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Does anybody know why Luke Bogacki was DQ'd at Brainerd?

Larry

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Car was classified in the wrong class.

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Apparently, Luke claimed the car as a '70 Nova, but claimed the engine as a 396. A .060 over 396 would be about a 402, but in '70, the engine WAS a 402. Things can get sticky there, as the head cc, piston dome, and intake manifold are different. Bad break and a lot of driving for just a little oversight.

Jerry

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A 396 is listed as a 4.093 std bore, a 402 is 4.125 std bore......about an .030 larger bore size not .060 larger, as I recall from my engine shop days.....symantics, I know, but it would definately matter on a Stocker. It's funny to me how many guys run Stock and don't even know what the heck they are driving car and engine wise.......Thats sure not the way it used to be.......

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Piston dome is different between a 396 and 402 and I think the ex valve is slightly diff. I Think there are some things that are different if using the 401 alum head. as in combustion chamber vol. Depends on if it is iron or alum. The piston number and dome ht. would be wrong for sure....

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You're right Rich. I was thinking (or wasn't) that both would be legal at an about .060 oversize 396 bore size of 4.155, yet because of piston dome, cc's, intake, (and I forgot, exhaust valve size), they cannot be claimed as the other.

Anyway, the apparent rumor has it that the year/engine mix-up was why Luke got tossed. Sad deal.

Jerry

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Also, the 396 intake is a higher version than the 1970 402 (which is quite flat).

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Yes Jeff. The '70 intake is the pancake type, but the older tall intake can be used and It looks like the new tall 359 GM Perf Parts intake is optional. I just had to look and it looks like there is quite the mix of ex valve sizes. 69/375 iron =1.72, 69 401 Alum = 1.84, 70 402/w401 alum & iron = 1.88. The head CC is all over the place too. Both 69 & 70 w/401 alum are @ 103.3 CC. the 69 iron 396 is @ 104.9 and the 70 iron 402 is @ 106.9. The pistons have a diffrent height. 69/396 is .361 at 40.05 cc,,, 70/402 is .344 at 39.53 cc
So much for using a 396 +.060 claimed as a 402 + .030. The cubic inches would pass, but it looks like you wouldn't make it through the barn with quite a few other parts. Sorry for being so technical tonight, but I just had to know. Sad deal for Luke too.

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That is a tough break. Is the only job of the officials to tech safety issues? I sure thought they were to tech compliance issues as well. We will pay more attention no doubt.

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A 1970 Nova can not run double A. It breaks 8.65 making it a natural B car up A down C.He was DQed on wrong class before tear down.

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They have been running it along time in that class.

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Have being the key word (sucks anyway though)

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Oh...thought we were talking about 402/350 engine

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Maybe Luke should subscribe to THISISCLASSRACING.COM. I still wonder if his front seat does not fold to allow access to the rear seat?

Larry

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Maybe the guys he's beaten with this combo should ask for a Mulligan?

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I think he's been running it on the IHRA side as a 68?

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69/ a,b,c

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I'm not saying it's true in this case, but back in the day a lot of the stocker guys I knew of built their own engines, therefore had first hand knowledge of exactly what they had. Stinks that he went all that way for nothing.

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I believe if he claimed it as a 1968 Nova he can run AA/SA
He has claimed it that way before..

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That would be very noticeable because a 68 cranks with keys on the dash and not the column.

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Larry why don't you give the guy a break show some "CLASS" for a change. If this was anyone else besides a well known "BRACKET RACER" this thread would've been dead by know. There is a lot more to these post than wrong year model. It goes back to the fact Luke has won more races than some of you have won ROUNDS.
My opinion is that cheating is like the guy that had the delay box in his car that time or the many of you that have run the lite weight pistons and rods. This B.S. about the wrong emblems, seats, etc,etc, etc, is just your whinny ***** trying to cover up the fact you can't drive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Was'nt there a guy on here last year that got thrown out after 3rd rd for not sighning a tech card, after he was told to go make his run then come back and do it. He forgot. That was an honest mistake. It cost him too. but it was'nt intentional.
Some of you "BLOWHARDS could learn a little bit about racing from Luke and he in turn could probably learn a little bit about class racing from the few of you left with a little CLASS.
Chip Johnson

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Hmmmm....doesn't Bogacki work for Huntsville Engines building race motors ???

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It's the racers responsibility to put his car in the correct class, if you don't know what the correct class is you can ask, this is why they have tech people working the races. This guys been around a while seems like he'd have some people around him that would know this stuff. Basically yes it's just bracket racing but with a few bothersome specific rules.Moral of the story, know what you got before you go racing. On a side note did anyone happen to notice the pics in ND of him in his dragster? I'm not sure how you get your head in front of the cage when properly belted in....I'm just sayin, Joe

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Just goes to show you what a lousy job of tech inspection is being done these days. It should have been caught many moons ago. Not to mention that if your going to race in stock or S/S you should at least know what you are running even if you didnt build it. closer inspections and more tear downs are needed in these classes but dont bank on it happening any time soon.

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Chip,

I am going to follow some very good fatherly advice " Never argue with a FOOL because some people may not be able to tell the difference" !!

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Luke is a stand up guy. Racing is his bread and butter. He would not knowingly jeopardize his racing. Ditto Chip!

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Don't know?

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This is NHRA class racing, you should know what combo your running!! If you don't, then you are knowingly breaking the rules!!

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Come on guys, give it a rest! The guy made a mistake so let it die....

The next time it could be you and everyone will be all over your a**.

Let's move on and talk about something important like how to make racing safer.

Mike Ferstl
SG SR 6091

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Jim went to a national event a few years back and asked a well know offical about putting the car in a class. He got out his rulebook and and said yes you can run it. Go to a divisional race at a different division and is told by a different official that he cant run that class. One of the officials was wrong. Who pays the price, the racer.

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I don't think Luke works for Huntsville Engine any more, but he uses thier engines. When Luke did work there, he didn't build engines, but worked up front in the parts sellin area. It sucks to get the boot on a brain-fart, but I doubt Luke is scared to admit when he's screwed up. I'm also pretty sure he's more than capable of winning races with or without the folding seat to allow acces to the back seat area.

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John from Tightwad,

Luke doesnt own this car or work for Huntsville Engine and they did not build the engine in it, which Im sure is legal. Luke just made a mistake with the stroke of a pen, accepts it and has moved on to the next pay window, probably today if I had to guess. Hope this clears up your HMMMM .

Hugh

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Correct. The car is Bryan Robinson's. Ex-NHRA SG World Champ and the guy I work with often daily when dealing with BTE. He and Luke are good friends and thus he drives the car for him.

Steve Oldani

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Larry,
Does that mean you quit talking to yourself.

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....I am Old School.....Stock was about details...if you run it you better know what the hell you have for a car and engine. If Luke wins a million dollars bracket racing it doesn't mean squat. Stock is about people who want to deal with these details..I have run it and been bitten by my own stupidity a time or two. I took it and didn't ask for anyone to forgive my stupidity,,,,,,Defending a guy because he wins a lot in bracket racing makes no sense to me. If the guy runs the category it's really not to hard to look in the class guide. Using the term Blowhard is pretty rediculous in this case....The man made a mistake and paid the price for his apparent lack of knowledge about the car he was driving. I have zero sympathy for his misfortune....Maybe he should spend more time learning about the car and category he is running so he is not making a mistake when it comes to filling out his tech card.....Blaming the NHRA Tech guys for this also makes no sense to me. You are responsible for the info on the card....If you have it wrong it could come back to bite you and it apparently did.....

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I thought that was the basic idea about this whole deal...I guess the "bracket racers" dont really care that much...

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Rich,
You hit the nail on the head. You made a mistake it bit you and you went on. Which I'm sure Like will do also. We all learn by our mistakes. What chaps my but is everyone blasting him for his mistake but we don't hear a whole lot about the other racers that got DQ'ed. You know why it's because he is a very good racer who has won a lot and everyone is trying to tear him down. It would be the same if it was Bertozzi,Biondo,Beard,Folk or anybody else that wins a lot. If it is Joe Racer that only runs once a year you never hear nothing else about it.
The same thing in that other thread about Jason Line running so fast. Eveyone is fussing about it but if it was anyone else you would see a post or 2 and it would be over.
Chip Johnson

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No dog in the fight here, but I haven't seen Luke post anywhere that he has had an issue with this. Seems everyone not involved with the situation is complaining, not him?

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Sorry to tell you Chip & Mike, not everyone is complaining about it. Read my posts... I'm not judgemental. Unless you read that into where I say it was a bad deal for Luke. I'm just into the facts about how the two engines don't share the same parts. You see I call myself a Class racer and though these two engine combos would cross over or were closer to it. (like quiet a few small blocks) I would say I'm like quite a few people, surprised. That is why I took the time to search out the specs for the two engines. I didn't bother posting it, but I even looked up to see if some MFG had part numbers that crossed over on the pistons.
So, with that said I DON'T APPRECIATE BEING LUMPED INTO YOUR STATEMENTS ABOUT A SERIES OF POSTS THAT YOU PRECEIVE AS KNOCKING Luke.
You see I have some past history with Luke. I helped his Dad work out some problems with an engine combo they were having problems with. (way back in the early part of this decade) I know what kind of person Luke is and where he came from. What I take offense to is you guys with your Chips on your shoulder (pun intended) thinking everyone knocks someone when they make a post. Grow up children!

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My post wasn't direct at any one person. Nor was I trying to lump everyone into a big group. I was just pointing out that I haven't seen Luke complaining about the DQ, so why should anyone else? That's all. TYPING IN CAPITAL LETTERS DOESN'T MAKE A POINT ANYMORE VALID BY THE WAY.