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Way to go to D5 for being on top of it again this year.

http://www.nhradiv5.com/apcm/templat...3889&zoneid=15

Looks like no more pajama pants for the majority..lol

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This is going to make the SS class very interesting:

Super Stock/MX

An “EX” class will be added to accommodate All-Motor cars from the NHRA Sport Compact Series: EX – 11.50 or more pounds per cubic inch, Naturally aspirated, Methanol only, Front-wheel-drive only, Full-bodied

http://www.nhra.com/content/news/33870.htm

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Good and bad I can see....but truthfully, long over due in my opinion.

Strange that in my low 10sec bracket Chevelle it appears I can still wear Zuba style pants, but in my mid 10sec Super Stock car I need SFI pants?!?!

I think this is going to be an NHRA rule Troy, not just D5. I believe D5 just posted it first.

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That can`t be right, SFI pants for Stockers from AA thru M/SA?!? A few years ago, even the A/S-A/SA cars didn`t even need a jacket!

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Nope...it's 100% for real....I just talked to my SAC rep here in D5. It includes anyone running quicker than 11.49---regardless of class.

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You guys got so excited about the pants, you missed the paragraph for Stock about valve size and stem diameter remaining but valve angle ,in parentheses, states that any valve angle may be used. .......I know the same thing was shown last year, only to be left as it had been for years, but this time it appears there is an emphisis shown on the change of angle. .....Maby one of the sportsman reps knows if this rule was on the table for change? ........Since my car has a 30 deg intake ,I am naturally interested if we will be able to make a change. ......Tom

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If I recall correctly, the valve angle change was actually in the 2008 rule revisions. It appears that all of the changes listed include the 2008 rule revisions and 2009 rule changes.

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I bought some Summit sweat pants to wear over shorts, in the summer, so now just buy 32a1 pants to put over the shorts. I'm with Tom, check the valve job rule, pants don't make HP.

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Jim, thats why I'm questioning it. .. I thought they originaly said any valve angle , then later said the original angle had to be retained as it had been previously. ....Since the car was parked this year, I may have missed it, but I plan to have it back out next year, and don't want to miss a change like that. ....I'll have to go back and re read the revisions. ....Tom

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Damn, old age is creeping up on me. .....Jim you are correct, the revision was made last December. ......Had I been working on my AMX instead of the Vette, and Matyas' various projects , I would have known that! ....Now I can buy new valves to go with the pushrods and guideplates. .....,and another pair of SFI pants for the Stocker! ......Tom

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Does anyone know the situation on engine diapers for S & SS?

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On the SS/EX are they going to allow imports? Or will it be cars in the classification guide only (such as a Neon, Cobalt etc)?

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Maybe I'm a ****tard, but I cannot find an accepted list of Fuel Injection systems on NHRA.com. ..I may just be looking too hard, but the website is getting more and more difficult to navigate..

"Electronic Fuel Injection: In classes where allowed, must be closed, OEM-type system; i.e., may monitor only engine functions. Monitoring of vehicle performance criteria, wheel speed, driveshaft speed, vehicle acceleration, etc. by fuel-injection system prohibited. All aftermarket OEM-type electronic fuel injection must be NHRA-accepted. A current list of NHRA-accepted electronic-fuel-injection systems is available on NHRA.com."

I seem to get annoyed when I get on their site, too much useless info on a cluttered homepage...I have to find what I want there quickly or else it makes me angry and I itch like an allergy or something...can someone send me the link please. Thanks. Have a great day, much love!

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This also may seam like a dumb question...under modified stock it says nhra accepted cylinder heads
for as,bs,cs. The original rule states cs must be iron inline heads. Are these rule changes just added to the paragraphs or are they rewritten.

ss/cs 1613 newbie
1967 mustang

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They added pants and neck collar for SS 9.99 or quicker......But if you want to test at a local Bracket Race you have to have gloves too.

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Were you running in Stock, or S/S 20 years ago? In my 2004 edition NHRA rulebook, for Stock, under section there is no mention of SFI jackets being required. Bracket cars running 11.99 & quicker have required the jackets for decades, but not for low 10 second Stockers until the past few years.The classes I mentioned were Stockers, NOT S/S cars.(or bracket cars.) However,for the past few years, my M/S Mustang is required to have a roll bar, 5 point harness, and I need to wear the SFI jacket when I run in Stock at a divisional or Nat`l event, but as a bracket car, none of that would be required.

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Rory In stock seat belts only required after 11.49.
Roll bar required for 11.49 or faster . Unless your car is 1.66 under the index you can use the belts that came in it . Look in the NHRA archives under Stock Nov. 2007 . Mike

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Hey Fast Johnny...the rule also says no shorts underneath the pants along with tank tops etc.....so you better return em..Joe

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Yes. Any car that ran in the All-Motor Class in the NHRA Compact Series, front-wheel drive, can run in the class.

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Tommy -- I'll buy you some new glasses......and maybe some Ariscept .

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my though is that this is add to the paragraph
bob lasko
1134
SS/Cs

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Thanks Bob, I am on the waiting list for the new ford cast iron heads (NASCAR approval). I was hoping
it was still cast iron only. I would like to stay away from aluminum heads...they can suck up some serious $$$

ss/cs1613

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Well, I wasn`t running my own Stocker in 1990, but I knew plenty who did, I don`t think any of them even owned a SFI jacket until a few years ago. I always seem to remember Jim Waldo running his Fairlane and Mustang with a T shirt on. Anybody else recall this, or am I crazy?

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Mike, the general regs may say that, but the Stock section of my NHRA rule book clearly states, under roll bars, "Mandatory in A/S thru M/S,A/SA thru M/SA, and all convertibles....". It doesn`t make any execptions for cars slower than 11.49. And unfortunately, I`m nowhere close to 1.66 under!:eek:

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I think(but not absolutley sure) that Bobby D. had only a T-shirt on the "first Stocker in the nine's" run..

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If I can't wear shorts under the 32A1 pants, what can I wear under them? Do they make fire retardent thongs?LOL!!!

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Any pictures? :) :) :)

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Did anyone catch the wording in the "Windshield, Windows" and "Helmet" sections regarding blinders? It appears that any sort of helmet mounted blinders are OK as long as the driver thinks it's safe? Wasn't there some restriction on blinders attached to the helmet last year? I don't use one so I guess I don't have a dog in the fight. But the wording in these rules seems odd in that it seems to leave the decision about the safety of the blinder soley up to the driver. It's sort of like it's indemnifying NHRA from any incidents related to not being able to see where you're going with a cardboard box over your head as long as you think it's safe.

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Maby the Ariscept, glasses are good, Just need to remember to use them! .....Tom

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still cant run a racing seat in stock?

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I see they dropped the 2500 pound rule in SS/GT. Can you run an automatic on a stick only engine in GT?

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common sense lost again. they don't want your legs to get burned, however being ejected due to teh failure of a 40 year old seat s ok. Morons

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The failure of a 40 year old seat would probably be at the mounting positions.I'd say that the car owner,not NHRA would be the moron,for not checking the mounting bolts and possibly reinforcing them if they were suspect.NHRA has a 2 year rule on belts,a little overkill maybe,but if anybody waqs hurt due to a belt problem this board would be alive with criticism of NHRA because their belt rule didn't protect the driver.What ever happened to personal responsibility and looking out for yourself when you assemble/race a car?


Ed F.

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Ed, I seem to remember having to rebuild your drivers seat a E-town before making a run. ....Kinda looked like a refugee from a Jerry Stine car !!! LOL. ... I gotta agree with Mickey, the allowance of a true racing type seat in cars going over 130 mph,or below, is way overdue.....I'm all for trying to keep Stock simple,but let's face it , we've got disc brakes,wheelie bars,ect. this one is makes sense for safety. .....Some of the bucket seats in newer cars weigh almost 75#, and are bolted into sheetmetal with a couple of 5/16 bolts, Not something you want to brake loose in the event of a hi speed crash. .........Tom

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Tom;
It was a seat back issue not a seat mount issue.Did you notice I bolted the tracks in a locked position?
I also used over sized bolts through the floor,with over sized washers.And I am switching seats over the winter.
It would take about maybe an hour to redrill the holes and use larger bolts.I'm not the biggest fan of NHRA but they are not our grannies.Spend more time and thought looking at your car for ways to improve your safety,maybe half as much as figuring out ways to go faster.(Not directed at anyone in particular).


Ed

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Ed, no one said make race seats mandatory. But for NHRA to prohibit me from making my race car safer may come back and bite them in the ***. Ask Woodro about stock seats in a stocker, and that was a relatively new car. When the seats in alot of these 40 year old cars were designed, the industry standards were much lower and they were designed for highway speeds. Use a little common sense here, its not anyone is under the impression these are cars straight off the showroom floor. Even SCCA allows a race seat in every class, even in SOLO low speed events.

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Chad;
I wasn't aware that Woodrow had a problem with the factory seat during his mishap.What was the problem?

Ed

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Ed what happens when you have a car that has studs in it?

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If the studs are floor mounted remove the seat and whiz off the stud,redrill to larger size and redrill holes in track.If the studs are on the tracks do the same as if they're floor mounted.It ain't rocket science.


Ed

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I don't want to speak for Woodro, but suffice it to say the race seats would be better