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Made a trip to MPR, walked in, and saw this...

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6.1L HEMI
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Serial #1
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Carbon Fiber Hood
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Cobra Jet #12
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thats seriously the intake and throttle body for a STOCKER?

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If it is...STOCK just became a big "f...ing" joke with the CJ's and this..with this in mind GM could get away with anything should they decide to do something to put the nail in the coffin! With current classes you need ratings 390-430 hp to get in the classguide for stock..and they will get it after doing whats "needed" with NHRA!

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Only ONE throttle body ? Looks like 220 HP should do it.......LOL...Maybe 255 HP with two T-bodies. And blowers on the Fords. What a JOKE stock has become.

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I think turning my i/sa camaro into a single turbo 10.5 car would be more stock than these new bull**** cars !!!! LOL They can run B/S!!!! HEHEHEHE

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Right now I cant see the pictures because Im at work, but what do you guys want, to go back in time??? The Cobra Jet is what it is and so is the Challenger. New technology. This is the same thing they did back in the 60's. History is just repeating itself.

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stefan callender

After you see the intake then repost what you think!

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I think it is encouraging to see any factory involvement, I hope Chevy does one too. I think that these cars should be introduced as "Factory Stock" and just throw them all together in their own class. Sticks, autos together. They could run them heads up and be showcased for the factory. Then we might actually see what they are capable of instead of 1000 footing them. I think that would still allow the Big Dogs that have them to strut their stuff for the factory, and generate more excitement. Let's face it, no one that gets one of these cars is worrying about where the money is coming from for their next Chow call. I think it would be good for everyone.
My 2 cents.

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There isn't a n/a intake manifold in the world that compares to a supercharger so quit your bitchin! This is going to be great for class racing, lets just see how it plays out. Where's GM? Shawn

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Going broke.

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[QUOTE=Shawn Blair; Where's GM?

In the TOILET !

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Ok Junior, Im home, Now I see it....

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BUT THEY ARE NOT CARS THE PUBLIC CAN BUY AND TAKE TO THE STREETS!! They are Super Stock Cars..There are both Mustangs and Challengers that you can buy and run on the street...those are Stockers and are what should be raced in Stock! But if the factors were right they would allready be SS cars and we wouldn't have these ramblings......a major "slip up" from NHRA..but probably intentional..If they wanna sell cars on monday..then make and race cars that the public can buy period!

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I really appreciate the fact that the factories are building modern Stock Eliminator packages. I appreciate your argument, but there is so much stuff on the street legal packages of these cars that was never on the old cars and doesn't have to be on the new ones.

The intake doesn't look "Stock", but an Edelbrock Six Pack intake with three Holleys probably didn't look so stock to a guy running a Nomad in 1969. I wonder what they thought about that lift off hood? The fact that the intake is on a fuel injected motor makes me wonder what the true gains in HP would be over a shorter one. You only need so much plenum volume ahead of the injectors. Maybe someone wiser than me can answer that? It does look cool!

These cars are good for class racing. Just look at how much traffic this web site has gotten from them!

As someone who has built several late model Stockers, I can tell you that it is a real shame to remove pickup loads of brand new parts and haul them to a junk yard.

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Guys, I wish I had a tape measure with me . That Intake has to be a foot tall and that's not the only "SPECIAL" piece in that engine...very impressive, it's going to be very competitive with cobra jets...Luke

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Should they have their own class then?

Modified Stock?

It really isn't fair to throw them in the mix with the cars that have been sorted out and know where they stand.

Or, should we just let the AHFS sort it out?

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Ah hemi jokes again?

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That hood looks like it has the new scoop on it (probably why it has no paint)....NHRA didn't like the original scoop that Mopar had on them and made them change it for certification.....

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that motor looks alot like a gm LS motor...UUMMM...

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RX Dealer,

Did one of the CJ's head south today? I was on the interstate north of Springfield IL and our route went over I-55 and I could have sworn I saw on of the CJ's on an open trailer heading south. The hood scoop was noticeably forward, not centered or to the rear.

If it was, that was my first sighting.

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What makes you say that? A GM LS motor reminds me of a FE ford. I think they even use the same amount of head bolts. Last time I checked you couldn't look through the intake port of a GM and see your shoe on the ground like a HEMI! I also get a kick out of GM using crossbolts on the mains like FORD and CHRYSLER do and did 45 years ago! I guess its a good design. Shawn

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AMEN! Totally agree with you! Shawn

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in 1970 you could go to the dealer and buy a 426 hemi challenger, ins.and plates away you go,now these new cars ,the drag pak chall.cannot be street driven and is not avalible after a certain quota,has been met.dodge had the factory race car in s/s,the lightened front end car with the hemi ,it just looks to modified to run as a stock elim. car.some will agree and disagree,

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I personally believe that BOTH the Supercharged Mustang and the new Challengers belong in S/S or thier own class....NOT in stock eliminator. The rule book should be revised to say a larger number (min 100 and documented) should be produced and avaliable to the general public to who anyone who can afford them and want one. They dont have to be street legal due to all of the Govt. BS thats required to pass EPA and safety regulations today but no special runs of such small amounts produced. My 1 cent worth

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It is what it is. Ford is going to kick some ***.

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I too would like to see these cars in the S/S class and let the other showroom cars battle out in stock. Now I wasn't around back in the day but how do these cars differ in their classification from the 68 HEMI A body cars? Aren't both factory built as race cars with no intentions of them being street legal? I mean I understand the 41 year difference between the two. Now before some hot head jumps on that question with sarcasm, I'm asking out of lack of knowledge.

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I think they should be in SS along with the new z-r1 vette,ford has done a great job of putting the mustang in the right peoples hands that can make them fly,mopar i dont know..

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All of you all comments sound exactely like the comments that were said when the older cars came out long time ago. are you all sure you all were not saying the same things many years ago when the hemis and fords came out then LOL at us

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Let them all RACE, just to keep the field leval.

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Ok, one car has yet to face an older one in the same class in competion yet and the other hasn't even seen the track and you guys are bitching. Damn, the fastest car doesn't always win. If stock eliminator consisted of all AA/SA(S) and A/SA(S) cars I might see the problem here but they don't so the guys will have to put a number on the window and run the dial in and hit the tree period!
Are you gonna bitch everytime someone brings a new combo to the table? Look over in SS, Bobby Dennis is the master of finding the odd ball GM engines and making them dominate. He is vey fast but against his index he's killer and a threat to qualify number one anywhere, yet he isn;t winning all the races. He did a real good job last year and thats because he works hard at it.
I really need to know what's the big deal? Chrysler built the Hemi back in the 60's as a purpose built SS car and you couldn't drive it on the street. There were to versions, the street and race just like Ford.
Quit your whining and race, it's not the end of the world.

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Oh, I know why everyone is upset, it's because Chevrolet didn't build and come out with a purpose built race car and Ford and Chrysler did. The worlds coming to an end because someone beat GM to the punch. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!

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All GM guys can hope for is the LS9 package ending up in the Camaro. IMHO, Ford did it's homework. Mopar could have had better input and GM just choked.

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I think GM will have the last laugh before this is all said and done. Let's face it, all it takes is someone with deep enough pockets to build a ZR-1 and the game is over right now. I mean, if there is someone out there who can afford to build four cobra jet cars, then I'm sure there is someone out there who can afford to build one or two ZR-1's. And don't forget about the LS7 vette either.

If the Camaro gets either engine as an option, the GM boyz will be fine.

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Smitty said, "Chrysler built the Hemi back in the 60's as a purpose built SS car and you couldn't drive it on the street. There were to versions, the street and race just like Ford."

But, you never saw a '68 Hemi Barracuda/Dart or a Thunderbolt in Stock Eliminator, did you?

No... NHRA put them in Super Stock, where they belonged, and where these new cars belong.

If these new entries had been classified into Super Stock, where they belong, nobody would be complaining.

Supercharged cars that can't even be licensed don't belong in Stock Eliminator. That flys in the face of fifty+ years of tradition.


Don't agree? That's your right, but show me a precedent.

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That looks a lot like an MSD 1000cfm throttle body. Impressive, to say the least.

Do not look for GM to field a Stock Camaro. GM has nearly completely killed off all of the groups that would produce such a car, and those that have not been killed off are just waiting to hear from the executioner. There is no Zora Arkus Duntov to write another memo to put Chevrolet and GM back in the game this time. And even if there were, it isn't likely anyone would read the memo.

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The weight breaks are different, hence no T-Bolts, AMX's and '68 Hemis in Stock. AA/S is the same weight break as SS/D (7.5). If the weight breaks were the same, those other cars would be in Stock Eliminator. Actually, when the '68 Hemis came out, they ran SS/B and SS/A was an empty class (nothing fit). The AMX's were SS/F when they debuted. Not sure what the T-Bolts fit. The Hemis were rated 425 from the factory (hmmm). I don't know exactly when, but soon after NHRA rated the Hemis at 500, where they still stand today for the stick cars (507 for the automatics). I guess if we had the old school regime at NHRA now, instead of the bean counters, they would have laughed at the absurdity of the 425 rating of the 2008 CJ's and assigned them a more realistic factor? Who knows. It would be neat if Stock ran on the same weight break as S/S (starting at 6 pounds for AA, 6.5 for A/S, 7 for B/S, etc). Could have made for some even more interesting matches in the higher classes. Oh well, it's a moot point. With the evolution of racing and factory stuff, things change. Thirty years from now, there might be something come down the line that is a half-second faster than the '08 CJ's, and those racers will be complaining, same as the modern-day '08 CJ bashers are. Same as the Stocker racers did when the LT-1/LS-1's came out and began to dominate. These new Mustangs are far the first cars to come down under-rated and dominate, and sure won't be the last. I doubt they will last the whole year at their current rating. They will get hit, and may be relegated to AA, or even out of Stock, before too long. Who knows.

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That's definitely one advantage the Challengers have over the CJ's. If the CJ's get hit a few times they will be out of Stock like so many of you want them to be. On the other hand, the Challenger, which is rated 40 HP less for the "big" motor, will be around for the foreseeable future.

I haven't seen anyone discuss which of the two combos will be the faster of the two. I'm betting on the Dodge, but I'm admittedly biased...

My $.02

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Has IHRA published any information about the classification of these new cars?

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Thirty years from now....?? Five years and we might be talking who has the most voltage!!