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Sally McBride 04-13-2009 10:53 PM

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After refusing to pay the double-priced chassis certification fees to NHRA, I decided to start asking some questions. Like, why the rush to raise the fees on the general racing public? Most businesses will notify their customers of price increases. So, why did NHRA double-up? Ever been desperate at a casino? You know the term, double-up to catch up cause you’re loosing you’re *****! Sources (current & recently released employees of NHRA) have informed me that NHRA is in a terrible CASH FLOW CRUNCH. With spectator and contestant entries down by over 30% this year, and after the terrible Pomona event, cash flow has been terrible (according to sources). NHRA just eliminated the position formerly held in Division-4 by Dale House, after cutting everyone’s salary by 10%.

Contingency sponsor revenues to NHRA (and the racers) are down big time. The Big Three automotive manufacturers can’t use the stimulus $$$ to dole out to the likes of NHRA or others (note… Fun Ford Weekend (based in Denham Springs, Louisiana) is no longer in business with the pullout of Ford sponsorship $$$).

In short, the Gravy Train no longer runs to Glendora. Instead of looking for ways to make it easier for racers to compete at NHRA tracks, the mis-managers decided to suck what they could out of those that they could get it from (like bracket racers & sportsmen racers). It appears that their acts of desperation are not going to translate into a winning hand. My family has three bracket racers that are NHRA members until their membership and competition numbers expire. After their licenses are done, we are done with NHRA.

My two brothers have been racing since the 80’s. My boyfriend joined them six years ago. We plan our family outings around drag racing so much, that when we make plans, it’s like, we’ll go to Momma’s house this weekend, if it rains and we can’t go racing.

We are not “big-time” racers… just “small-time” people who work 40-hour jobs to support our families and our love for drag racing. We bitch about having to change out perfectly good seat belts every two years, and now we learned that NHRA gets $$$ from the seat belt manufacturers to “enforce” the seat belt rule (otherwise known as “contingency” payments to NHRA). It is not a safety issue, it is a $$$ issue. If helmets are good for 5 years, why not seat belts?

I hope someone from NHRA will read this post. Are you paying attention? If you want to make more money, YOU NEED MORE CUSTOMERS! Want more customers? THEN MAKE IT EASY FOR THEM TO PLAY IN YOUR BALL PARK! Instead of charging $69 for membership and national dragster, make it $30 and cut the Dragster issues to every two weeks, or once a month. Instead of $150 for a chassis inspection, go back to $75 (that =’s $25 a year). Instead of competition numbers at $100 for two years, go to $40. Lord knows that it can’t cost you more than $5 to keypunch, print, and mail a competition license number card. Once it is in the computer, renewals don’t take a “real person” to administer the process.

And finally, do away with forcing contestants to pre-register in order to race. Let’s see how stupid can one be… A Baton Rouge racer (Keith Veal) shows up a few weeks ago with $300 cash in his hand to race the Houston event in Super Street. It was his first national event ever and he did not know that he could not pay at the gate like he has done at divisional races the past several years. So you guys really showed him. Ya’ll sent him packing instead of accepting his $300, even though you only had 37 entries in Super Street, and none in Super Stock. Turning this one car away cost NHRA $300, but ya’ll showed him good, didn’t ya’ll? (Bunch of idiots) I can hear Mr. Graham “Dim” Light muttering, “What a dumb ***** (while looking into a mirror), imagine him driving 4 hours and trying to race here without pre-registering”. Well ya’ll showed Keith alright. Ya’ll showed him the door, and ya’ll showed him how stupid ya’ll are when it comes to money, and ya’ll showed another customer away for good.

So if NHRA wants to take in extra cash, all they have to do is reduce their “fees” and open national events to all of the sportsmen categories, including Top Dragster and Top Sportsman. Houston had a total of 232 sportsman entries that competed in the same categories as the 520+ that were in Belle Rose a week earlier. That means almost 300 racers (that’s more than ½) didn’t make the short drive to Houston from Belle Rose. If an “open gate” was available, and only 200 of the 300 Belle Rose racers showed up with $300 cash in their hands, NHRA could have banked another $60,000. Hell, that’s equal to an extra $75 of certification fees on 800 cars! NHRA officials need to look in the mirror, and repeat after me, “What a dumb *****...What a dumb a$$”.

Sally McBride
Denham Springs, Louisiana

CFM 04-13-2009 11:09 PM

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Sources (current & recently released employees of NHRA) have informed me that NHRA is in a terrible CASH FLOW CRUNCH.


OH Bruton, got a minute.....

Jim Wahl 04-14-2009 12:21 AM

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Good post girl! But as I stated in another post, they will not allow their bloated egos to listen to any of the "common folk". Jim

X-TECH MAN 04-14-2009 05:04 AM

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Sally is right on.....you go girl !

Jim Bailey 04-14-2009 05:11 AM

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Sally: you touched on one very important subject. " It's their Ballgame." ( It's their Ballpark, It's their rules, it's their Bat, it's their Ball, it's their Refs, and it's their Prices.) No one is holding a gun to anybodies head to go race NHRA. ( Except maybe in South Carolina.) If you don't want to race with NHRA ... DON'T. Plain and simple. Race IHRA, race local Brackets, don't race at all, go fishing, but for God's sake, EVERYONE, quit bitching about it. This is still America, and we still do have the right to choose. I will choose to race,( maybe not as often), Wherever, whenever, I want to, and my budget will allow. JB

bobby 04-14-2009 05:35 AM

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I can't believe that they eliminated Dale's position. Is he still with NHRA? such a great person. Just was him at the Houston nat's. guess I should quit working for NHRA now, but they just gave me a pay raise, only b/c minimum wage went up.

jimi 04-14-2009 05:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Bailey (Post 115121)
Sally: you touched on one very important subject. " It's their Ballgame." ( It's their Ballpark, It's their rules, it's their Bat, it's their Ball, it's their Refs, and it's their Prices.) No one is holding a gun to anybodies head to go race NHRA. ( Except maybe in South Carolina.) If you don't want to race with NHRA ... DON'T. Plain and simple. Race IHRA, race local Brackets, don't race at all, go fishing, but for God's sake, EVERYONE, quit bitching about it. This is still America, and we still do have the right to choose. I will choose to race,( maybe not as often), Wherever, whenever, I want to, and my budget will allow. JB

jim i have never met you , i have been told you are a stand up guy! but your attitude in regards to the ongoing situation that nhra has all spotsmen racers involved in sucks, you know nhra is running over all of us and instead of saying i will stick with my competitors and do something about it you just say to hell with it im here for me and everyone else can deal with it! as much as 8 years ago i can remember dan dvorak on these forums preaching to the quire about this coming down the pipe from nhra and everyone called him a freak told him he was crazy that nhra would nevere do anything intentionally to screw the sportsman racer! well dan was correct ! he has been correct since i first spoke with hi m in 1988! and has been on key since, just to let you know i have gone fishing no one is holding a gun to my head to go racing i just about plain quit because of the so called inhancements nhra has been providing me since 1994, i really got a taste in 2002 from graham light and co. in maple grove and to be honest things have just been going down hill with nhra since i have not raced much since then and i thank god that i have been able to sit back and watch what is going on instead of being blind with racing fever and not realizing what has been going on. im not holding a gun to your head to sway you, just making true statements about what i have seen since 1986 when i started, i know you have been at this along time like most of us , if something is not done now about nhra using the sportsman racer to pick up the tabs for there own incompetence ,we as stock, super stock or any other sportsman class racers are doomed ! and i would not be surprised with the most recent round of $ inhancements if we get written off completely somewhere down the road.


IF YOU CARE ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE DOING DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

Greg Hill 04-14-2009 05:59 AM

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Jim, I guess a lot of us don't want to see the management of NHRA run it into the ground. They are making decisions based on short term greed and keeping their lifestyles the same without regard for what's in the long term interests of the organization. For myself I will not run any National events this year because of their actions.

jimi 04-14-2009 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Greg Hill (Post 115127)
Jim, I guess a lot of us don't want to see the management of NHRA run it into the ground. They are making decisions based on short term greed and keeping their lifestyles the same without regard for what's in the long term interests of the organization. For myself I will not run any National events this year because of their actions.

the last national i went to was the last september maple grove (2006 i think) i had a free entry from my uncle otherwise i would not have gone, not because of money either, i just cant stand the glendora road show/circus what a bunch of pompus a$$holes!

keith ohanesian 04-14-2009 06:24 AM

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lol yup

Jim Bailey 04-14-2009 06:36 AM

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Greg: Isn't it interresting to see other persons views, and how they vary.(Especially, self employed business owners vs. employees). My point is plain and simple; you CAN do something about it...Don't support it. Don't go. But, don't persecute the people that do. It's their right. This is America. Secondly, you think this is something "NEW"? In 1982 I was on Ken Veney's Alky funny car crew. We won the Gatornationals, Ken's last National Event win as a driver. Wally Park's himself, walked into our pits to congratulate Ken. Ken said, something along the lines of....Wally, In 1975 I won such and such a National event, I won $25,000.00 plus contengences. It's 8 years later and I get $10,000.00 and much less in contengencies. What's up with that? .....Wally Park's answer --- God as my witness --- "I know, I don't know how you guys do it." - Somethings never change. JB

Alan Roehrich 04-14-2009 06:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Bailey (Post 115121)
Sally: you touched on one very important subject. " It's their Ballgame." ( It's their Ballpark, It's their rules, it's their Bat, it's their Ball, it's their Refs, and it's their Prices.) No one is holding a gun to anybodies head to go race NHRA. ( Except maybe in South Carolina.) If you don't want to race with NHRA ... DON'T. Plain and simple. Race IHRA, race local Brackets, don't race at all, go fishing, but for God's sake, EVERYONE, quit bitching about it. This is still America, and we still do have the right to choose. I will choose to race,( maybe not as often), Wherever, whenever, I want to, and my budget will allow. JB

No, Jim, it is NOT their ballgame. NHRA is a non profit organization funded by its members. It is OUR ballgame, but we have allowed it to be hijacked by corporate raiding profiteers. The entire original concept behind NHRA has been perverted by greedy individuals who are out of touch with their customer base and out of touch with reality. They are taking our money and wasting it, and they are taking our sport and killing it.

You are right about one thing, Jim. This is still America, and we have the right to speak our mind. We have the right to stand up for what we believe is right, and we have the right to stand up against what we believe is wrong. And one other thing. You have the right to not read it. So don't read it. It was pretty obvious what the original poster was going to post with the thread title, if you did not want to read it, no one put a gun to your head.

For all of you who can easily afford the cost increase, and for all of you who do not mind, that is fine. But when all ten of you show up to race, and they don't have a race because not enough racers showed up to make it worth their while (in other words, they don't get all the money they want from just you ten), don't act surprised, and don't come bitching to the rest of us. Because for every one of you to whom money is not an issue, there are 20 to whom it is, or maybe 200. For every 10 of you to whom principle doesn't matter, there are 100 to whom it does. Eventually, NHRA will make it so expensive, and so much of a pain in the ***, that attendance will shrink enough that they won't get enough people to rob.

Alan Roehrich 04-14-2009 06:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Bailey (Post 115133)
Greg: Isn't it interresting to see other persons views, and how they vary.(Especially, self employed business owners vs. employees). My point is plain and simple; you CAN do something about it...Don't support it. Don't go. But, don't persecute the people that do. It's their right. This is America. Secondly, you think this is something "NEW"? In 1982 I was on Ken Veney's Alky funny car crew. We won the Gatornationals, Ken's last National Event win as a driver. Wally Park's himself, walked into our pits to congratulate Ken. Ken said, something along the lines of....Wally, In 1975 I won such and such a National event, I won $25,000.00 plus contengences. It's 8 years later and I get $10,000.00 and much less in contengencies. What's up with that? .....Wally Park's answer --- God as my witness --- "I know, I don't know how you guys do it." - Somethings never change. JB

No one here is persecuting anyone Jim. There may be a few no name individuals (AKA idiots) saying some stupid things and making personal attacks that no one else listens to, but no one here is persecuting anyone for doing what they want.

Rick Bailey 04-14-2009 07:19 AM

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Well said Alan...........


Rick

Ken Miele 04-14-2009 07:29 AM

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Jim,

Be prepared to take allot of heat. Your opinion like mine is in the minority.

Alan Roehrich 04-14-2009 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by boster58 (Post 115148)
Alan , why dont you try and get the membership together to make change ? Bo Kenney

Bo, if we (the racers) built it, would you come?

I'm just one guy. I have a regular job. I love to race, and I have a very good friend and customer who helps me do that. I don't even have a ride right now, but I'm working on it (looking at a car as we "speak"). I'm only trying to stand up for my friends and fellow racers, and for what I believe is right.

Alan Roehrich 04-14-2009 08:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Bailey (Post 115133)
Greg: Isn't it interresting to see other persons views, and how they vary.(Especially, self employed business owners vs. employees). My point is plain and simple; you CAN do something about it...Don't support it. Don't go. But, don't persecute the people that do. It's their right. This is America. Secondly, you think this is something "NEW"? In 1982 I was on Ken Veney's Alky funny car crew. We won the Gatornationals, Ken's last National Event win as a driver. Wally Park's himself, walked into our pits to congratulate Ken. Ken said, something along the lines of....Wally, In 1975 I won such and such a National event, I won $25,000.00 plus contengences. It's 8 years later and I get $10,000.00 and much less in contengencies. What's up with that? .....Wally Park's answer --- God as my witness --- "I know, I don't know how you guys do it." - Somethings never change. JB

By the way, Jim, thanks for helping me make my point. Shows how long ago Wally lost control, and nothing was done about it. Ever wonder how much longer it can go on, especially as it gets worse faster, and we get closer to the economy being as bad as it was in the late seventies?

Kevin Cour 04-14-2009 09:16 AM

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I looked up the definition of a non-profit organization in Wikipedia and found this description (pay special attention to the last two sentences):

"Whereas for-profit corporations exist to earn and distribute taxable business earnings to shareholders, the nonprofit corporation exists solely to provide programs and services that are of public benefit. Often these programs and services are not otherwise provided by local, state, or federal entities. While they are able to earn a profit, more accurately called a surplus, such earnings must be retained by the organization for its future provision of programs and services. Earnings may not benefit individuals or stake-holders. Underlying many effective nonprofit endeavors is a commitment to management. Twenty years ago, management was a dirty word to those involved in nonprofit organizations. It meant business, and non-profits prided themselves on being free of the taint of commercialism and above such sordid considerations as the bottom line. Now most of them have learned that nonprofits need management even more than business does, precisely because they lack the discipline of the bottom line. The nonprofits are, of course still dedicated to "doing good." But they also realize that good intentions are no substitute for organization and leadership, for accountability, performance, and results. Those require management and that, in turn, begins with the organization's mission."

I work for Toyota Motor Sales, USA, and I am proud to say that we are a well-run company with great leadership and strong financial resources. However, doing business in today's tough economic climate is taxing to almost every company in almost every industry, including Toyota. NHRA drag racing is no different, in my opinion. The economic challenges we face in America today expose every company's weakness, big or small. NHRA's leadership and mission are being tested right now. Tough decisions must be made and the results will either strengthen or weaken their organization. In good times, it's easy to look smart. In tough times, good leaders stand tall, make good long-term decisions and organizations are strengthened. Time shall be the ultimate test of NHRA's decisions.

chris3racing 04-14-2009 10:39 AM

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Just thought I would see if the event at Atlanta is filled. In the heart of "Southern Drag Racing" according to NHRA Competition, not one of the fields has a full field. Some are only 50% and 70% filled. This is Tuesday lunch time and the event begins in two days.

Rick Bailey 04-14-2009 10:53 AM

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All fields are closed as of this past Monday............withdraws and such

Ken Miele 04-14-2009 11:26 AM

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Looking at quota's is not an accurate gauge of racer participation. In 1998 there was 11 classes with a total of 428 cars. 2008 there was 473 cars with a total of 12 classes. This year there are 371 cars with 9 classes. Given the classes are less for this year, racer participation is only slightly down. The doom and gloom that some people are saying is simple not true. Yes, things are down, but the sky is not falling in.

Alan, thanks for making my point. Things have not changed since the 70's. Why do racers continue to support NHRA. When I became a member, I did not read the part where I would have a say in how to run NHRA. Expecting or implying that members have the right to tell NHRA how to run there organization is wrong in my opinion. We can express how we feel, and if they do not listen we should find another place to race.

Bo, I understand why members are upset, but people have a choice, and they need to make it if they feel so strongly about how bad NHRA treats them.

Don Kennedy 04-14-2009 12:19 PM

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I agree with Ken completely . if a racer does not to race with NHRA don't.
I am a supporter of NHRA and I hope the "minority" who complain on this site are smart enough to know both sides of the so called problem that the "minority' have brought up and not just complain after only knowing one side of the so called problem they think is going on>

I know that the majority of the racers understand some of the issues that NHRA may be having.

I do know NHRA is very concerned about the Sportsman racers big time and just because they (NHRA) don't openly discuss these concerns does not make them not CARE ABOUT THE SPORTSMAN RACERS.

I can assure all racers since I have talked to NHRA they are doing what every business in the US is doing tighting up their belt so to speak , and this is effecting everyone who racers not just the sportsman . .

Now if the small amount that NHRA is raising our costs will affect your racing then take your huge racing operations and go some where else. I do know that I have a very small trailer and Dually and a old up dated race car with about a $250,000 operation which is not much since I see some of the racers rigs which are over kill in costs which is not bad but if the amount of NHRA cost increases effects your racing, sell your big old giant rig to tighten up your belt to go racing or quit..

I would be interested in knowing just how much More the new rates will cost the average racer per year??? I be it is so small that it is almost nothing ? Anyone knows how much more the new cost will be please post the amount >

Kandra Villani 04-14-2009 12:34 PM

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Regarding the comments that seem to be made over and over again when someone complains about how they don't like the new NHRA polices, such as "don't go, go to IHRA, go race somewhere else" Well...it just shows that sometimes racers live in their own geography and don't think of the "whole". Please explain WHERE those of us in Division 5 (and most of D7, D6) can GO??? I should say, the WESTERN part of D5. LOL. Just to race NHRA our CLOSEST races are OVER 400 miles away. Denver is IT!!! Denver is an NHRA race. So you must be saying that this means we MUST race NHRA, or just quit??? Those of us that have taken some time off to start our families, and have 75% finished stockers sitting in our garages, are very frustrated. We don't have the ability to just up and travel over 600+ miles to support an organization that has refused to move west (IHRA). We are fed up with the rising costs (we have TWO drivers in our household, not just one as most), each change nickels and dimes us to the point we can't participate in our hobby. We just have to deal??? WHY???? I always used the argument here in Colorado that I don't ski because I could head to the track, have a great day, and even have the shot of winning most of my entry back! I can hardly use that anymore.

I understand both sides of this argument, but I don't understand why those that feel NHRA is just in what they are doing are so free to tell the rest of us to just take our business somewhere else. WE CAN'T. If you lived in a small town, next nearest grocery store is in the next town over 400 miles away, and you just can't handle the prices of the groceries and lack of quality, and poor service and the fact they don't have maybe a specific medication available in your pharmacy, what would you do? Would you try to get them to carry the item, fix their prices, fix their quality and customer service, or just drive the 800 mile round trip weekly to buy your groceries and medication?

NHRA provides something, and unfortunately, they DO have a monopoly on most of the market. I can't just go to another provider here.

I can complain, make my feelings and unhappiness known in HOPES that the one provider we have makes a change.


Kandra Villani

Super Stock
Hopefully have a stocker....maybe not..... 79 Firebird, almost finished, might be for sale.... takers???

chris3racing 04-14-2009 01:05 PM

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I am not trying to further this argument, I am now trying to understand how this works. On NHRA "Competition" they have the entry summary. This has a "quota" of cars in each class, example being 24 Top Fuel, 24 Funny Cars 130 Super Stock. I go to the entry list and only 20 Top Fuel, 17 Funny Cars and 77 Super Stocks, how is that filled.

When I started back racing, away for over 30 years, and wanted to go to Charlotte and someone told me I could not go. I called NHRA and was told that having license, having a car, having entry fee and expense money did not allow me to race at the only NHRA track in my area. I'm sorry but that is not the way it use to be.

buzzinhalfdozen 04-14-2009 01:21 PM

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Mr. Kennedy, I think you made a good point in your post"they (NHRA) don't want to openly discuss it. This seems to be the thing that at least I believe upsets most of the racers. They(NHRA) just hand down their decisions without so much as a paragraph before hand stating what they are considering. If you notice the IHRA did send out a letter putting the racers fears to rest that they were not going to follow suit on the increases. I believe that a little communication towards the sportsman racers by NHRA would have at least lessened the sting of this increase. I'm not bragging up IHRA however they do seem to be more in touch with their sportsman racers. Joe

Kandra Villani 04-14-2009 02:03 PM

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Don: Just in Competition numbers and Membership renewal (we buy an associate membership) we are looking at approximately $300 just for me and Tony to renew comp numbers (we each have 3 so we can race Stock, Super Stock, or ET, which ever we are running due to availability of cars since NHRA and LOCAL tracks won't let you run your stock number in any other class, even for one race). That's one race entry fee that we now can't budget.

May not be much to you, and if you know me, you KNOW we don't have a HUGE racing operation, never had, but as has always been the problem, everyone assumes you MUST spend to race. I have a 1996 F350 and currently NO trailer unless borrowed, usually open. I have a half finished car that I've been working on since I've known you. So I'm just supposed to take it in the rear end and not race??? Lovely.

You have great race programs in Arizona, I'm assuming. I don't have that availability, so what EXACTLY do you want us to do??? WHERE do we take our racing??? Bandimere is most likely doing away with any combo races they had, or have at least thought of doing so for the last few years. 4 races a year to race at locally doesn't justify a car, but WHY should I have to give up my car because some organization has a monopoly on the market???

Just questions, not a complaint per se, but it's always easy to tell someone to go somewhere else if they don't like something, there has to be somewhere else for them to go.

Kandra

Brian Hummell 04-14-2009 02:22 PM

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my NHRA membership ran out last month.Along with my number. I had sent the membership department an email asking if they had a membership could be had at a lower cost without the National dragster. which in my house gose in the trash most of the time right away. My point was I only wanted it for the insurance for when racing and a rulebook. That is all I needed it for. my answer was they had a 6 month membership avilable.
From My driveway it is 60.3 miles to martin Ihra track , 61.7 miles to stanton nhra track.
Now granted in the last five years my racing has been none exsitant but i have been around. and have put a daughter threw college. tution is not cheap but her education is paid for.

When looking at what has happened over the last 10 years with both IHRA to has been less advasive then the NHRA. I am leaning Twords the IHRA simply because there is less to deal with and the cost.

Somewere in the NHRA there should be a charter or bylaws that states how officials are elected or apointed to the board. as members is not a vote involved to elect board members.

I am not suprised to see this coming down the pike. but this is a lot of how things are run in the US. If you do not see it look closer. It is a shame this is happening. NHRA has made a profit for a long time but we as sportsman racer never really saw any benfits of it.

Independent racing venues are looking better also Brian

Ron Ortiz 04-14-2009 03:04 PM

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Mr. Kennedy,

You have a $250,000 operation. Well no doubt that the increases have not much an effect on you, so your statement about what to do is correct for your situation. You may not have the big rig that some others have, but your logic is right in line with the amount of money you can win to break even with your operation.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA some people just don't get it

Pistol Pete 04-14-2009 03:13 PM

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Sally, You had a Great Post.

Alan, You are Soooo Right about us being robbed....

We need to form our own organization period......

Bruce Noland 04-14-2009 03:32 PM

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Don,
Are you posting that you own a $250,000.00 racing operation?

Ed Fernandez 04-14-2009 03:42 PM

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My truck,trailer and car total about $25K.Maybe I should get into the TARP program?
Kenny you or Jack got any loose change laying around so I can race this year?

Ed

Mike Voth 04-14-2009 04:11 PM

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1 1996 Chevy Suburban - $5,000
1 several year old Classic enclosed trailer - $4,000
1 1986 Monte Carlo Super Stocker - $14,000 (not likely)
The abilty to race the NHRA circuit every summer - PRICELESS!

That's what we have tied into our racing operation. Granted, all the computers/weather stations;data aquisition, tools and countless broken parts make this number higher...but not by much.

I love NHRA Drag Racing...There's no better atmosphere!!

Don Kennedy 04-14-2009 04:24 PM

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My Point is those of you have not gotten it yet, is that if the price increase in racing is effecting your racing budget then back off on the racing budget or down size your cost of racing . regardless of how small or large your operation is .

I know that that NHRA is trying their best to help it's overall operations .

This is the US we have choices as everyone knows . You make your choice to where to race .

I made my choice to race NHRA cause they are still the best place to race ,even when, so called times are bad .

I support NHRA in nearly all of their decisions and want them to be successful so i will have a place to race, and will not intentionally try to make them less successful . If they are successful so will I be .

Jim Bailey 04-14-2009 04:26 PM

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KEVIN COUR : GREAT POST on pg.2, everyone should read it... twice !!! Time WILL tell. I just can't find it in my heart to believe that there's a group of men, many that love Drag Racing as much as we do, sitting in a boardroom in Glendora, planing the demise of Sportsman Racing as we know it....(which is what many of you make it sound like)... I can hear it now; Graham Light, saying to Tom Compton, "Let's figure out a way to screw the Sportsman Racers!".... I DON'T THINK SO...... The conversation probably is going more like this.....What do we have to do to keep from going into receivership during this tough economic time, starting at the top, working our way down to the bottom, or we'll all be looking for new jobs... My friends... thoughs "business" decisions are tough ones to make and often unfavorable. Are they the correct decisions? Time is the only thing that will tell. I love Drag Racing. I have a choice, and my choice is to support NHRA Drag Racing (and IHRA) within the limits of my own personal budget. Even if it means racing less. I'm only in a position to second quess, so I hope the "suits" are making the correct choices also, and NHRA Sportsmen Drag Racing survives these tough times.

FED 387 04-14-2009 05:07 PM

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The main thing they(NHRA EXECS) have to watch out for is something called "intermediate sanctions" Not really sure what they are or how they work but the IRS pays particularly close attention to them when they do an audit--Has to with exec compensation/ loans/ preferential " treatments to/for officers"etc.
I'm not an accountant maybe Ms. Jordan can shed some light on what they are & how they work... It all has to do with excessive compensation and perks in relationship to the job as well as what executives are being paid in similiar positions in other non- profits, and the annual dollar amount of the organization ---My take on it --Comp 387

Ed Fernandez 04-14-2009 05:23 PM

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I just can't find it in my heart to believe that there's a group of men, many that love Drag Racing as much as we do, sitting in a boardroom in Glendora, planing the demise of Sportsman Racing as we know it...


How much do these people in Glendora (not just Compton and Gardener) make in salary,for a NON PROFIT?If they are in dire straits monetarily if they
had a conscience and REALLY loved this sport wouldn't they cut their compensation,as they are asking their " lowly" field personnel to do (less hours,days,travel reimbursement).The pros got a raise in payouts this year.Most are corporate funded,which I'm sure covers their overhead.Why wouldn't the suits roll back the increase.They don't exactly race for peanuts.Maybe some of the lower financed teams may drop,but there are some here telling us low buck guys that our sport isn't for everybody,go do something else.


Ed F.

SPS 04-14-2009 05:34 PM

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Excellent post, Sally.

As a member of NHRA for over 35 years, I'm not likely to stop paying my dues(begrudgingly though) as some have already mentioned.

But that's not the point here.

Pat said in two other posts that many racers left (or will not be racing at) his track. Simple economics says, not as many racers, not enough money to pay the bills and keep our favorite tracks open. He (Pat) and others, have invested a lot in trying to make a great facility and support the sportsman racer.

This NHRA decision also affects many other racers (ADRL, NMCA, points bracket racers, and others) that need a license and chassis certification to be able to run their cars wherever they compete. All these tracks also suffer.

Unfortunately, the Divisional staffs and the tracks we have got to know and race at will ultimately suffer. And that will affect us all.

FJ

DK FRAZIER 04-14-2009 05:50 PM

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Good post Ed, How I would love to sit in on one of those mettings!!!!! you know just to feel the love

Ken Miele 04-14-2009 06:13 PM

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Ed,

Why do you continue with your class warfare mentality. Do you really feel that NHRA owes you something. I don't care how much Tom Compton makes, or anybody else that works for NHRA. What give us the right to set the salary. Because we are members this give us the right to set the salary someone should make? Where is the contract we singed with NHRA giving us the right to cap someone's salary or fire them for not doing there job. You are member, like me, nothing more. The only thing we can do is voice our opinion or not support NHRA, and judging by your entry at e-town, you support NHRA.

You pay money to your cable company every month, probable for many years. If they double there price, what would you do? or better yet what could you do. Demand the CEO and his greedy executives step down, or find another cable company. You have supported your cable company for all these years, now they raise the price without asking you. I guess they owe you something huh.

Should government step in like they did with GM and have the CEO step down. Is that what everyone wants for NHRA. You want one man to dictate what someone should make?

Kandra, I feel bad that you have to travel so far to race, but should will also give racers that have old equipment new. Because some racers suffer hardships, we should then have the right to tell the NHRA how to run there, YES I SAID THERE organization. We are members and no where is it written that we have a say it what they do.

If one racer has a $250,000 operation, should we subsidize the racer that has only a 25,000 operation. Where do you draw the line for helping out a racer.

Its a tough deal when someone that loves drag racing is priced out because of higher fees or a tough economy. Racing is a luxury and it has evolved into a very expensive sport, especially when racing with NHRA. I had to sit out few years in the early nineties because I could not afford to go racing. I did not expect NHRA to lower the fees so I could race.

I respect the racers choice not to race with NHRA because of the latest fee increase, but I can not support the members of this forum who think they have a right to tell a company how to run there business. If NHRA has set the prices to high, then they will pay the ultimate price and fail, but the market should handle the correction not members who feel they have the right to tell NHRA how to be run.

I still do not understand how some can make the statements they are making without knowing what the financial status of NHRA is.

Don, I posted the price increase in a early post, but over charged myself. If I attend 6 nationals a year, have my car certified and renew my license, including an additional category, it will cost a extra $180.00 a year.

This is the break down on my yearly increased fees.

Insurance surcharge........ 6 races at $20.00 = $120.00
Certification...$75.00........divided by 3 years =$ 25.00
License........$25.00............................. .............=$ 25.00
Additional Category....$10.00..........................=$ 10.00

Total............................................. .......................=$180.00



Don Kennedy 04-14-2009 06:30 PM

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I know for a fact the tighting of NHRA Belts at the very first, started at the top .Big time


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