewarded. If number 1, is out, it should go to number 2, and so on. easy for everyone to understand.

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The fastest car should always get the bye! If it rains NHRA doesn't flip coins or look at cards to see who gets the Wally!

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If there were 5 cars in a class and I was the fastest (yea right!),I would want the bye at three cars.Thats just my opinion.Any other opinions?

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With 16 cars in A/SA I think a sportsman ladder based on qualifing would be fair. This may be as good as show as the AH cars. Maybe better. Thanks, Doug Duell

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I think a pro ladder should be used because hard work or a fortunate stroke of a pen on a piece of "Paper " should be rewarded!

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if the qualifying ladder was complete, then we should use it... however the q sheet is NOT complete until after 1st round of class...

the guys who "play the game" of class OFTEN do not show thier hand until it is neccessary, cmon you texas holdem players... no fun if your hole cards are up right ? by FORCING everyone to show thier hole cards on the fake promise of a fair ladder is bull**** and would kill some of the suspense of class racing...coin flips, card games and hat draws are fine example of RANDOM pairings to me and fair too.

with that said... NHRA, because of the megabuck stockers / internet whiners and criers have already ruined what class racing was all about... WALLY'S PROGRAM THAT GUARANTEED EVERY CLASS TO REPRESENTED IN ELIMINATIONS. winning class doesnt mean **** anymore now that class winners are not in the field and im amazed that intelligent people are wasting this amount of time discussing how class should be run when it dosent mean anything.

how about a new topic...who should get the 1st time shots in the morning, which lane pulls out first, can i jump into the one thats moving to try to get good air ???? these questions are NOW the important ones because they may well determine who gets in the fastest mustang show in the next few years.

captain jack...14 time us nationals class winner

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This my first Nationals and I am looking forward to running class. With a new Mustang , 3 new Challengers and the other fast A/SA cars this should be exciting. Larry I agree the Pro ladder would be better, cant wait. Thanks, Doug